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FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
Any recommendations for a smooth, matte-finish bedliner-like product? I'm going to POR15 the lower 8" or so on my XJ's body, and I'm looking for a matte black spray- or roll-on paint to finish it with. Obviously it'll have to be somewhat durable to protect against scratches, chips, etc.

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Sandbagger SA
Aug 12, 2003

Giant Thighs.
Painted Threads.
Just Off the Highway.
I've used herculiner for my jeep tub in the past and it works pretty well for light duty.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
Do they make an untextured version? Or does it get the texture from whatever you apply it with?

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.

mod sassinator posted:

Also some mention of the Grand Wagoneer coming back as a challenger for Land Rovers. Maybe it will be a bigger fancier Grand Cherokee?

I thought this was what the Overland Grand Cherokee was supposed to be?

REDjackeT
Sep 2, 2009

Cat Hatter posted:

I thought this was what the Overland Summit Grand Cherokee was supposed to be?

I imagine they could figure out a reason to charge 65k+ base on an even nicer, non-performance GC-ish vehicle.

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass
The Commander had a 3rd row seat option (even though it was insanely small), so maybe that's what the Grand Wagoneer will offer over the Grand Cherokee.

BrokenKnucklez
Apr 22, 2008

by zen death robot

mod sassinator posted:

The Commander had a 3rd row seat option (even though it was insanely small), so maybe that's what the Grand Wagoneer will offer over the Grand Cherokee.

I'm disappointed at what the Commander turned out to be. I think its an excellent looking Jeep, but the ones I test drove never really jumped out at me. The 4.7 felt under powered (the v6 was terrible) and the hemi was decent, but the transmission always felt like it was hunting for a gear. I also didn't care for the interior.

Not like I am a huge snob, but the LR3 did everything the Commander did but better, for me at least.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

BrokenKnucklez posted:

Not like I am a huge snob, but the LR3 did everything the Commander did but better, for me at least.

No doubt the fit and finish is better, but it also breaks down better and does a better job of leaving you with no place local to get parts.

And yeah, I still have them. But I'm a realist. That why I have two.

BrokenKnucklez
Apr 22, 2008

by zen death robot

Motronic posted:

No doubt the fit and finish is better, but it also breaks down better and does a better job of leaving you with no place local to get parts.

And yeah, I still have them. But I'm a realist. That why I have two.

The LR3 has done well. 1 relay failure (thanks FoMoCo) and air suspension failure which was rectified with coil conversion.

Air suspension is for the birds, static coils for lyfe.

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

Motronic posted:

No doubt the fit and finish is better, but it also breaks down better and does a better job of leaving you with no place local to get parts.

And yeah, I still have them. But I'm a realist. That why I have two.

So you can have two broken at the same time? :v:

Keldoclock
Jan 5, 2014

by zen death robot
Hey fellas! It's finally out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OobLb1McxnI

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.

holy loving poo poo that was actually easier than I thought.

no network filtering.
completely unauthenticated dbus listener - on all interfaces.
Completely unsigned, unvalidated firmware updates for the "airgapped" microcontroller that can talk to the CAN bus.

Jesus. loving. Christ.

This is like leaving your front door open in detroit with a sign out front saying you just won the lottery and are unarmed.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Security by obscurity: the sign is written in Klingon.

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass
The sad thing is I bet every manufacturer has some gaping holes like that too. Hopefully they're scrambling to patch them after the bad publicity here.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Glad my JK was a stripper without any of that connectivity stuff. Hell, my other car doesn't even have a computer.

EightBit
Jan 7, 2006
I spent money on this line of text just to make the "Stupid Newbie" go away.

kastein posted:

holy loving poo poo that was actually easier than I thought.

no network filtering.
completely unauthenticated dbus listener - on all interfaces.
Completely unsigned, unvalidated firmware updates for the "airgapped" microcontroller that can talk to the CAN bus.

Jesus. loving. Christ.

This is like leaving your front door open in detroit with a sign out front saying you just won the lottery and are unarmed.

The downside of this is easy hacking, the upside is easy homebrew firmware, if you are into that kind of thing.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
The other downside is that none of the drivetrain features you'd want to tinker with are unencrypted. That's why it's taking companies like Superchips and Diablo 2-3 years to actually release tunes. They didn't crack the 2012 Wrangler programming until late 2013 iirc.

EightBit
Jan 7, 2006
I spent money on this line of text just to make the "Stupid Newbie" go away.

Godholio posted:

The other downside is that none of the drivetrain features you'd want to tinker with are unencrypted. That's why it's taking companies like Superchips and Diablo 2-3 years to actually release tunes. They didn't crack the 2012 Wrangler programming until late 2013 iirc.

I was thinking more along the lines of putting in linux and being able to get more features out of whatever built-in navigation/media device it has. I haven't used one that wasn't retarded.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
That's a big part of why I won't pay for one, but yeah that makes sense.

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
The Great Twist

REDjackeT posted:

I imagine they could figure out a reason to charge 65k+ base on an even nicer, non-performance GC-ish vehicle.

They're not that far off as it is. My hometown used to be filled with Escalades and now it's all GCs. Whoever at FCA decided to make a stock blacked out GC and sell it to white people with a base price of $50k is a goddamn genius.

Sandbagger SA
Aug 12, 2003

Giant Thighs.
Painted Threads.
Just Off the Highway.

FreelanceSocialist posted:

Do they make an untextured version? Or does it get the texture from whatever you apply it with?

It comes with grit mixed in.

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004

Godholio posted:

The other downside is that none of the drivetrain features you'd want to tinker with are unencrypted. That's why it's taking companies like Superchips and Diablo 2-3 years to actually release tunes. They didn't crack the 2012 Wrangler programming until late 2013 iirc.

And they don't expect to crack the 2015 anytime soon :(

Sandbagger SA
Aug 12, 2003

Giant Thighs.
Painted Threads.
Just Off the Highway.


IT'S HAPPENING.

Now I just need to work out time to get some muscle over here to help me bench press it up to my engine.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
Remember that you need to swap out your pilot bearing for an FC69907, and you may or may not need to change your clutch disc out, I forget.

The trans will be way easier to get into the jeep if you take the shift lever out of the tower, BTW. I used to unbolt the tower from the trans but it's easier to just release the spring hold down cap under the rubber boot.

Sandbagger SA
Aug 12, 2003

Giant Thighs.
Painted Threads.
Just Off the Highway.

kastein posted:

Remember that you need to swap out your pilot bearing for an FC69907, and you may or may not need to change your clutch disc out, I forget.

The trans will be way easier to get into the jeep if you take the shift lever out of the tower, BTW. I used to unbolt the tower from the trans but it's easier to just release the spring hold down cap under the rubber boot.

Yup! I'm all ready with the new pilot bearing. RA suggested a pilot bearing puller tool so I ordered one of those too.

Thanks for suggesting the parts I needed months ago too. I did the throwout bearing (it was turbofucked).

I just put the shift lever on the tower to keep junk out of the trans while it's not being installed (I plan on using the method above to remove it during installation). My clutch was working well but- Would you just suggest I buy another one for an AX15 in case?

Also this probably sounds dumb but - alignment dowels/ torque spec for the bell housing: I've been leafing through the Chrysler FSM and couldn't find anything on reinstalling (I'm probably just dense). What's your input here?

EDIT:

Also one of Greg's friends has a 3.55 dana 30 for free.99 so I'll be putting that in the front of the 92 Cherokee. It just needs brakes and steering stuff. which is still good on the XJ.

Sandbagger SA fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Aug 31, 2015

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
Sounds good, hopefully it's one from an XJ because if it's from a YJ it won't fit.

Everything else sounds good. I forget the torque specs for the BH but gudentight has only failed me 50% of the time while torquing to spec has failed 66% of the time. Make sure to wire brush the back of the block clean as well as the front of the bellhousing, check them for straightness with a straightedge or something preferably.

The clutch may be fine - I'd probably leave it alone if it is because I'm cheap. Others may recommend replacement since you have to take it off to do the pilot bearing anyways. I looked it up and I was wrong, the BA-10/5 and AX15 are both 1.125" 10 spline input shaft, so it will work with your trans.

Pilot bearing pullers sometimes work, sometimes don't, worst case, use the grease/bread/newspaper and a dowel trick to hydraulically force the old one out. Make sure to use an alignment tool to put the clutch back in, I have one for an AX15 with a 3/4" pilot tip around here somewhere you can borrow if you don't have one.

Sandbagger SA
Aug 12, 2003

Giant Thighs.
Painted Threads.
Just Off the Highway.

kastein posted:


Make sure to use an alignment tool to put the clutch back in, I have one for an AX15 with a 3/4" pilot tip around here somewhere you can borrow if you don't have one.

I just pulled the trigger on an AX15 clutch kit that comes with an alignment tool.

If the old one is still good, I'll keep it as a spare since I now have two vehicles with AX15s.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
What year did you get it for? Hopefully 92/93 or so and later, 91/92 or so and earlier use the smaller pilot tip you're converting away from and the tool will only serve to waste your time.

There are way too many stupid year splits on AX15s for poo poo like this, I wish they'd just done the pilot tip and internal to external slave changeover at the same time.

Sandbagger SA
Aug 12, 2003

Giant Thighs.
Painted Threads.
Just Off the Highway.

kastein posted:

What year did you get it for? Hopefully 92/93 or so and later, 91/92 or so and earlier use the smaller pilot tip you're converting away from and the tool will only serve to waste your time.

There are way too many stupid year splits on AX15s for poo poo like this, I wish they'd just done the pilot tip and internal to external slave changeover at the same time.

I'm great at ordering the wrong stuff.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CNI1VK?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





So, Jeep folk, how much should I worry about the hint of pinion seal seep on my rear axle? You can barely see it in these pics if you click for fullsize.


mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass
Just did the ZJ to XJ front seat swap on my XJ and drat was it easy. The ZJ seats just bolt right on to the XJ rails (97+ only though I think) and go right in without any hassle. Feels great to have a driver seat that doesn't creak and bend again. The ZJ seats do sit a teeny bit higher than the XJ though so be careful if you're really tall and considering it.

Sandbagger SA
Aug 12, 2003

Giant Thighs.
Painted Threads.
Just Off the Highway.

That looks like nothing to worry about to me.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





It's what I'm leaning towards for now, since it isn't even leaking enough to drop yet. I had a shop do that seal on my C10's 12-bolt because it was dripping, but this just seems like it might only be visible due to the dirt on everything.

I also don't own a dial torque wrench, and those aren't cheap.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
I would ignore it. If it leaks enough that there is a stain on the ground you can check the level every few months and still run it for years.

ZJ seats should fit the brackets as early as 95 or 96 I believe. I know 94s had the old style brackets, and pretty sure 95 had the new ones. 95s got a lot of improvements... door side impact bars, probably seats, big ujoint axleshafts, dual diaphragm booster, new steering column, airbags, and more. 96s then added the new ECU, fuel system (half of it anyways), serpentine belt routing, 3 bolt power steering pump, new slightly less awful belt tensioner, downstream O2 sensor, new exhaust hangar design at the crossmember, and a few other things I forget.

EightBit
Jan 7, 2006
I spent money on this line of text just to make the "Stupid Newbie" go away.
That pinion seal is a pain in the dick, and you need a dial torque wrench to make sure you don't gently caress up the bearing preload when you put the yoke back on.

Or in my case, there was not enough bearing preload to measure so I just hit it with an impact until it seated. There's supposed to be some preload, after all.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





kastein posted:

I would ignore it. If it leaks enough that there is a stain on the ground you can check the level every few months and still run it for years.

I'm thinking this leak might've been there for a while anyway and is only visible now that there's some mud on everything. I'll see where the level is at next time I'm under there, but I'm betting it's just fine and I'm being paranoid.

Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT
Was at the Jeep dealer with a friend

When did Wranglers get so expensive? They seemed way over what should be a simple mechanical design bare bones

Back to looking at XJs and CJs :v:

Great Beer
Jul 5, 2004

Top Hats Monthly posted:

Was at the Jeep dealer with a friend

When did Wranglers get so expensive? They seemed way over what should be a simple mechanical design bare bones

Back to looking at XJs and CJs :v:

When Chrysler realized people would pay 26k for them.

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

Top Hats Monthly posted:

Was at the Jeep dealer with a friend

When did Wranglers get so expensive? They seemed way over what should be a simple mechanical design bare bones

Back to looking at XJs and CJs :v:

Welcome to all modern cars. Even a Honda Civic starts at $18k and goes up from there fast.

I'd look at the TJ era Wranglers, they're kinda in the sweet spot of price and performance/reliability.

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Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT

mod sassinator posted:

Welcome to all modern cars. Even a Honda Civic starts at $18k and goes up from there fast.

I'd look at the TJ era Wranglers, they're kinda in the sweet spot of price and performance/reliability.

Look at this PAINT JOB though

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