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Left Ventricle posted:And it sounds like rear end. I was going to say it has the exhaust note equivalent of the noise a teenager makes when they're told to clean their room.
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14 INCH SLIT posted:I actually told my friend who was harassing me about doing an engine swap as soon as possible that I'd make sure it was a loving duke just to piss them off. If it runs good, then I can start doing things to the Civic without worrying about getting to work. 3rd gen camaro's came with the ever famous 350 SBC. You could throw a rock and hit one of those, swap that in. MrChips posted:I was going to say it has the exhaust note equivalent of the noise a teenager makes when they're told to clean their room. I've never heard an engine go "BUT MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!"
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Aug 19, 2015 04:55
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14 INCH SLIT posted:Unless it's difficult fitting a small block chevy into a car that didn't come off the line with one It's a nastier swap than you'd think. I wouldn't do another one.
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Aug 19, 2015 04:57
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14 INCH SLIT posted:
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You Am I posted:Rotary this but unironically yes
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Aug 19, 2015 05:09
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Tommychu posted:It's a nastier swap than you'd think. I wouldn't do another one. In all seriousness just for the sake of discussion, considering the vehicle is smog exempt and I happened to find a carbureted 350, and I've got a spot to do it on, what sort of nasty areas? Like I'm assuming different motor mounts, but is the entire subframe perhaps different? I know there's raw power and economy advantages to doing a full EFI swap, hands down, I'm talking lowest common demoninator what issues did you run into? I did hear specifically from someone that swapping EFI, the easiest option is obviously finding specifically the same car but the V8 in the same year, like for some reason the gods decided that just this one time they'd favor you with a rear end collision total out part out that hasn't gotten anything stolen from it. Now granted, this is realistically an incredible pipe dream for now and honestly I just care about the T Tops, but figured I'd ask since you said nastier than expected which was surprising to me since I sarcastically said what I did because it seems there's a kit to swap a chevy engine into every single car made ready to go off the shelf.
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Aug 19, 2015 05:26
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MrChips posted:I was going to say it has the exhaust note equivalent of the noise a teenager makes when they're told to clean their room. I'd rather listen to the tractory blap of a 60 degree GM V6 than the adenoidal whine of the Nissan 3.5/3.7 
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Aug 19, 2015 05:33
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14 INCH SLIT posted:In all seriousness just for the sake of discussion, considering the vehicle is smog exempt and I happened to find a carbureted 350, and I've got a spot to do it on, what sort of nasty areas? Like I'm assuming different motor mounts, but is the entire subframe perhaps different? I know there's raw power and economy advantages to doing a full EFI swap, hands down, I'm talking lowest common demoninator what issues did you run into? Leave the motor as it is, paint the Camaro black, and put some bitchin' flames up the side of it. Bonus points for chrome Cragars on it.
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MustardFacial posted:3rd gen camaro's came with the ever famous 350 SBC. You could throw a rock and hit one of those, swap that in. Not sure if this car is auto or 5-speed, but 350 was automatic only, because the  WORLD CLASS-T5 couldn't handle the pavement-wrinkling torque of an '80s 350. Also, the 350 cars develop a crack in the metal right at the upper corners of the door windows because the wet noodly chassis flexes and twists like a motherfucker unless you add subframe connectors to it. This may not be an issue with the T-Top cars - they just leak instead.That said, mine has a 383 and weld-in SFCs  e: if a swap is really in the cards, donors are cheap enough that your best bet is to find a junk V8 car you can pull all of the bits you need from. Engine, trans, driveshaft, differential, electronics (depending on year), etc. I've never looked into it myself, but I feel like there'd be a lot of poo poo to track down independently without a donor car to just yank everything off of. Black88GTA fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Aug 19, 2015 |
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Aug 19, 2015 05:51
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 \ "Take this camaro, but beware, it's behind two disable cars...covered in spiders."  \ "Ooh, that's bad." \ "But the title is legit!" \ "That's good."  \ "The title is also covered in spiders."
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Aug 19, 2015 06:02
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Attempt to put a Chrysler 2.7L into it because it's the suffering you want and the suffering you deserve
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Aug 19, 2015 06:30
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I'm pretty sure that if you pull a four or six cylinder engine from a Camaro, and don't replace it with a small block of some flavor, the very fabric of space-time might be damaged. Comedy option: LG4
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MrYenko posted:I'm pretty sure that if you pull a four or six cylinder engine from a Camaro, and don't replace it with a small block of some flavor, the very fabric of space-time might be damaged. The comedy option is a biturbo motor.
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I've always wanted to do a rotary f-body. If you don't I'm happy to be the first. (That I know of)
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14 INCH SLIT posted:In all seriousness just for the sake of discussion, considering the vehicle is smog exempt and I happened to find a carbureted 350, and I've got a spot to do it on, what sort of nasty areas? Like I'm assuming different motor mounts, but is the entire subframe perhaps different? I know there's raw power and economy advantages to doing a full EFI swap, hands down, I'm talking lowest common demoninator what issues did you run into? It's loving bizarre, but one of the toughest SBC swaps is into a car that had the SBC as a factory option. I did this swap in... 2007? So it's not exactly fresh in my mind. FI 2.8 to Gbody carb SBC, slushboxes all around. From what I recall: That torque arm thing that ties the diff to the transmission is the main issue. The transmission is a primary rear end locating member on these stupid cars (because sweet burnouts). You need the transmission out of a V8 F-car, because the existing transmission has the FWD bell pattern but you still need somewhere for the big stupid arm to bolt up. You can swap the tailshaft/slip yoke housing onto a non-F transmission under some circumstances, but poo poo gets weird elsewhere if you do. Motor mount clamshells will bolt right up, the bosses are pre-drilled on the subframe for all 3 engines. But the engine side of the mount is F-specific, and if you try to use anything else the engine sits about 2.5" too high meaning the big stupid arm won't bolt up and your trans dipstick has nowhere to exist. Latter doesn't apply to manuals but the former is still a pretty big deal. FI-Carb means you have to pull the sender and gently caress around. No access hole, and the lines run very close to the body on these so making one is extremely risky. But the fuel tank sits on top of the rear axle, so you get to drop that completely (and all those arms are usually bolt-snappin' seized) and then getting it back in again is an exercise in gently caress JUST KILL ME NOW. I had to run all new fuel line, the mechanical fuel pump needs a bigger line since it sucks across the length of the car rather than pushing from the tank side as in an efi car. And just hundreds of frustrating little things that took between hours and weeks to hunt down. And cost-wise, well let's just say that had I started with a V8 car and spent the same amount of money (even factoring in that my v6 camaro was also free, and a v8 car wouldn't have been free) it would have been a low 13 second car. Turbo Fondant fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Aug 19, 2015 |
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Okay, so from the sound of it if I managed to find the V8 engine as well as transmission, it should be mostly straightforward and the issues are if you simply try to make do with a different trans?
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14 INCH SLIT posted:Okay, so from the sound of it if I managed to find the V8 engine as well as transmission, it should be mostly straightforward and the issues are if you simply try to make do with a different trans? More or less. If you found an SBC thirdgen at the junkyard and tore all the necessary poo poo off it (trans, motor mounts, accessory brackets, possibly driveshaft and shifter if the trans you get isn't the same series as what's in the car, fuel sender/lines from a carb car, radiator and radiator brackets, trans cooler lines, manifolds, y-pipe, gauge cluster, etc) it wouldn't be an entirely bad time. Finding a cheap/decent one that came with a v8 would still be cheaper than the swap though. Turbo Fondant fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Aug 19, 2015 |
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I really like the hopped up 3.4 option since it seems you have to gently caress with less systems to do that? Motor in motor out?
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Hell, leave the 2.8 in there and get a couple of Mitsu TE04H's off Dodge Turbovans, make some pipe fitting log manifolds, rig up a 12:1 FMU and there you go. Two turbos on a V6, in an '80s RWD coupe. It's not a blow-through carb setup but it's still pretty close to a Biturbo. I've even got a TE04 I could send you so you really only need one more. Turbo Fondant fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Aug 19, 2015 |
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I assume a 4.3 swap has most of the same bellhousing problems as any of the SBC V8s, but it would be really cool to get that nasty lump under the hood with a 3800 SII blower on top of it. Last night I suggested 14 just go whole hog and slap an Oldsmobile Diesel into it.
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I dunno, I think an HT4100 would be great. There are plenty of donors in the san jose yards I visited a few weeks ago...
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Seat Safety Switch posted:I assume a 4.3 swap has most of the same bellhousing problems as any of the SBC V8s, but it would be really cool to get that nasty lump under the hood with a 3800 SII blower on top of it. Or an 8-6-4
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Honestly, anything with a 6-71 will do...
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McTinkerson posted:Honestly, anything with a 6-71 will do... An actual 4-53 engine would fit if you cut a hole in the hood... 
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honestly if that were mine i'd just chuck an l67 in it, bolts right up and makes more power than the 305
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gently caress I hate the 2.8, I had an 85 firebird a few years back and could never get the drat thing to run right, think I made a thread about it here too. Was going to swap in a sbc but got poor and sold it for $300. I loving miss that car. Had the rear luvers too. When the opportunity arises to buy another one I'm gonna mad max the gently caress out of it.
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Tommychu posted:More or less. If you found an SBC thirdgen at the junkyard and tore all the necessary poo poo off it (trans, motor mounts, accessory brackets, possibly driveshaft and shifter if the trans you get isn't the same series as what's in the car, fuel sender/lines from a carb car, radiator and radiator brackets, trans cooler lines, manifolds, y-pipe, gauge cluster, etc) it wouldn't be an entirely bad time. Finding a cheap/decent one that came with a v8 would still be cheaper than the swap though.
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I don't think a 2.8 V6 3rd gen F-Body has ever given this many people blueballs at once. Is this what it's like going to that strip club your friend's Grandma works at?
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get a surplus huey engine and bolt it to a powerglide i mean it might stick out the nose by like 6 feet but yknow. sacrifices.
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Tommychu posted:Hell, leave the 2.8 in there and get a couple of Mitsu TE04H's off Dodge Turbovans, make some pipe fitting log manifolds, rig up a 12:1 FMU and there you go. Two turbos on a V6, in an '80s RWD coupe. It's not a blow-through carb setup but it's still pretty close to a Biturbo. This is the answer
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You Am I posted:This is the answer So say we all!
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Tommychu posted:Hell, leave the 2.8 in there and get a couple of Mitsu TE04H's off Dodge Turbovans, make some pipe fitting log manifolds, rig up a 12:1 FMU and there you go. Two turbos on a V6, in an '80s RWD coupe. It's not a blow-through carb setup but it's still pretty close to a Biturbo. For the record this is like me saying I'm in the mood for Friday the 13th and you suggest we compromise with Ernest Goes To Camp
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14 INCH SLIT posted:For the record this is like me saying I'm in the mood for Friday the 13th and you suggest we compromise with Ernest Goes To Camp Twin turbo V6 third gen with T-tops doesn't sound like compromise to me. If it helps, it will probably break about as often as a good Biturbo, which is to say it will never move again.
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bandman posted:Twin turbo V6 third gen with T-tops doesn't sound like compromise to me. If it helps, it will probably break about as often as a good Biturbo, which is to say it will never move again. First off, off the shelf parts availability. Second off, the Gotta Have It factor.
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I vote 350. It would be about the most *normal* car project 14" has ever undertaken - it's an engine that that chassis rolled out of the factory carrying in at least some cases - but will still provide abundant
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ExecuDork posted:I vote 350. It would be about the most *normal* car project 14" has ever undertaken - it's an engine that that chassis rolled out of the factory carrying in at least some cases - but will still provide abundant He could at least do something interesting and try to adapt an AMC or BPO drivetrain or something. But isn't the point of this car to have an alternate way to get to work?
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This must be the first Camaro ever powered by an air-cooled VW engine. Then we will have come full-circle.
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I vote for a crowdfunded motor because I'll bet that AI has at least 10 SBCs in the collective goon parts hoard. The entertainment provided by this thread has to be worth something.
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TWSS posted:I vote for a crowdfunded motor because I'll bet that AI has at least 10 SBCs in the collective goon parts hoard. The entertainment provided by this thread has to be worth something. I do have a 327 in storage that is a total POS.
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