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bawk
Mar 31, 2013

Raenir K. Artemi posted:

get drunk at 4 am and commentate on it like the one unedited video from the mario 64 feet thread

It's pretty much a guarantee that as long as there's beer involved, Vicas will comment on anything

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Violet_Sky
Dec 5, 2011



Fun Shoe
I think Chansey/Lucky is supposed to be an ultra-rare pokemon. It's Japanese name certainly thinks so.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Violet_Sky posted:

I think Chansey/Lucky is supposed to be an ultra-rare pokemon. It's Japanese name certainly thinks so.

That bastard certainly is ultra-rare. It has a very small chance of ever showing up and is a squirrelly critter that will run away at the drop of a hat. It's a usable if specialized critter for now, but wait till GSC gets a crack at it.

BlackPersona
Oct 21, 2012


Cythereal posted:

That bastard certainly is ultra-rare. It has a very small chance of ever showing up and is a squirrelly critter that will run away at the drop of a hat.

It's all about chance, see? :downsrim:

Shiki Dan
Oct 27, 2010

If ya can move ya toes ya back's fine

SonicRulez posted:

Nintendo had to be full of pure spite and hatred for us when they pulled that one.

No, all of their spite and hatred was reserved entirely with Feebas.

FractalSandwich
Apr 25, 2010

Shiki Dan posted:

No, all of their spite and hatred was reserved entirely with Feebas.
There's so much inscrutable hidden poo poo in Pokemon, especially in gen 3. I kind of hate it, but I also secretly love it.

Vertigo Ambrosia
May 26, 2004
Heretic, please.

Cheez posted:

To be fair, everyone in the game seems to refer to "poison and sleep techniques" rather than saying they're a flat out a poison gym. I don't know if it's different in the original, but at least for this version I believe every single pokemon that gets used in this gym is one that makes use of sleep and/or poison, so...

The idea of gyms based on techniques or certain characterisitics of pokemon instead of types does sound kinda interesting; a gym that abuses status effects, one with fast pokemon or all tanks or something. It'd probably have to be post-game since it's a bit more complicated than 'sweep gym with one pokemon that's a type counter', but it could be fun.

Spatula City
Oct 21, 2010

LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING

Shiki Dan posted:

No, all of their spite and hatred was reserved entirely with Feebas.

hahahaha yeah, I remember doing the Feebas thing. ONCE. just once. it's awful. You have to be meticulous, and you probably need to do it in one sitting. It will take several hours unless you're lucky. I was so proud when I found one that I caught a whole box-full.

I think it's one of the most dick moves Nintendo has ever pulled with a Pokemon game. Generally the games are designed to be super-user-friendly, so that sticks out even more by comparison.

bawk
Mar 31, 2013

What's wrong with feebas?

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Feebas is great. Unlike Magikarp, it can actually learn TM moves like Ice Beam. Too bad its evolution is monotype instead of Water/Dragon or something, though.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Feebas can only be found on one route in Gen 3.

In only 6 fishing spots out of like 400 tiles of water.

Which are determined by what the trendy phrase in Dewford is.

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

Waffleman_ posted:

Feebas can only be found on one route in Gen 3.

In only 6 fishing spots out of like 400 tiles of water.

Which are determined by what the trendy phrase in Dewford is.

also there's no hint Feebas is in the game except that missing spot in your pokedex.

Admiral H. Curtiss
May 11, 2010

I think there are a bunch of people who can create trailing images. I know some who could do this as if they were just going out for a stroll.

Waffleman_ posted:

Which are determined by what the trendy phrase in Dewford is.

Worse! It's randomly generated, and that phrase just happens to be one of the inputs. You can't set it to a known phrase and get a known set of spots.

It also changed each day, when the in-game clock ticks over from 23:59 to 00:00.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Waffleman_ posted:

Feebas can only be found on one route in Gen 3.

In only 6 fishing spots out of like 400 tiles of water.

Which are determined by what the trendy phrase in Dewford is.

Oh, right. And to get it to evolve, it had to be a certain nature so that it could max out Beauty, right?

I remember it took me forever to find one, and when I did, I caught about 30 of the things just to be safe.

At least Gen V onwards has made it less annoying to deal with. You could even catch wild Milotic in B/W.

Cheez
Apr 29, 2013

Someone doesn't like a shitty gimmick I like?

:siren:
TIME FOR ME TO WHINE ABOUT IT!
:siren:
I never knew catching feebas was a big deal. I just kinda got a lot of them and thought they were the new game's idea of magikarps. I knew about the Milotic thing but I never understood the mechanic behind them, so I left it be.

Mordaedil
Oct 25, 2007

Oh wow, cool. Good job.
So?
Grimey Drawer

Waffleman_ posted:

Feebas can only be found on one route in Gen 3.

In only 6 fishing spots out of like 400 tiles of water.

Which are determined by what the trendy phrase in Dewford is.

Sudddenly the manga makes a whole lot more sense.

notoriousman
Nov 18, 2007

I'M AWARE I'M
AN IDIOT

Admiral H. Curtiss posted:

Worse! It's randomly generated, and that phrase just happens to be one of the inputs. You can't set it to a known phrase and get a known set of spots.

It also changed each day, when the in-game clock ticks over from 23:59 to 00:00.
Also also, you're not guaranteed to encounter one even if the tile is one that will generate a Feebas, so you'd have to check each spot multiple times to be certain.

Violet_Sky
Dec 5, 2011



Fun Shoe

Mordaedil posted:

Sudddenly the manga makes a whole lot more sense.

There was a Feebas in the manga?

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Violet_Sky posted:

There was a Feebas in the manga?

In Pokemon Special? Yeah, Ruby caught one named Mimi, sorta against his will. It had a neat character arc before evolving into Milotic.

ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

I'm so happy ORAS made it so that you could catch a Feebas on any water tile in that route and also changed the contest stat thing so that you aren't arbitrarily stopped from boosting Beauty after x number of poke blocks.

Roro
Oct 9, 2012

HOO'S HEAD GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND?

ChaosArgate posted:

I'm so happy ORAS made it so that you could catch a Feebas on any water tile in that route and also changed the contest stat thing so that you aren't arbitrarily stopped from boosting Beauty after x number of poke blocks.

Even better, if you fish underneath the bridge just past the weather institute you will only catch Feebas, so you can grind for the best nature. It's a shame they didn't include the Prism Scale to have the trade-based evolution route too but I guess that would've detracted from the revamped Contests.

Vertigo Ambrosia
May 26, 2004
Heretic, please.
This is probably a super stupid question...but what is ORAS?

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

Vertigo Ambrosia posted:

This is probably a super stupid question...but what is ORAS?

Omega Ruby, Alpha Sapphire. Which are the remakes of Ruby and Sapphire.

bawk
Mar 31, 2013

Quite possibly the best games, too. Love those versions

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

Update 19: Route Route's Routes



Just before we head off for FUN adventure, let's trade.





Yeah, it's wonderful. Let's move!

Oh yeah, we also evolve stuff, no time, this update's long enough!



Maybe he'll have something more useful than an Itemfinder.



: If you caught 50 kinds of POKEMON, I'm supposed to give you an EXP.ALL!



Pfft, easy.

: Great! You have caught 85 kinds of POKEMON! Congratulations! Here you go!



: EXP.ALL gives EXP points to all the POKEMON with you, even if they don't fight.

: It does, however, reduce the amount of EXP for each POKEMON.

: If you don't need it, you should store it via PC.

"toward the sea."



Woah, spoilers man.



A, uh, lonely island. Heh. Heheheh.



Let's head out onto Route 15 and test this new item out.



Your lead gains half the exp the defeated Pokemon gives out.

"49 EXP. Points!"

The remaining half is then split between your entire team.



Every single team member.



And it happens every time you beat a Pokemon.



One down...



So yeah, we do NOT need this. It's a terrible item that doesn't even deserve its PC spot.

"POKEMON!"

Will other birds come if I whistle? I hope so.



#083: Farfetch'd



Indeed, the idea of you winning is as likely as a bird with a leek in its mouth.

"good, aren't you?"

Who's up for fried pidgeon?



I punched a bird in the face.



That's what the Rock moves are for.

"got in a trade!"

Oh



how



interesting.

"alone!"

How many Meowth do you own?



Me neither, so I think I know what to do.

"my POKEMON!"

So there's still a number of trainers left. Like a LOT. Doing them one by one like this is going to take forever. There's a reason why this update took a while, because I just went ehhhhhhhhhhhh and lost motivation. Not burning out, just looking at 384 images and not really wanting to sift through them all. So I'll just edit this poo poo further, otherwise I'll go (even more) insane.





Well that was fun. We're done with Route 15. Apart from...



One last trainer.



Metronome (Yubi o Furu: Wag Finger) is a very interesting move. It randomly selects any move in the entire game. Except for Struggle. Here, it selected Dizzy Punch (Piyo Piyo Panchi: Chirp Chirp Punch), a pretty strong Normal move exclusive to Kangaskhan, who has better options. It doesn't have a chance to inflict Confusion, not in this gen.



Oh really, me too! Heh. I'm lying...



And this is our reward. Why are there some many bad TMs???



Oh yeah, still loads of trainers left. Skiiiiiiip.



Battling low leveled crap where they introduce nothing new is a bigger drag.



The grass contains the same encounters as the last route. And the water does have fishing encounters programmed... you just can't reach them.



Uhuh.



I have all the HMs. Go me.



So we have this maze. It's another place full of trainers who have nothing interesting about them. I mean sure, my Pokemon are getting levels, but I'm about 30 minutes into recording and I'm just pressing 'A' again and again. This is a real low point of the game.



Also the people in this maze are just rude as heck. It's not particularly challenging to get through though.



Go in a kinda spiral pattern, going clockwise and snag one hidden item.



Then two, two hidden items. Ah, ah, ah!



Miss, I am 11. So yes.



Anyway, we're cutting through to this grass because there's a new encounter here.



Surprise, it's that thing we saw earlier. Since you can't get it via trade, you can find it here instead. Cool.



My co-commentator gets one free nickname.



Oh yeah, Swords Dance (Tsurugi no Mai) raises Attack by 2 stages. It's good, but physical attackers tend to rely on Slash crits, which ignore positive boosts. It'll get better.



Now it's onward to Route 13 and Silence Bridge.



Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh



Oh, something new to talk about. Wing Attack (Tsubasa de Utsu: Wing Strike) is a pretty good- 35BP? Whaaaaaat? That's as powerful as Peck. It becomes better next gen. Man, I need to stop saying that.



Encounters are the same as the last route.

"catch!"

Nooooo let me get the item.



Though this does give me a good chance to actually talk about Magikarp. It's bad, obviously and it learns 2 moves. Tackle and, of course, Splash (Haneru: Hop). It's Japanese name explains why other Pokemon that aren't Water types can learn Splash. Magikarp is also not the weakest Pokemon, as far as base stats. Caterpie, Metapod, Weedle and Kakuna are all weaker than it and are about as useful. Magikarp only sucks because of its terrible 10 Attack. It'll get better. Eventually.

"they're so weak!"

You need a good rod for that, or even a super one.



Neat.



Let's have a breather from battles.



Give me the good stuff.



: Fishing is a way of life! From the seas to rivers, go out and land the big one!



Let's see what we get.



That'll do nicely.



Let's see what else there is.



#117: Seadra



It's a cheeky little git, using this Smokescreen (Enmaku) to lower my accuracy by one stage. Pah, I say. Pah!



Easy enough. Well, with enough Ultra Balls, it's inevitable.



Still love this. Oh yeah, it's our last team member. It's perfect, exactly when I need it at just the right level. But because we caught Daffy, it's gone to the box. Eh, we won't need it for the moment.



At least there's not many trainers left.



#101: Electrode



That's just rude and something I haven't been doing all game.



And hey, we're back here again. Time to move this great lug.



Same as before. Good thing I kept the Poke Flute around.



But since we already caught one, we don't need another.



Maybe we'll see it again. To Vermilion!



Here's our final team member. It has some horrible moves. Let's fix that.



Some cool TMs taught. Now let's head back.



Now with a Super Rod, Good Rod and Surf, we can head to previous routes and catch all manners of Pokemon. We'll be doing that a couple updates from now.



But hey, while we're here...



From the highest Speed, to the lowest. It's like poetry.



Now north of the Snorlax is where we could have gone after Lavender Town, but we're here now, so it's fine. ALRIGHT?



This does mean their Pokemon are in the low 20s, but I've just cut down swathes of high 20s crap. So I barely notice.



Before, items like this taunted me, BUT NO MORE.



Anyway, we've finally made it. Free at last.

"in POKEMON TOWER."

: You can have this TM. I don't need it anymore...



: TM39 is a move called SWIFT. It's very accurate, so use it during battles you can't afford to lose.



Swift (Supīdo Sutā: Speed Star) completely ignores the accuracy check, meaning it'll always hit. It's an okay move and Aquamemnon will get it because... might as well? Whatever, let's look through some binoculars.



Wonderful.



And we've gone through four routes, around thirty trainers, to arrive at depression city. So let's head to... that place.



Hrmmmm.

Crosspeice fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Dec 15, 2015

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

Side Notes 14: Leader Differences (Erika and Koga)

We're getting quite a few badges, so let's have another comparison. These should be pretty interesting.

Erika

The snoozing flower princess. Will this battle be a pain in the grass? Let's find out.





There's a couple of immediate things, firstly, everything's been bumped up a few levels between versions. But it also means she forgot to use her stones. Maybe that's a good thing, but it is a little disappointing. Oh well, but at least Tangela has some actual STAB. And Weepinbell won't Wrap you to death, so maybe it is for the better. Since you get Ice Beam, Doduo, Growlithe, Vulpix and even Flareon if you're desperate, you shouldn't have difficulty taking her down.

In the anime, Erika appears in the 26th episode, just after Ash catches Primeape. He's denied entry for being a boy, so he dresses up and becomes Ashley to challenge the leader, who is also a perfume maker. (Brock is somehow there too, but how else would they include him in the story?) They battle, but Team Rocket cause the place to catch on fire, so when Ash saves Erika's Gloom, he's given his fourth and final pity badge of the region. That was one fun 30 minutes.

Koga

Our fifth (or sixth) adversary shouldn't be too tough due to Poison being a joke in... the series. But maybe he might catch you by surprise. Like a... samurai, or something.





So this a very big change. Sure, his RB team wasn't amazingly varied, but it was a lot better then his Yellow team. He trades a Ground weakness for a Fire and Flying one instead, ones you should easily have by this point, your team is more or less done, right? Well, there's also the weird level jump, still not sure why it's there. At least adding some Psychic moves to the mix does add something, since otherwise it's a load of Poison and Normal moves. But really, this whole Gym is weird and more Psychic related stuff in this generation isn't hugely appreciated. But since the bugs aren't too tough, maybe adding some levels gives them some kind of bite.

Koga appeared in the 32nd episode of the anime, his Gym appearing way, WAY before the actual city did. There were a lot of traps and Ash did battle his Venonat turned Venomoth, but the battle was interrupted by Team Rocket (man, how do they come up with such unique and interesting storytelling such as this?), so the rematch pitched Golbat against Charmander. Because of evolving hax, Charmeleon pulled out the win and Ash got his second legit badge from battling. Nice one.

Well that was two trainers. Now we're gonna beat up 35 criminals. One at a time. Across 11 floors. Yayyyyyyyy.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
As a side note, I think Arbok's patterns changing is something that's only been shown in the manga. Agatha was able to change her Arbok's patterns to keep her strategies versatile.

If there is another Kanto remake, I want to see six Arbok variations.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Farfetch'd is my favorite Pokemon. I know he's crap, but there's something about the guy that I love.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
Oh, and Ash is denied entry for disliking perfume, incidentally. But then he disguises himself as a girl instead of another boy because... Japan, I guess.

Zonekeeper
Oct 27, 2007



Hobgoblin2099 posted:

Oh, and Ash is denied entry for disliking perfume, incidentally. But then he disguises himself as a girl instead of another boy because... Japan, I guess.

You'd figure there was a league rule against banning a legitimate challenger from a gym for something so petty, but then again a large portion of the gym leaders were shirking their duties in that series. Misty's sisters were straight up giving away cascade badges since they weren't all that good at battling, Sabrina was turning people into dolls and apparently nobody noticed, Koga filled his gym with deathtraps that had nothing to do with battle ability, Blaine closed up his gym due to a flood of tourists yet was still able to award badges somehow, and Giovanni was using crimes against nature against challengers.

The only gym leaders that were doing their job properly were Brock and Surge. I'm beginning to think that the reason Gary only had 3 of the in-game badges (Boulder, Cascade, Rainbow) is that nobody in their right mind would have challenged the gyms Ash did. Or all the other challengers got maimed/dollified.

Rabbi Raccoon
Mar 31, 2009

I stabbed you dude!
Aren't Misty and her sisters co-leaders, more or less? I don't remember much but I do remember something about that.

Zonekeeper
Oct 27, 2007



Rabbi Raccoon posted:

Aren't Misty and her sisters co-leaders, more or less? I don't remember much but I do remember something about that.

Misty left the gym before the series started, but she stepped in and revealed she was the fourth leader of the Gym the whole time (because apparently nothing prevents a gym from having multiple leaders) to prevent her sisters from just giving the badge to Ash without a fight. I guess "Gym Leader" status doesn't go away once awarded (which kind of explains the Blaine thing later on, I guess).

There's certainly enough evidence that the Kanto League is lax about enforcing any kind of order in the gyms, so who knows.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Zonekeeper posted:

There's certainly enough evidence that the Kanto League is lax about enforcing any kind of order in the gyms, so who knows.

I figure it's a "If no one complains to us, we leave them to their job" sort of thing. Didn't watch more than a few episodes of the anime as a kid, but in the games I've played alone almost every gym leader is a lunatic or at least severely eccentric. To say nothing of the Elite Four.

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007

Would you want to be the low-level bureaucrat sent to tell Sabrina to shape up?

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Byzantine posted:

Would you want to be the low-level bureaucrat sent to tell Sabrina to shape up?

I would love to see an episode about it, that's for sure. :allears:

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Hobgoblin2099 posted:

I would love to see an episode about it, that's for sure. :allears:

And her peer, the local Yakuza boss who used a genetically engineered monster in powered armor against challengers.

Zonekeeper
Oct 27, 2007



Byzantine posted:

Would you want to be the low-level bureaucrat sent to tell Sabrina to shape up?

I'd rather do that than deal with the complaints that some weird pokemon was severely injuring trainers' pokemon coming out of the Viridian Gym. The league probably knew drat well what Giovanni was up to in his spare time and looked the other way to keep the mob off their backs.

The league probably threw a party when the Gym blew up and Giovanni resigned.

Fake edit: drat it.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Zonekeeper posted:

You'd figure there was a league rule against banning a legitimate challenger from a gym for something so petty, but then again a large portion of the gym leaders were shirking their duties in that series. Misty's sisters were straight up giving away cascade badges since they weren't all that good at battling, Sabrina was turning people into dolls and apparently nobody noticed, Koga filled his gym with deathtraps that had nothing to do with battle ability, Blaine closed up his gym due to a flood of tourists yet was still able to award badges somehow, and Giovanni was using crimes against nature against challengers.

I just want to point out that this one happens in the games all the goddamn time. And every new game only seems to increase the sheer danger of Gyms even further, though it might've hit a peak with Skyla's first Gym. Not that the second was much better, mind you.

Being a Pokemon Trainer is a hard and dangerous job. and not only because they're constantly dealing with monsters with mid to extreme elemental powers.

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.
In the aforementioned Manga they just go full force and Lt. Surge, Sabrina and Koga are elites in Team Rocket. It's in fact mentioned that they are HORRIBLE Gym Leaders who haven't actually been doing their job. Blaine was a former member of the organization who went "gently caress this" after the Mewtwo incident. Eventually the League changes the rules that state that gaining 8 badges allows a trainer to bypass the preliminary tournament that makes up the pokemon league, meaning all the gym leaders are much busier.



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Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Blaze Dragon posted:

I just want to point out that this one happens in the games all the goddamn time. And every new game only seems to increase the sheer danger of Gyms even further, though it might've hit a peak with Skyla's first Gym. Not that the second was much better, mind you.



As a note, this segment occurs after Skyla pushes him off of a tower.

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