Unknown Dyne posted:

ungulateman posted:

You had me up to this point

PerpetualSelf posted:

You know that Interstellar is a documentary right?

I think South America and Central America could potentially take some of the refugees.

osker posted:

I listen to NPR 'er day and I still don't understand why when a refugee is intercepted, they are not fingerprinted and processed and instead the intercepting country is all 1930's American Depression "keep walking."
Help me DND, I feel like a fucktard on this subject.

Tias posted:

Our government is literal racist scum. I pray this does not kick off another round of diplomatic crises

SaltyJesus posted:

Were they planning to swim across the sea to Sweden? Surely they have to identify themselves somewhere to get on a boat?

Inferior Third Season posted:

On top of the Lebanese newspaper ads, the Danish government yesterday also issued a warning that motorists who picked up any of the hundreds of refugees that are now walking on the Danish highways, trying to get to Sweden from Germany, would be charged with human smuggling and risk huge fines and up to two years in prison (with the exception that they drove them directly to the nearest police station, for "processing").

And, of course, it turns out that Sweden doesn't want them, either (sorry, in Danish): http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/sverige-siger-nej-til-modtage-flygtningestroem-fra-danmark

SorcerousHam posted:

As a complete outsider to Europe, how is this distribution meant to work with the Schengen (sp?) agreement or whatever allows people to move freely through the EU?

I mean, if they can be distributed elsewhere and then immediately pack up and go back to Germany... how is this going to work? Are they going to force them to stay put? Are they going to reintroduce border controls?

kikkelivelho posted:

I was about to ask this too. Won't the refugees just go back to Germany? Or are we just going to lock them up in secured apartments to make sure they stick?

kikkelivelho posted:

Also how does the distribution work? why does refugee A get to go to Germany but refugee B has to go to some Eastern country?

SorcerousHam posted:

As a complete outsider to Europe, how is this distribution meant to work with the Schengen (sp?) agreement or whatever allows people to move freely through the EU?

I mean, if they can be distributed elsewhere and then immediately pack up and go back to Germany... how is this going to work? Are they going to force them to stay put? Are they going to reintroduce border controls?

willemw posted:

It doesn't work, that's the whole problem

kikkelivelho posted:

Even without the flaws this proposal seems like a too little too late kinda deal. Shuffling a few migrants around probably won't help when thousands more enter Europe every week.

Honj Steak posted:

The quota isn't meant for ending the refugee crisis but for alleviating the immediate strains a few countries experience currently while the rest of Europe isn't bothered by it that much.

osker posted:

I listen to NPR 'er day and I still don't understand why when a refugee is intercepted, they are not fingerprinted and processed and instead the intercepting country is all 1930's American Depression "keep walking."
Help me DND, I feel like a fucktard on this subject.

team overhead smash posted:

Are there any charities which stand out as especially effective with helping refugees? Preferably ones active in the UK as I'm thinking of doing some volunteering but if not then there are always donations.

kikkelivelho posted:

I was about to ask this too. Won't the refugees just go back to Germany? Or are we just going to lock them up in secured apartments to make sure they stick?

Also how does the distribution work? why does refugee A get to go to Germany but refugee B has to go to some Eastern country?

VitalSigns posted:

Just make the EU one country, this isn't even the first dumb problem Europe has that this would solve.

VitalSigns posted:

Just make the EU one country, this isn't even the first dumb problem Europe has that this would solve.

Bedshaped posted:

Yeah sure. I'd love for my nice little socialist state to be run by Angela Merkel and the rest of her centre-right ilk.

mlmp08 posted:

CNN US has a live correspondent joining refugees in running through a breach in Hungarian border security in a cornfield.

I don't think having a reporter chasing you helps with being inconspicuous.

Noxville posted:

There's not even a good rationale for this, it's just evil.

Syrian child refugees 'to be deported at age 18', says Paddy Ashdown

Syrian refugee children who are allowed into to the UK under new measures announced by David Cameron could be deported when they reach 18, it has been claimed.

Britain will resettle up to 20,000 refugees who have fled from the conflict in Syria, the Prime Minister announced, but some may not arrive until the end of the decade and could face deportation after they have been in the UK for five years.

Refugee groups and opposition politicians lined up to criticise the announcement made by Mr Cameron for being “pitifully short of what’s needed” to tackle the crisis. The Speaker of the Commons has granted an emergency debate on the issue today.

Mr Cameron claimed the UK’s new resettlement scheme would ensure that vulnerable children – including orphans – are a priority, following in the tradition of the Kindertransport programme that helped Jewish children escape from Nazi Germany.

But it later emerged all those accepted under the scheme will only be given the right to remain in the UK for five years. This, the former leader of the Liberal Democrats Lord Ashdown suggested, could mean orphans and children being deported at age 18 having made a new life in Britain. A government spokesman said that after the five-year period refugees could apply for indefinite leave to remain.

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The young people sent back to Afghanistan

Many unaccompanied children who have fled Afghanistan and had their asylum claim rejected in the UK are given until they are 18 before being sent back. For the past seven months the BBC has followed some of these young men. They face life in an unfamiliar and dangerous country, write Chris Rogers and Sue Clayton.

Najib makes his way nervously through the streets of Kabul. At 20, he is alone in one of the most dangerous countries in the world. On every corner heavily armed solders guard communities and government buildings. It is a city on the edge - there has been a surge of Taliban attacks in Kabul in recent weeks. "You can see it's dangerous," he says as army helicopters fly low across the city skyline, "It is getting worse here. There are bombs and explosions everywhere."

As an Afghan, you might expect Najib to be used to the Taliban violence, but the city is as strange to him as it would be to any foreigner.

He spent much of his childhood in the UK. Originally from Lashkar Gah, the capital of Helmand province, when his father and brother went missing his mother arranged for him to be got out of the country by agents. He spent months on the journey including walking through the mountains between Pakistan and Iran.

But Najib was deported by the Home Office back to his country of birth two years ago.

"I don't belong here, I wasn't educated here and I don't know the culture. Britain is my home," he says in a strong Midlands accent. Najib still sports a hairstyle that wouldn't be out of place on David Beckham and is wearing a trendy shirt, jeans and trainers.

He couldn't look more British, but he says that is a problem. "The Taliban attack the West here, people who work for the British government or even people who just come from Britain and America, It is dangerous here."

He looks on at the hopelessness around him - dozens of war widows are begging for money and food on their knees, while gangs of young Afghan men scrape a living offering their labour on street corners. There is 40% unemployment in a country struggling to recover from an endless war, and Najib wants out.

"I will leave Afghanistan and go to another country as a refugee," he says. "There is nothing for me here. Even if I get sent back I will just keep trying to leave Afghanistan."

Najib later jumps on to a bus out of Kabul with just a rucksack of belongings. He is heading to the border and plans to make his way back to Britain with the help of traffickers. It's the same 4,000-mile journey he made as an 11-year-old boy.

Since 2006, 5,500 unaccompanied Afghan children have reached the UK and claimed asylum. More than 80% of those who claimed persecution by the Taliban had their cases rejected.

But rather than send them straight back, the Home Office offers them a temporary life in Britain, usually with a foster family until the age of 18, when they must leave the country voluntarily or be deported.

The vast majority of the Afghan children who come to the UK are male. Families believe their daughters are too vulnerable to be sent alone on the path to Europe.
Najib spent most of his childhood in Southam near Leamington Spa with foster parent Linda.

"It was wrong to send him back, they are just pawns in a political process," she sobs as she flicks through an album of photos showing Najib's first day at the local school and the Christmases and birthdays they shared together. "He is a number so that anybody who wants to get political gain can say, 'We have sent this many people back'.

"How can they justify sending someone to a country they hardly remember when they have made a life for themselves here?"

Another former child asylum seeker placed in Linda's care faces deportation any day now. Faisal, now 19, can appeal against his deportation, but he is taking no chances after seeing what became of Najib. He has been in the UK since he was 14.

In a tower block several miles from his foster home, Faisal is making a bed on the floor of a friend's flat. He has gone on the run, moving addresses every few days. "I'm so scared the Home Office are going to pick me up," he says as he heads out on to the balcony, scouring the streets below. "I check for them every 20 to 30 minutes during the night. Early in the morning I'll leave and go and sleep somewhere else."

According to research by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, the Home Office has deported more than 600 failed child asylum seekers to Afghanistan since 2011. Nearly 500 more are earmarked for removal. Yet the government advises its own citizens not to travel to Afghanistan because of the threat of terrorism and kidnapping.
In a statement, the Home Office says it is proud of its history of giving asylum. "Where people establish a genuine need for protection, or a well-founded fear of persecution, refuge will be granted. Every case is carefully considered on its individual merits."

Refugee campaigners accuse the Home Office of effectively warehousing Afghan children - dismissing their claims of persecution in Afghanistan with the sole intention of deporting them when they become adults - to keep migrant numbers down.

Juliette Wales, of Kent Refugee Network, has tried to help hundreds of young Afghans appeal against their deportation. "It's tragic to see these kids who believe they are safe, working really hard and going to college, turn 18 years old and turn into the state they turn into, it's a waste of life."

Many of the former child asylum seekers we met are convinced they will be killed by the Taliban in Afghanistan, but their greatest fear is often losing the life they have made for themselves in Britain.

The Home Office does not monitor what becomes of deportees once they arrive in Kabul, but human rights campaigners do. According to a study of 200 failed child asylum seekers, they tend to turn to two options - escape Afghanistan by fleeing back to Europe, or escape reality by taking drugs.

Under a notorious bridge on the River Kabul, where a community of around 300 heroin users live in stream of rubbish and sewage, we find 23-year-old Ahmed. He claims he lived in Manchester for eight years - he's been back in Kabul living with his mother for 18 months.

"This is not a situation I am proud of. Today I promised my mother this would be the last day I take drugs," he say. But he admits it's a promise he has made many times.

"It eases the pain, this is my escape, I had a life in Manchester, but not here. I pray to God to get me out of this situation."
His thin, dirty face and soulless eyes suggest months of drug abuse, and he's not ready to quit escaping reality just yet. He waves goodbye as he makes his way back under the bridge for his next hit.

tsa posted:

Yea how dare Geraldo Rivera actually report news by giving away where U.S. Soldiers were.

XMNN posted:

This came up in the UKMT, but it's worth bringing up here.

It's important to remember when Cameron talks about accepting "up to" 20,000 children from camps around Syria's borders, that we won't be granting them refugee status, we will in fact be granting them leave to remain until just before their 18th birthday at which point they will be deported to their country of origin.

IronDoge posted:

Christ that's like saving a wounded man, rehabilitating him, then shooting him in the leg and tossing him into a pool full of ravenous bull sharks.