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Video of Corbyn and Cameron today here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GTHW30ppIs warning: contains David Cameron edit: 2024: Ireland is reunited, according to Star Trek. Also World War IV starts, according to Doctor Who, which is hopefully not related Angepain fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Today Jeremy Corbyn attended a conference that claimed Jeremy Corbyn was a 'friend' to terrorist organisations Hamas and Hezbollah, the BBC's Panorama programme has learned. Mr Corbyn, who is tipped to be the next Labour leader, attended the event on behalf of the constituency of Islington North.
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Sep 7, 2015 19:04
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Oh for gently caress's sake again with the 'friends' thing. What the hell is he supposed to do when GIVING THE PLENARY AT A loving CONFERENCE? 'I'd like to welcome our friends from Israel and those terrorist cunts from Hezbollah and Hamas'?
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Sep 7, 2015 19:07
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It is clear that he's an Islamic terrorist just look at his beard
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Sep 7, 2015 19:08
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Angepain posted:edit: 2024: Ireland is reunited, according to Star Trek. Also World War IV starts, according to Doctor Who, which is hopefully not related Noxville posted:There's not even a good rationale for this, it's just evil.
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Sep 7, 2015 19:08
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thespaceinvader posted:Oh for gently caress's sake again with the 'friends' thing. "I'd like to welcome you all here today" would do the job without leaving you open to attack from the right-wing press.
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Sep 7, 2015 19:12
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Noxville posted:
"I want no more photos of dead kids. But ffs find someway to be cruel about it."
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Sep 7, 2015 19:15
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thehustler posted:"I'd like to welcome you all here today" would do the job without leaving you open to attack from the right-wing press. This is true. But, given that everyone, including the prime minister and the reporters, knows and understands the context, why oh why do they have to be cocks about it? I know the answer to that, but... it still loving infuriates me. Chasing the headline rather than the story is why we wind up with triangulating non-statements from every goddamn carbon-copy Blairbot and Cambot. Feeling you have to guard your tongue against saying words which can be prefaced and/or followed by '...' (or even not directly quoted but paraphrased) is the cause of people spending all their time saying nothing and not answering the question they're asked. And yet, the media as a whole gets pissed when people turn up to interviews and resolutely stick to the line they came in with without even thinking about what they're being asked. Ugh, I wish there was a real solution to this, but I just can't see one. Does anyone else have any ideas? I dread to think what politics will look like in 10 years when the candidates every ill-thought-out tweet from 15 years ago when they were in college will be laid bare for the world to see and take out of context.
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Sep 7, 2015 19:17
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There is literally no practical explanation for that kind of scheme; the UK pays for these refugees' entire upbringing, then sends them away before they can be productive members of society. There is literally no justification for it outside of the obvious "these people aren't likely to vote Tory" political one. It will be sickening if they manage to get away with this with 0 outcry.
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Sep 7, 2015 19:19
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Gonzo McFee posted:Top quality New Labour crying from a moaning baked bean. Instead of scrapping trident we should sell it off to a bunch of African PMCs  (why we don't have any METAL GEAR smilies I can't imagine) Noxville posted:
I hope you're all aware we already do this. 18 year old kids raised by English foster parents wandering around Afghanistan without any local connections or language skills is a real thing that actually happens right now. e/ here we go. Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Sep 7, 2015 19:22
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Kokoro Wish posted:Thankfully I spent the last 8 years of my time in Britain in Brighton, which was like a multi-cultural heaven-on-earth compared to literally everywhere else I've lived in the UK. Why do you think it's so different? I mean I'd call Birmingham or Manchester multicultural, but that doesn't mean they aren't full of racist fucks. Maybe it's all the sunshine Noxville posted:
Funny I thought this government was trying to prevent young people going to Syria
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Noxville posted:
This is already what happens to most of them. Instead of assessing refugee status on arrival children are given leave to remain until they are 17.5, at which point they are deported (when it's safe to land because the airport isnt in the middle of a running battle).
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Sep 7, 2015 19:32
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pointsofdata posted:This is already what happens to most of them. Instead of assessing refugee status on arrival children are given leave to remain until they are 17.5, at which point they are deported (when it's safe to land because the airport isnt in the middle of a running battle). I'm shocked that this is already the case. It makes literally no sense whatsoever from any perspective you can think of (outside of the obvious political sadist perspective).
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Sep 7, 2015 19:35
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Angepain posted:Video of Corbyn and Cameron today here: What do people make of Cameron's strategy? Putting aside the question of numbers, where it's clear we're woefully not pulling our weight, there is a certain logic to taking refugees directly from the conflict zone so that they don't see the dangerous crossing as their only option. quote:edit: 2024: Ireland is reunited, according to Star Trek. Also World War IV starts, according to Doctor Who, which is hopefully not related The High Ground is actually a great TNG episode incidentally. It was banned in the UK for many years because of its "there are two sides" portrayal of a terrorist struggle. Kokoro Wish posted:As a person of semi-filipino descent who grew up in a small market town in the NE, British casual racism is rampant. For the first 15 years of life I was called everything under the sun. Lived there for 30 years in various regions from small towns all the way up to large cities and it was still just as bad almost everywhere. Worst was probably in Birmingham where a gang of youth followed me around spitting on my trousers and chanting "Paki, paki paki. Out, out, out.". That's closely followed by Newcastle where on an average week, after working at a bar I'd have someone come literally right up to my face and call me a paki, chink, gook or whatever they could think of. I don't even know what to say about this, other than try and make some pointless apology for my terrible country.  poo poo.
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Prince John posted:What do people make of Cameron's strategy? Putting aside the question of numbers, where it's clear we're woefully not pulling our weight, there is a certain logic to taking refugees directly from the conflict zone so that they don't see the dangerous crossing as their only option. Also it means that more vulnerable people who are not capable of travelling across the continent have more of a chance. I know people go on about the refugees in Europe being predominantly young men as though it makes them more threatening (which I obviously don't agree with) but it also means that there's a shitload of women/people with disabilities/children/old people who presumably aren't staying put because life is dandy for them but because they just can't make it. I don't know what the answer is but it did cross my mind that concentrating all the attention on those who had made the journey meant that people who couldn't even try were kind of being ignored.
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Angepain posted:Video of Corbyn and Cameron today here: e: 1 min in
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Kegluneq posted:She's had a higher profile with regards to the refugee crisis, it might just be a case of increased media coverage. As with all Cooper positions, it's basically seeing the way the wind blows and adjusting accordingly:   XMNN posted:I refuse to believe that's true, it's comic book level supervillainry. This is the party that famously snatched the milk of children in the 70s and is now gearing up for a repeat, so you know... TinTower fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Sep 7, 2015 19:48
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Seaside Loafer posted:What the the gently caress is that oval office gideon having a great laugh about just as the PM starts speaking? Someone brought up syrian refugees and well, it just tickled him
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baka kaba posted:Why do you think it's so different? I mean I'd call Birmingham or Manchester multicultural, but that doesn't mean they aren't full of racist fucks. Maybe it's all the sunshine I have no loving clue. Just from general observation it basically that the place is just eccentric as gently caress and all races and nationalities seem to mingle with little segregation going on. Wander the area known as the Lanes and you get Japanese tea shops next to Turkish cafes with Hookas and all, next to a juice bar with a goofy pun name run by a weird bearded white guy wearing a bowler hat. At least that's in the middle of town, the more you move out of the center, the more suburban and white it gets. Lots of upper-middle t upper class peeps. Lots of money, but more left thinking, liberal people than I have ever come across in concentration anywhere else in the UK. Sure, there are pockets of conservatism, but they had a Green party council for a number of years before they hosed over meeting their pledges, now I believe it's Labour and there's a very strong backing for Corbyn. Still, all the while I was there I didn't encounter a single instance of overt racism, which was almost baffling to me. A homeless guy did call me fat this one time. Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Sep 7, 2015 19:52
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Kokoro Wish posted:Wander the area known as the Lanes and you get japanese tea shops next to Turkish cafes with Hookas and all, next to a juice bar with a goofy pun name run by a weird bearded white guy wearing a bowler hat. Huh, you appear to have made a carbon copy of north London and added some japanese tea shops Might have to give that a go
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You would have thought he could at least attempt to represent the very important position he holds with some sort of dignity and gravitas but there he giggling like a schoolgirl at god knows what in front of the whole country while a serious matter is being brought up. The young woman who works mornings at the newsagent i go to in the morning is more professional.
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Renaissance Robot posted:I hope you're all aware we already do this. 18 year old kids raised by English foster parents wandering around Afghanistan without any local connections or language skills is a real thing that actually happens right now.
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Renaissance Robot posted:Instead of scrapping trident we should sell it off to a bunch of African PMCs Lol. Light this garbage country on fire.
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thehustler posted:"I'd like to welcome you all here today" would do the job without leaving you open to attack from the right-wing press. The thing about Jeremy is that he well remembers 1987, when said press spent plenty of time squealing about him personally on very similar grounds to today (he's in CND! he wears a kaftan sometimes! he talks to the IRA! he defended Bernie Grant after Broadwater Farm!) and he doubled his majority. It didn't stick that time, so why should it now? Possibly this is too simplistic a view, but not giving a shite worked fine for Ken Livingstone until Boris Johnson appeared.
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baka kaba posted:Who, Corbyn or Cameron? Corbyn. As soon as Corbyn'd stopped talking he was laughing. How we can enforce the "right honourable" thing while letting openly laughing in people's faces pass I don't know.
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Neurolimal posted:I'm shocked that this is already the case. It makes literally no sense whatsoever from any perspective you can think of (outside of the obvious political sadist perspective). It makes no sense from a Nationalist perspective even- we've invested time and money on healthcare and education for these people, and now we send them off just as they get ready to enter the workforce and start paying taxes.
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Trin Tragula posted:The thing about Jeremy is that he well remembers 1987, when said press spent plenty of time squealing about him personally on very similar grounds to today (he's in CND! he wears a kaftan sometimes! he talks to the IRA! he defended Bernie Grant after Broadwater Farm!) and he doubled his majority. It didn't stick that time, so why should it now? Possibly this is too simplistic a view, but not giving a shite worked fine for Ken Livingstone until Boris Johnson appeared. Judging from what's come out about his mayoral term, BoJo only apparently succeeded by summiting new heights of giving zero shits.
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Renfield posted:It makes no sense from a Nationalist perspective even- we've invested time and money on healthcare and education for these people, and now we send them off just as they get ready to enter the workforce and start paying taxes. .....but they're brown.
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Phoon posted:thats what video game press has always been though, same as all hobby press, theres no process of dismantling the once effective old system like we're seeing with journalism - i suppose you could say a press as compliant as a hobby press is the end goal of the very wealthy but it just seems a weird parallel to draw In a sense the youtuber boom is probably the most journalistic you get with enthusiast press, people will rip the piss out of stuff they think is poo poo, but of course as it's amateur you don't get any guarantee of impartiality or quality. Still better than actual game journalism though.
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Kegluneq posted:Bit nervous about the news that half of those eligible to vote in the Labour leadership election have yet to do so, I hope we don't see a repeat of that Simpsons episode and everyone is complacent about a Corbyn win. I did like this snippet at the end though: "Cooper pointed out that by last week half of the party’s members had yet to vote." So that stat was a week-ish old and (unless I'm being too pedantic) it says members - not trade union affiliates or supporters where Corbyn's support is strongest. Edit: I'm guessing that a lot of people whose "hearts" are with Corbyn but "heads" are with Cooper/Burnham make up the last minute voting bloc. Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Oberleutnant posted:.....but they're brown. Judging by my neighbors attitudes, this really is the reason. Also, XMNN posted:Jesus loving christ we are an evil, selfish and miserable country.
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Renfield posted:It makes no sense from a Nationalist perspective even- we've invested time and money on healthcare and education for these people, and now we send them off just as they get ready to steal a job and start paying taxes. Surely we have to get rid of them before they steal a job tho??? That's MY job and those are MY taxes to moan about paying And if we didn't invest in them we wouldn't have any taxes because they're stealing them all so really the problem solves itself if we just had the guts to pull up the drawbridge at fortress Engl i mean Britain Microplastics fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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Pissflaps posted:I don't think you can get away with murdering somebody just because it happened in the 80s. Unless you're a government minister 
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Renfield posted:It makes no sense from a Nationalist perspective even- we've invested time and money on healthcare and education for these people, and now we send them off just as they get ready to enter the workforce and start paying taxes. It's the exact same poo poo pro-lifers pull with demanding all foetuses be born but not giving a drat about them after that. You save the children by not dropping them into a warzone, then bolster your deportation figures to sate the racists by kicking them out as soon as they're not kids anymore. It's a numbers game like every other bloody thing in politics.
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I suspect this panorama will be awful but I just saw a woman in a lil sebastian t shirt
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KKKlean Energy posted:Surely we have to get rid of them before they steal a job tho??? I'd have gone for Ready to spend a life scrounging on benefits watching Sky on Flat-Screen TVs personally :P
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This is incredible they're massively playing up the sinister unions angle e: "unfashionable causes" cuts to the thing about his clothes, no mention of apartheid Phoon fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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