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Dirt Worshipper posted:Anyone willing to part with about a platoon of unpainted flames of war infantry? I'm looking to add to my bolt action / chain of command 15mm collection. I have a bunch of painted and unpainted germans that I could give away, but yeah. They're germans. 
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DJ Dizzy posted:1st Lieutenant: regular; rifle 75 If I were you I'd ditch a rifle squad and use those points to turn the HMG into a regular one and change a Rifle Squad into a regular squad with rifles. The reason for this is that the inexperienced squads tend to die rather quickly and especialy with the HMG they won't hit the large side of a barn if it's behind some cover and at long range etc.
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Right, for Bolt Action I now have a box of plastic grenadiers, a command blister, a 81mm mortar blister, a medium machine gun blister and a Leig 18 75mm artillery gun. I know nothing about Bolt action. The Hitlers buzzsaw rule makes it seem like LMGs in squads are a good idea, but I don't know if this is true. Can I get a proper 1000 point army list out of this? Thread veterans, what do you recommend?
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moths posted:Is Warlord doing any plastic early war tank kits? I'm not aware of any super early war ones
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Thundercloud posted:Right, for Bolt Action I now have a box of plastic grenadiers, a command blister, a 81mm mortar blister, a medium machine gun blister and a Leig 18 75mm artillery gun. It seems like this is what you gots: quote:Second Lieutenant (page: 20) Veteran 78 I made everything veteran and gave the squads AT grenades to take up points; you could make them regular and remove grenades to save some. Veterans are definitely mathematically better. You only have 8 order dice there - I would suggest: SdKfz 234/2 'Puma' Heavy Armoured Car Armies of Germany - page: 62 (160 pts) - plastic Panzer 38(t) Armies of Germany - page: 45 (162 pts at veteran) - resin Panzer II Ausf L 'Luchs' Armies of Germany - page: 45 (138 pts veteran) - resin Panzer III Ausf L, M Armies of Germany - page: 46 (195 pts regular) - resin Hetzer - (210 pts regular) - resin Marder III Ausf H, M Armies of Germany - page: 55 (165 pts regular) - resin Marder II Armies of Germany - page: 55 (160 pts regular) - resin Any of these things will make a nice addition. If you did the puma, you could then add a sniper team and round out 1000 pts with 10 order dice.
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So I guess Warlord Games really is serious about being the major 28mm historical miniatures company? Just shortly after they made a deal with Pro Gloria to take care of that range, they are to become the exclusive retailer worldwide for Wargames Factory. If I understand the newsletter correctly, WGF will now concentrate on making kits, and sell them through WG. It kind of makes sense though. WG are much better at marketing, so that helps WGF, and at the same time WG now cover a lot more periods and ranges.
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Im thinking of getting 3 armies at 500 points each to help introduce new players to the game. Is that a decent amount to learn the game at?
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I think that should be fine. I would run smaller squads for more order dice and obviously don't use big vehicles
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Yeap, I'm going to do something similar by building a couple balanced 1k armies that would legitimately fight, with some standard options, so that I won't have to track down opponents who are necessarily invested in buying and building a bunch of tanks and mans. It's time to put my money where my mouth is on this one. I guess the D-Day kit would be a good start... At least for Germans, squads would regularly split up into an assault element and cover element anyway. The rules aren't meant to necessarily represent standard issue TOE. They are also meant to represent what happens when a platoon of 50 is down to half strength, the new replacements are at least a day away and you have to fight anyway... maybe in a situation where you have a cache of weapons and ammo that wasn't necessarily issued to you because that whole other platoon was wiped out to a man yesterday. If you want to play fresh platoons with only the standard issue gear, you can, I guess. I'm not. The Sturmpioniere box comes with equal parts MP40s (which my osprey book about pionieres says they were rarely issued, even the NCO's were issued K98s) and looted PPSh, which they definitely weren't issued! Cyberpunkey Monkey fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Aug 8, 2015 |
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Dirt Worshipper posted:I think that should be fine. I would run smaller squads for more order dice and obviously don't use big vehicles Dis is exactly what I was gonna post
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Aug 8, 2015 00:45
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Here's an example of a quick 500pt game. Historical accuracy fans avert your eyes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK-kAYvun7U
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Dirt Worshipper posted:Here's an example of a quick 500pt game. Historical accuracy fans avert your eyes I'm way more interested in Bolt Action now that I know you can field cavalry. 
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Those build an army offers on the WG website, is it an infantry box, or just a full squad of infantry?
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DJ Dizzy posted:Those build an army offers on the WG website, is it an infantry box, or just a full squad of infantry? It's a full squad. I bought the Italian bersaglieri one and it's four boxes of 10 dudes, not four boxes of 21 dudes. Still a huge value.
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Aug 8, 2015 18:32
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muggins posted:It's a full squad. I bought the Italian bersaglieri one and it's four boxes of 10 dudes, not four boxes of 21 dudes. Still a huge value. So the russkie would be 2 boxes of 12 dudes
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DJ Dizzy posted:So the russkie would be 2 boxes of 12 dudes It looks like for that one it's two plastic boxes. So something like 70-80 dudes that you can equip with mostly rifles but some special weapons.
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muggins posted:It looks like for that one it's two plastic boxes. So something like 70-80 dudes that you can equip with mostly rifles but some special weapons. Confirm it is 80 dudes for two plastic boxes of Russians. I now want to get on the cavalry bandwagon as well. Is there anything that stops you fielding multiple platoons in a game, seeing as a platoon is a HQ plus two infantry squads, plus options? Also where are the rules for Goliaths? I've got the main rulebook and Armies of Germany, but the Pioneer choice is very limited in that.
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I apologize for bringing this up again, but for everyone interested in picking up Bolt Action: Check out the Bolt Action.net 2.0 Season Rules modifications They make the game better. They piss of Alessio Calvatore. It's the best of both worlds.
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Dirt Worshipper posted:I apologize for bringing this up again, but for everyone interested in picking up Bolt Action: Those sweet, sweet Calvatore tears. Anyway, speaking of cavalry, here's a shameless plug for my clubmate who is busy converting Soviet cavalry and making lists for them for Chain of Command: http://krigetkommer.weebly.com/red-cavalry-ww2 According to his research, it was quite common for the cavalry to operate in a kind of pincer move. One section would dismount and attack the enemy head on by foot, to tie them down and hold their attention, and then have the other section attack them by horse, hopefully with a flank or rear charge. So the cavalry list he built for CoC has the sections come dismounted as standard, and then you can buy them horses for extra support points. I also started converting some Perry Miniatures Afrikakorps, to use as Gebirgsjäger. An unsuspected side effect is that they make my Warlord Games Germans look like gorillas!  Overall they're growing on me, and I like that they will stick out a lot from the rest of the troops. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Aug 8, 2015 |
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Thundercloud posted:Confirm it is 80 dudes for two plastic boxes of Russians. You can take more than one reinforced platoon. I believe the dot net rules limit you to only platoons. Re: Goliath I believe they're in the faq extra units PDF on WLG website. Edit: I am painting British Perrys right now and I have DAK too and they're amazing. Love it. Putting together some Brit Sikhs for a buddy too.
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muggins posted:You can take more than one reinforced platoon. I believe the dot net rules limit you to only platoons. Basically the thing about multi platoons is that MSU is king in bolt action due to the activation system so they want to limit that.
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Dirt Worshipper posted:I apologize for bringing this up again, but for everyone interested in picking up Bolt Action: This is how I'm doing it, mostly because It's loving mindblowing that transports can't shoot after you dismount the squad because every goddamn transport was also intended to offer extra fire support for the squad it transported and had crew dedicated to that purpose. I don't know how I like the LMG points reduction and RoF boost and flamer nerf, etc. because I haven't spent a lot of time with the system. That thing about the transports bugged me. muggins posted:You can take more than one reinforced platoon. I believe the dot net rules limit you to only platoons. http://www.warlordgames.com/downloads/pdf/BA-additional-units.pdf Cyberpunkey Monkey fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Aug 8, 2015 |
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osirisisdead posted:This is how I'm doing it, mostly because It's loving mindblowing that transports can't shoot after you dismount the squad because every goddamn transport was also intended to offer extra fire support for the squad it transported and had crew dedicated to that purpose. I don't know how I like the LMG points reduction and RoF boost and flamer nerf, etc. because I haven't spent a lot of time with the system. That thing about the transports bugged me. Definitely try both to see for yourself. The main complaint from people about vanilla bolt action is that (a) buying LMG's isn't cost effective, so people used to run rifle spam (b) MMG's weren't cost effective.
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OK guys, 750 point army list consisting of pretty much everything I've got. 1st Lieutenant Veteran 90 1st Squad: Heer Grenadier Squad Training NCO & 9 men Regular 145 armed with: 6 Rifles, 1 Light Machine Gun, 3 Assault Rifles, 2 Panzerfausts 2nd Squad: Heer Grenadier Squad Training NCO & 9 men Regular 145 armed with: 6 Rifles, 1 Light Machine Gun, 3 Assault Rifles, 2 Panzerfausts Support Units 3rd Squad: Heer Veteran Grenadier Infantry Squad Training NCO & 9 men Veteran 190 armed with: 3 Rifles, 1 Light Machine Gun, 6 Assault Rifles, 2 Panzerfausts Other Support Medic Veteran 30 MMG Regular 50 Medium Mortar Regular 50 Light Artillery Regular 50 750 exactly 8 order dice Medic goes with the Veterans, all squads have a couple of panzerfausts to upset tanks. Standard squads throw out 16 dice, Vet squad 19. I've put together the support teams, based all the plastic bodies but not put the weapons on yet. I'll be doing that tomorrow and undercoating them. Does this list look ok? For the next 250 points I was thinking of adding the Last Levy box with this 2nd platoon. HQ Training Points 2nd Lieutenant Regular 50 1st Squad: Volkssturm Squad Training NCO & 4 men Inexperienced 58 armed with: 4 Rifles, 1 Submachine Gun, 4 Panzerfausts 2nd Squad NCO & 7 men Inexperienced 77 armed with: 6 Rifles, 2 Submachine Guns, 3 Panzerfausts Support Units 3rd Squad NCO & 4 men Inexperienced 63 armed with: 4 Rifles, 1 Submachine Gun, 4 Panzerfausts Which doesn't match the elite super nazis that a lot of players go for, but which would give me lots more anti-tank and some expendable chaff. Or should I go for a tank and AT gun? Thoughts?
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Cool. I dig it. That Last Levy box is awesome. You're right. That's entirely different from the veteran Panzergrenadier Pioniers that I'm building for ze Germans.Dirt Worshipper posted:Definitely try both to see for yourself. The main complaint from people about vanilla bolt action is that Thinking about it, since it has to have a loader and a shooter, it basically only gets 6 inches of range on two dice and one extra die from shooting for most LMG's... and then 6 inches of range on three dice and -1 die of shooting for 20 points compared to the 5 point assault rifles... So I definitely like these changes... But I'll probably start playing Chain of Command sooner rather than later as the *cough* "reviews" that I've read make it seem like refined extra
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Panzeh posted:Basically the thing about multi platoons is that MSU is king in bolt action due to the activation system so they want to limit that. I don't know if MSU is definitely king since it's a lot easier to make small units run away. It does make it possible to take multiple air observers and stuff and really gently caress with people tho. quote:Definitely try both to see for yourself. The main complaint from people about vanilla bolt action is that The dot net format definitely helps the game. I would say that the only real broken things are flamethrower, but they don't totally 40k break the game. LMGs are really helped with the format and become ubiquitous like they were during the war. For noobies I wanted so say that BA is definitely not riddled with problems - there are a few annoyances that are fixed with the dot net format and could be fixed with a new version. muggins fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Aug 9, 2015 |
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osirisisdead posted:Cool. I dig it. That Last Levy box is awesome. You're right. That's entirely different from the veteran Panzergrenadier Pioniers that I'm building for ze Germans. Yeah, coc solves these issues by saying "here's an actual platoon, as it was deployed, that is what you'll play". By removing most of the list building, you get away from a lot of these discussion, but you lose some of the gameyness of the game, so to say. I can totally see the appeal of listbuilding in games like BA and FoW, but it also has some clear negative effects, especially if you want to play somewhat historical forces. So I think it's a good idea to try both and see which one you like more. You might even like bt of them, but in different ways. But yeah, I'm playing Germans in CoC most of the time, and it is strange to hear about weak LMGs. In CoC your LMG has more firepower than all the rest of the riflemen in the squad.
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Brigade Games sells CoC I think. I would definitely still give BA a fair shot. I read through the CoC rules and while I'd like to try it at a con it kinda turned me off learning it as the command dice mechanic seemed very very random and the game seemed somewhat complicated. I know they write cool themey games I just don't want to barrel through by myself
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I'm not sure how lethal everything is or how random the command dice ends up being compared to randomly drawing dice out of a bag. I'm specifically looking for different games to put together that kind of good-to-go-convention-demo, or saturday-afternoon-at-the-FLGS-demo as a matter of course rather than thinking about tournament-style competition-gaming. I have other games if I want to do that. I don't expect every gamer in the world to suddenly want to spend a couple hundred bucks on plastic tanks and soldier dollies, but I do expect every gamer, or at least the vast majority of them, to be alright spending a couple hours rolling some dice and playing with my tanks and mans.
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muggins posted:I don't know if MSU is definitely king since it's a lot easier to make small units run away. It does make it possible to take multiple air observers and stuff and really gently caress with people tho. It's almost always better to get a whole new squad than buy more rifles for an existing squad if at all possible because each squad brings with it a command die and getting more activations and consecutive activations is a lot better than morale benefits. It's a similar issue in almost every alternating activation game(SW Armada is notable for this). muggins posted:Brigade Games sells CoC I think. I would definitely still give BA a fair shot. I read through the CoC rules and while I'd like to try it at a con it kinda turned me off learning it as the command dice mechanic seemed very very random and the game seemed somewhat complicated. I know they write cool themey games I just don't want to barrel through by myself It's not too bad- you're almost always gonna get a chance to do something. The swinginess of having a bunch of 6s is a bit of a problem but the command dice mechanic usually works, especially if you use a force with good leadership. I like the machine guns way better in CoC than BA, as well as the force selection. Panzeh fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Aug 9, 2015 |
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Panzeh posted:It's almost always better to get a whole new squad than buy more rifles for an existing squad if at all possible because each squad brings with it a command die and getting more activations and consecutive activations is a lot better than morale benefits. It's a similar issue in almost every alternating activation game(SW Armada is notable for this). I don't see many lists with a ton of activation dice doing amazing - mostly it is much better to have veterans, and probably five squads of them. You don't really need an extra platoon to do that.
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OK guys, how about this list? HQ Training Points 1st Lieutenant Regular 75 1st Squad: Heer Grenadier Squad Training NCO & 5 men Regular 105 armed with: 2 Rifles, 1 Light Machine Gun, 3 Assault Rifles, 2 Panzerfausts 2nd Squad: Heer Grenadier Squad Training NCO & 5 men Regular 105 armed with: 2 Rifles, 1 Light Machine Gun, 3 Assault Rifles, 2 Panzerfausts Support Units 3rd Squad: Heer Veteran Grenadier Infantry Squad Training NCO & 5 men Veteran 120 armed with: 6 Assault Rifles and AT grenades 4th Squad: Heer Grenadier Squad Training NCO & 5 men Regular 78 armed with: 4 Rifles, 2 Submachine Guns and AT grenades 5th Squad: Heer Grenadier Squad Training NCO & 5 men Regular 87 armed with: 3 Rifles, 3 Assault Rifles and AT grenades Other Support Medic Veteran 30 MMG Regular 50 Medium Mortar Regular 50 Light Artillery Regular 50 Total Points 750 9 Activations, 4 Panzerfaust and 3 squads with AT grenades, 2 squads configured for assault (6 Vets, assault rifles for all, AT grenades, and 6 Regular, 2 SMGs, AT grenades). Smaller squads, some more specialised, with two fire support squads with Assault rifles, Panzerfausts and an LMG - 12 dice of shooting, 9 dice in assault), a Vet assault squad (12 dice shooting, 12 dice assault) etc. Thoughts?
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Ive come up with two 500 point lists for introducing new people to the game 2nd Lieutenant 50 5 Heer Infantry Squad: LMG 70 5 Heer Infantry Squad: LMG 70 5 Veteran Heer Grenadier Squad: assault rifle (NCO); 4× assault rifle; panzerfaust 95 Medium Machine Gun Team: regular 50 50mm PAK 38: regular 75 Sd.Kfz 251/1 Hanomag: regular 89 499 points And 2nd Lieutenant 35 • 1 Infantry 7 Free Rifle Squad: anti-tank grenades 5 Guards Squad: panzerfaust 55 5 Guards Squad: panzerfaust 55 5 Veteran Squad: 5× SMG 80 DShK Heavy Machine Gun Team: regular 56 ZIS-3 Divisional Gun: regular 80 SU-76: regular; light howitzer/medium anti-tank gun (front arc) 125 493 points Would this work?
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Thundercloud posted:
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Hey duders, I interviewed the Warlord Games guys and Skirmish Sangin guys at GenCon. Check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSYwyb62w2M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UaXTZdNKhs
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muggins posted:Hey duders, I interviewed the Warlord Games guys and Skirmish Sangin guys at GenCon. Check it out: Not bad. Real advice. Pick up a hand held mic and you would get much better audio with less crowd noise. Better yet get a separate audio set up and the quality will be even better.
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Indolent Bastard posted:Not bad. Real advice. Pick up a hand held mic and you would get much better audio with less crowd noise. Better yet get a separate audio set up and the quality will be even better. Yeah, thanks. This is the second year we've done it and we'll have a mic for next year. We're mostly just gamer dudes so I don't see us having like, BoW type audio setup but we hope to make it much better next year.
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muggins posted:Yeah, thanks. This is the second year we've done it and we'll have a mic for next year. We're mostly just gamer dudes so I don't see us having like, BoW type audio setup but we hope to make it much better next year. I knew you were just some regular guys, but I figured I'd just offer some simple advice on how to up your game. Make no mistake, I like your stuff and just want to see you do better.
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Indolent Bastard posted:I knew you were just some regular guys, but I figured I'd just offer some simple advice on how to up your game. Make no mistake, I like your stuff and just want to see you do better. Thanks man, we'll be doing more next year =D Hopefully more historicals will hit GenCon.
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muggins posted:Thanks man, we'll be doing more next year =D Hopefully more historicals will hit GenCon. It's really easy to build home made pop stoppers and wind screens that get good results.
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