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Amethyst posted:Remember the last time he was kicked out of the leadership was partially because he refused to compromise on climate change. Yeah. He's had a bit of cynical "pragmatism" hammered into him. It's not ~pragmatism~ so much as he genuinely believes he can make these commitments and then just break them when it suits him because noone will be able to out-argue him. That's his MO for pretty much everything - do whatever, verbally dismantle anyone who complains.
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Kommando posted:On what issues https://twitter.com/AnnaVidot/status/643660951040868353
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The Peccadillo posted:Corbyn needs to commit one of the 19 transportable crimes
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Anyone who expected Turnbull to be any different was completely kidding themselves. The joy of the last 24 hours was entirely in seeing Abbott be completely humiliated.
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HookShot posted:The joy of the last 24 hours was entirely in seeing Abbott be completely humiliated.
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Ok so the nats crossed the floor on this https://theconversation.com/explainer-what-is-the-competition-effects-test-39424 Basically, the reform makes it easier to establish anti-competitive misconduct in court. Looks like it isn't getting through though, since Labor doesn't support it either. Making this purely symbolic
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Abbott didn't cry or vibrate himself through the floor or any of that bullshit. I feel robbed.
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Tanya Plibersek is ripping into the Libs in question time right now. She called him a hollow man and "that came from Jeff Kennett" and the right erupted
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Anidav posted:So basically Malcolm Turnbull became PM on the condition that he has to be Tony Abbott. They wanted better salesmen, not better products. It'll be interesting to see if Turnbull's office is easier to work with than Abbott's.
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Sep 15, 2015 07:09
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I predict the next set of polls to be 52-48 to the LNP
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Anidav posted:I predict the next set of polls to be 52-48 to the LNP Dead Abbott Bounce?
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Sep 15, 2015 07:17
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Eh, from what I saw in question time labor are in serious trouble. Turnbull handled them easily.
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Sep 15, 2015 07:19
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turnbul will savagely pwn shorten with no mercy all the time 
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You lot may be placing greater emphasis on the effect of question time than the rest of the population. Remember, the real cut through messaging is whatever gets shared virally, or goes out on established communications channels. The viral stuff is moreso going to be negative or bizarre or hilarious than necessarily "hey check out this guy he's so great ilu mal". So chill a bit.
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Orkin Mang posted:turnbul will savagely pwn shorten with no mercy all the time So does a dog of below average intelligence. So does a block of not very good cheese. gently caress, Shorten could debate against a beige wall and come off like he got schooled.
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hooman posted:So does a dog of below average intelligence. thats what im saying. such is bill shortens intellectual dwarfism that even when hes in the right hell still lose in the face of malcolm turnbull's finely honed pwn tones
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Les Affaires posted:You lot may be placing greater emphasis on the effect of question time than the rest of the population. They (everyone, including the basket-weaving twitterati) already decided Shorten is a dud, though? Like, the circumstances are just as spurious as the ones that led to people insisting Abbott was privately a deep thinker who would grow into the mantle of PM, but they're out there and they aren't going to change.
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hooman posted:gently caress, Shorten could debate against a beige wall and come off like he got schooled. The wall, by virtue of saying nothing, would automatically be smarter than Shorten. Anyway, as much as I want Labor to win, I'd almost prefer them to lose if they can't come up with anything but opposition to a few Coalition policies. Part of Abbott's ruin, apart from him being a world class piece of scum, was that he had no mandate to do anything. We need to stop having PMs who get into power like this so we can have governments who can do things. So, hopefully Shorten gets knifed and Labor picks someone who moves away from the small target strategy to picking a position, accepting not everyone is going to like it, and arguing for it from an ideological position. I reckon that will beat a Turnbull who half the time is arguing things he doesn't even believe in.
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Oh my is it time for Labor's telegenic female deputy leader to knife the boring and unpopular leader again
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The idea that shorten is a dud is fairly well evidenced by every moment of his existence both individually and as a body of work
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Solemn Sloth posted:The idea that shorten is a dud is fairly well evidenced by every moment of his existence both individually and as a body of work Not to mention him actively loving over union members in exchange for donations from business while he was a union leader. I mean if there's anyone who you don't want in charge of your country it is someone who does that. Tony Abbott is a perfect example of everything that is wrong with the Liberal Party. Bill Shorten is exactly that to the Labor Party.
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Shorten is essentially hosed and Turnbull knows this which is why a spill was pretty much the perfect move for the LNP.
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Like fine, we are now the Labah Party but we look better on Camera, your move, Bill.
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Turnbull is a very effective shouty man in parliament where Shorten is less animated. That said I didn't think Turnbull had an especially good QT because all the issues around him are still there no matter how much he shouts in the chamber. I am not defending Shorten at all but unless Turnbull can change LNP policy what really is the point. I know this thread is maximum doom and gloom but it was the 2014 budget that destroyed the libs in the polls and Turnbull is on the record agreeing with that. Labor can still run a campaign on medicare and education which is going to be difficult for the lnp to deal with.
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All I ask for is that Bill Shorten mysteriously disappear and is never seen or heard from ever again.
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Burn Down Canberra posted:Turnbull is a very effective shouty man in parliament where Shorten is less animated. That said I didn't think Turnbull had an especially good QT because all the issues around him are still there no matter how much he shouts in the chamber. I don't think Turnbull can beat Shorten at an election, I think Tony has sufficiently poisoned the well that the LNP is hosed. I'm dark at Shorten for being poo poo in his own right and for being in favor of eroding civil rights, jumping into wars and torturing refugees to chase votes.
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Yeah but Bill Shorten looks a bit like Jack Nicholson with a forehead implant whereas MT looks like an artists impression of successful white male
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hooman posted:I don't think Turnbull can beat Shorten at an election, I think Tony has sufficiently poisoned the well that the LNP is hosed. I'm dark at Shorten for being poo poo in his own right and for being in favor of eroding civil rights, jumping into wars and torturing refugees to chase votes. Yes Shorten has been horrific especially with such a bad government. Labor are famously cowardly but Shorten is especially easy to scare. He has a history of a sellout and is the best argument for the Greens that exists. I am quite fond of my local (alp) member but I am almost certainly going to vote greens because of all the stuff you said. I think my point was more that at the end of the day dynamic personalities don't matter too much. JWH was a better performer than Shorten certainly but weaker than some of the Labor guys he came up against and he still won a million elections.
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Next budget will be soft and everyone will forget all about the last two. Turnbull's gonna win.
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Negligent posted:Yeah but Bill Shorten looks a bit like Jack Nicholson with a forehead implant whereas MT looks like an artists impression of successful white male Shorten needs a moustache. 
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Shorten needs a moustache. Christ, he looks like a dirty loving cop from the 70's. Fitting.
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So who can knife Shorten and take over pronto? Tanya? Albo? Di Natale?
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xutech posted:JWH? Howard
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Schlesische posted:So who can knife Shorten and take over pronto? Has to be Tanya. She just can't do it by herself.
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Also, paradoxically the new Labor rule that Rudd brought in making it harder to depose the leader has had the effect of ensuring they are stuck with a lovely leader for longer, therefore allowing the LNP additional time to grind him into the dust before they make the switch. They will make the switch, but only once it's obvious that they won't have a chance with Bill at the ballot box. It either happens in the next six months, or they will go to the election with him, lose horribly, and he will resign to leave President Plibersek to rule over us with her irony fist from 2019 to 2039.
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Digiwizzard posted:All I ask for is that Bill Shorten mysteriously disappear and is never seen or heard from ever again. Bilb Sporten returned to his home planet.
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quote:The Abbott Government did have achievements and, in time, the three free trade agreements will stand out like beacons, underpinning prosperity and employment for millions in the years that lie ahead. [isuhlmannstillshit.gif]
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Did you guys forget what happened at the Labor Conference? Plibersek is just as much as a sellout as Shorten, she sold her own faction to him and Albo was having fits of rage behind the scenes. Plibersek lost all goodwill and the only type of leader she will be is one that has the same policy shackles as Julia Gillard had from the ALP Right.
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Les Affaires posted:Has to be Tanya. She just can't do it by herself. What, just because she's a woman means she can't knife Shorten on her own. Sexist pig.
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