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Rarity posted:So here's a track of all the claims we've had regarding items I'm sort of confirmed by the fact that no one else claims to have given Kash the harpoon that he flipped with.
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Lumpen posted:I agree that TMM's claim should be totally dismissed and he should be immediately lynched, there's no way he's a Cop and his claimed targets make no sense at all. There's nothing more obvious than a Watcher who unambiguously sees one visitor to the nightkill. Keene's dead, only TMM visited, case closed. Nothing else can explain it that I can think of. This only makes me want to vote TM less ugh
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Rarity posted:This only makes me want to vote TM less ugh Eh. I think both Scumpen and Tumpen would jump on the TMM wagon, so it doesn't surprise me.
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Sep 1, 2015 18:22
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Once again, I had no hammer, needed no hammer, and my PM specifically and clearly said that I found a board and nails and instructions for using them, and specifically said that I had received a One-Shot Roleblock. I assume that QPQ got the very same message and will corroborate. Also I used these boards and nails and it demonstrably worked, since ljtri claimed being blocked before I claimed blocking, and we are not in cahoots. Given those facts, these statements from ljtrigirl and Mithross really need some explanation: ljtrigirl posted:It said if you put a hammer with some boards, you get a roleblock at night. That's why I said something about finding the other part or not being able to use it or something. ljtrigirl posted:The hammer said it coupled with boards and nails to make a roleblock. ljtrigirl posted:I'm content with a hammer and my harpoon. Someone else can take the coin. Mithross posted:##grab coin ljtrigirl posted:The harpoon gives a Vigilante Kill. ljtrigirl posted:
Mithross posted:My role works the same, although I give out the hammers. contrast with Mithross posted:TMM visited keane last night. He was the only one. That is what using the coin on keane told me. Also to mull over. ljtrigirl posted:gently caress it. Not sure what else is in this roleset, so I'll make sure this gets out. Mithross posted:Hello everyone, I am alive, and caught up. I would have posted sooner, but my hotel eats wireless signal. Just... eats it. I feel fishy about all this, it is not adding up but I haven't put the pieces together into a hypothesis yet. Mithross, QPQ, ljtrigir, comment. Clear this up.
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Sep 1, 2015 18:23
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trigirl's comment about Mithross winking implies she's telling the truth and this would be a really weird lie to go to the effort of breadcrumbing. TM today, Lumpen tomorrow
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Sep 1, 2015 18:31
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ljtrigirl and Mithross angling together against QPQ, both with "handing things out" claims, but ljtrigirl's handout to TMM didn't happen, and she recovered the N2 one because it was on the nightkill... Mithross self-contradicting the details of his handout (also recovered on the same nightkill)... I am trying to figure out what would explain motivations for these moves, but it looks weirdly coordinated, and I really think QPQ is also Town. If they expected QPQ to use the RB N2 instead of passing it... still working out a theory and how connects to TMM, who also spent 2 days gunning hard on QPQ, and was the supposed recipient of the N1 harpoon pass... which how did that get messed up? What would be the response to a surprise diversion... thinking...
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Sep 1, 2015 18:33
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Lumpen- I don't get what you want me to clear up. I picked up the hammer, which was useless without boards. I kind of assumed Mitross knew what to do with it or also gave out boards or something. I passed the hammer last night. Not saying to who.
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Sep 1, 2015 18:34
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Like, both of the items were dropped in the thread. I really don't get where you're going with this.
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Sep 1, 2015 18:36
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ljtrigirl posted:Lumpen- I don't get what you want me to clear up. I picked up the hammer, which was useless without boards. I kind of assumed Mitross knew what to do with it or also gave out boards or something. I passed the hammer last night. Not saying to who.
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Sep 1, 2015 18:37
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ljtrigirl posted:Like, both of the items were dropped in the thread. I really don't get where you're going with this.
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Sep 1, 2015 18:40
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Pinterest Mom posted:You've never played in a game with a ninja?
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Sep 1, 2015 18:42
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Lumpen posted:You are explicitly claiming that your PM told you that it was useless without boards? You are claiming it was not explicitly characterized as a One-Shot Roleblock? Be clear. She's been pretty clear, that's exactly what she is claiming.
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Sep 1, 2015 18:45
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Do we have a loving cop in this game or what? I don't believe TMM at all. Not gonna put him at -1 this early, though.
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Sep 1, 2015 18:48
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Lumpen posted:That didn't occur to me. Not likely though. Why would you say that? I've never played in a big ecco game before but those bs roles are apparently right up her alley.
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Sep 1, 2015 18:51
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Lumpen posted:You are explicitly claiming that your PM told you that it was useless without boards? You are claiming it was not explicitly characterized as a One-Shot Roleblock? Be clear. Dude. I've said it like 3 times. It said that it needed boards but would be a one shot roleblock if combined with boards. Nothing about nails. Maybe yours was already nailed? And, passing is a free action.
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Sep 1, 2015 18:57
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Godammit QPQ where are you?
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Sep 1, 2015 18:59
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Lumpen posted:I Roleblocked you! My PM was about boards and nails and was explicitly called a 1-Shot Roleblock, no Hammer was mentioned. This does not square with the posting of you and Mithross! Are you lying now or were you lying then or are you claiming I am lying? Specify for the record. I'm not saying anyone is lying! I was blocked. You're claiming to have blocked me with a board and nails. I picked up a hammer that said that it would make a roleblock when combined with a board. Like, I just don't get what you're not getting here.
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Sep 1, 2015 18:59
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Or why you're still voting TMM if you had this massive OMG moment.
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Sep 1, 2015 18:59
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##unvote TMM out of Rarity-range until I get answers. ljtrigirl and Mithross are not being truthful, and seem to be out to set up TMM, QPQ somehow with the items they're handing out and picking up. ljtrigirl posted:What points that QPQ made did you agree with? ljtrigirl posted:Lumpen- Please explain the QPQ top town read because I'm not seeing it. ljtrigirl posted:I feel like whoever killed Ninth should probably explain why. ljtrigirl posted:gently caress it. ljtrigirl posted:gently caress it. Not sure what else is in this roleset, so I'll make sure this gets out. ljtrigirl posted:I'll now say this explicitly in case people are terrible at reading between the lines. Mithross posted:TMM visited keane last night. He was the only one. That is what using the coin on keane told me. Pinterest Mom posted:You've never played in a game with a ninja?
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Sep 1, 2015 19:02
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you see I would have a problem with them setting up TMM, but it doesn't really matter since he's the most obvious scum ever so yeah
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Sep 1, 2015 19:04
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Dude. Step 1: I give TMM a harpoon N1. Step 2: N0 and N1, there's only one death by poisoning. Step 3: N2, Ninth flips as stabbed to death. At that point, there was only 1 person that could have gotten and used my harpoon, TMM. Then diq a) claims he got the harpoon and b) pointed back to mentions he left D2 after he got it. Clearly either diq stole it or there's a bus driver that switched TMM and diq. So, I decide to use my VK tonight and see what the flavor reads. BUT THEN YOU loving BLOCK ME SO I CAN'T. Like, I'm pretty sure your scum at this point with these illogical derailments, but if you're town, you need to get your poo poo together.
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Sep 1, 2015 19:10
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I didn't finish my last post completely, I missed quoting one or two additional times when ljtrigirl pressed me to explain my read on QPQ, and also ljtrigirl's declaration that QPQ was supposed to get killed last night (to recover Mithross's other passed item?) They would have thought that QPQ still had the boards and nails and he hadn't claimed anything about it at that point, so killing him last night would allow the info exposing the contradictions in the "hammer" posts to die with him.
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Sep 1, 2015 19:19
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Lumpen, why aren't you voting for one of trigirl/Mithross if you're convinced they've set you up?
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Sep 1, 2015 19:21
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ljtrigirl posted:Dude. It's possible someone else gives out harpoons too
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Sep 1, 2015 19:22
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THEY SET ME UP MAN THEYRE ALL IN ON IT HIM  HER  HER  THE WHOLE drat LOT OF EM
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It's not exactly a who's who of the towniest players on TMM right now, claim or otherwise. I really do wish we had some confirmation as to what a harpoon kill flavor was. Stabbed is too vague and not quite in line with the flavor I would expect but not far enough off to feel comfortable calling it either way. If there exists the real possibility this is lylo setting then you have to be at least wary of a fakeclaim setting up a bad lynch for the win. I think Lumpen is right to step back, but I don't really agree with his theory because it assumes too many specifics about the setup. I could easily see Mithross just lying about the coin but there isn't as much reason to distrust ljtrigirl.
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Rarity posted:Lumpen, why aren't you voting for one of trigirl/Mithross if you're convinced they've set you up? I see a contradiction from my point of view, based on the PM I got and the fact that I actually uses the action and was told it was successful, versus the claims in the thread that directly contradict what I know. I want that at least clarified before the lynch. Is there any possible way this could this be LYLO right now?
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Ljtrigirl since you were blocked, you still have the harpoon nightvig you picked up from kashuno in hand, right? And you claim you passed the "hammer" (roleblock)... I there is a mislynch and 2 nightkills and a harpoon vig, we have 10 people left. If there are 6 Scum the game would be over. If there are 5 Scum, the numbers would be tied... But if Rarity still has the pearl and it's -1 to lynch her, the Scum could do it at that point even with 4 Scum. And if holding it makes her a FreeLynch like it did SirSam then 4 Scum could win the game tomorrow. This could definitely be LYLO.
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Sep 1, 2015 19:45
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If Rarity get nightkilled, does the Pearl drop? If the Pearl gets grabbed by Scum for the doublevote that's also grim scenario.
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Sep 1, 2015 19:49
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Rarity posted:On using the pearl I was given a few options to choose the nature of my destiny (Knowledge, Power, Wealth, Love, Sacrifice). I chose Knowledge and can now ask Ecco one question each night. I plan to use this power to make myself a de facto cop Rarity, what is your win condition if you voluntarily dropped the Pearl at this point?
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I still need town to win, I just have an extra condition in still needing the pearl or else I lose while town still wins. If I drop the pearl now I lose
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I am a roleblock-enabler (that's the name I was given for my role). I own, and give out each night, an assortment of carpentry materials. I targeted QPQ night 1, and Kashuno night 2, and gave them materials. I do not know why Kashuno only dropped a hammer, that "has to be combined with boards". Nothing about my role suggests that you need a hammer to use the items I give out. As for using the coin on Keane, I breadcrumbed it in advance: Mithross posted:Keane, as a ghost, what are your thoughts on magick? I was told the coin was magickal, and that I could use it on another player, but not myself. And Diqnol's flip should help confirm that that was a breadcrumb, and not me being weird. He was an enchantress, and had a chest full of coins. Presumably he was the one who handed them out.
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Lumpen posted:##unvote TMM out of Rarity-range until I get answers. You claim I'm not being truthful, but then when you quote me, you quote the post where I say something wasn't right and I was confused by it, and agree that something isn't right.
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Mithross posted:I am a roleblock-enabler (that's the name I was given for my role). I own, and give out each night, an assortment of carpentry materials. I targeted QPQ night 1, and Kashuno night 2, and gave them materials. You're being vague about what you give, and what you know about what you give. That is suspicious. You did speak up and specifically say "I give out hammers." on D2, but you didn't say anything to correct or contradict ljtrigirl suggesting she couldn't use it or had to combine it with something. You also haven't said one way or another whether you are claiming it is more than one part. Do you claim that your role specifies giving out different parts? Just "materials"? When you targeted someone at night, did you expect them to be able to use a RoleBlock the next night, or not? Are you claiming your role PM was unclear about this somehow? Are you further claiming that you didn't bother to seek clarification about it? ljtrigirl and I are contradicting, and I note that you are not clearing it up with your response. You said: Mithross posted:I am a roleblock-enabler (that's the name I was given for my role). I own, and give out each night, an assortment of carpentry materials. I targeted QPQ night 1, and Kashuno night 2, and gave them materials. Mithross posted:It's possible he was given stuff in the night, as a confirmed town. I know I tried to. In fact, I'm pretty sure I know what the hammer is. Mithross posted:My role works the same, although I give out the hammers. Mithross posted:Also, I give out the boards. I gave it to QPQ n1, but I chose kashuno n2, which is why I thought the hammer was the pick up for it. This makes me confused. Preview edit: Mithross posted:You claim I'm not being truthful, but then when you quote me, you quote the post where I say something wasn't right and I was confused by it, and agree that something isn't right. So if you agree something isn't right, what's your explanation? What alignment-based conclusions does this "confusion" suggest to you?
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I gave kashuno a roleblock set, and then he died and dropped a hammer. I assumed that the roleblock I gave was simplified to hammer for the thread. Until today, when ljtrigirl said you needed boards with the hammer, I continued to assume that. The flavor I received when giving out items talked specifically about giving boards and nails, and I see now my assumption was wrong. To be as clear as possible: I give out boards and nails, but I thought it included other carpentry supplies, and was simplified as hammer for the thread to pick up. I see today I was wrong, I just give out the supplies. My pm does say that I give out a one shot roleblock though. It doesn't say anything about my target needing a tool to use that roleblock.
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As for being a lurker, I was at PAX. Let's see you go to a four day con full of everything you enjoy in life, then play mafia instead. I'm sorry my mafia game suffered, but I would do it again in a heartbeat.
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Sep 1, 2015 22:21
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How does my breadcrumb not make sense? Should I have come right out and said "I'm targeting Keane with this thing I found!" That is not a good plan with a busdriver. The coin was magickal, and I asked him about magick in a nonsensical way. Had diqnol not flipped, I admit I would have had no real way to show it as a breadcrumb, that is true. I got lucky there.
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Mithross posted:As for being a lurker, I was at PAX. Let's see you go to a four day con full of everything you enjoy in life, then play mafia instead. I'm sorry my mafia game suffered, but I would do it again in a heartbeat. Its called replacing out
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Mithross posted:As for being a lurker, I was at PAX. Let's see you go to a four day con full of everything you enjoy in life, then play mafia instead. I'm sorry my mafia game suffered, but I would do it again in a heartbeat. itt mithross admits to loving germs
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HiipFire posted:Its called replacing out It was four days in a much longer game. I managed a couple posts, I did my night actions. I even found scum. By luck, yes, but I found scum.
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