Rex Deckard posted:They also probably dig Ayn Rand. Okay now you are just going too far. I'm pretty sure House was written also as a fun poke of a Ayn Rand fanboy Industrialist tycoon with a moustache with a certain other video game franchise.
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house is a cool dude and i always feel bad when i shoot him in the face when i eventually go independent.
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Sep 25, 2015 23:40
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I still can't decide if the reason goons think any side that's not NCR is even a remotely good outcome is because a)the writing is good b) the writing is bad or C) Goons are retarded. All outcomes of NV are bad. However, the larger NCR gets, the more chances of a people's revolution. If house or the courier fall, NV is controlled by uneducated gentry and robots. When Caesar dies, bloodbath and reversion to tribalism. NCR will keep on trucking regardless of who dies. Also lmao if something like a platinum chip set House back for 200 years, he's going to lose to NCR or his own ineptitude before he accomplishes anything of significance.
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Sep 25, 2015 23:51
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It's my understanding that you can use the Black Widow perk to seduce Benny and then kill him in his sleep. I'd like to go that route, but I can't seem to get to the dialogue option. Does it require you to pass the speech or barter check first? Both of my scores there are pretty low at the moment, and speech in particular would take some serious effort to get high enough to pass.
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Sep 26, 2015 00:07
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Nasgate posted:I still can't decide if the reason goons think any side that's not NCR is even a remotely good outcome is because a)the writing is good b) the writing is bad or C) Goons are retarded. counterpoint; my courier is the god king of mojave and will never die
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Sep 26, 2015 00:07
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Roobanguy posted:counterpoint; my courier is the god king of mojave and will never die Clearing out both Death Wind Cavern, the abandoned school area AND of course the Quarry of all Death Claws. Come get me Wasteland  .
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Sep 26, 2015 00:09
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StandardVC10 posted:How do you know it'll do that? You could have some loud-talking rear end in a top hat explain how really, House just stabbed the NCR in the back after they tried to protect the Mojave from the Legion mob. I don't, but the other option is to help the NCR Manifest Destiny everything in its path until it explodes. If House fanboys dig Ayn Rand, NCR fanboys love Andrew Jackson.
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Sep 26, 2015 04:26
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Byzantine posted:I don't, but the other option is to help the NCR Manifest Destiny everything in its path until it explodes. Only one of these people is printed on currency in spite of ruining the national bank.
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Sep 26, 2015 04:30
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The NCR represents modernist ideals of democracy and progress, House represents postmodern consumer capitalism, and the Legion represents pre-modern classical lines of thought about moral purity and service to the empire/state/whatever. Each one is an obviously ill-fated attempt to recover the Old World, which lead to the nuclear apocalypse in the first place. Specifically to house, he relies on the fat of the land in the NCR, because his economy is based around conspicuous consumption of Brahmin barons, and rangers blowing their leave pay on hookers and slots. However he's likely too proud to ever really submit to NCR, and NCR is run by a band of idiots, so even after the accord of the Hoover Dam, they will likely be scheming for ways to take Vegas under their thumb. A war is inevitable, in other words. House's technocracy versus the NCR's wave of flesh with Mojave in the middle. The only good ending is to use your Godlike powers to seize control, and kick the Mojave forcibly into a new track. Sort of like the end of Snowpiercer.
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Sep 26, 2015 04:41
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NCR in its present state, and the only cure is getting rid of Kimball-Oliver duo. Possibly Moore too.Cass posted:They try to put their stake in everything they see. Nobody's dick's that long. Not even Long Dick Johnson, and he had a loving long dick. Thus, the name. As long as Courier and/or House stays on good terms with NCR, it's perfectly possible to negotiate around the hopefully more reasonable leadership afterwards.
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Sep 26, 2015 06:42
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GuyUpNorth posted:NCR in its present state, and the only cure is getting rid of Kimball-Oliver duo. Possibly Moore too. NCR has a long history of useless leaders so far.
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Sep 26, 2015 06:51
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I like to think that Long Dick Johnson was The Chosen One's New Reno porn pseudonym.
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Sep 26, 2015 06:53
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Joshua Graham doesn't even get a personal ending narration of you choose to evacuate Zion. I completely forgot about it and realized I had never chosen the option til now.
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Sep 26, 2015 07:03
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Iretep posted:NCR has a long history of useless leaders so far. i'm as anti-NCR as can be but everything in F2 said Tandi was great at her job.
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Sep 26, 2015 10:11
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Delsaber posted:I like to think that Long Dick Johnson was The Chosen One's New Reno porn pseudonym. An odd name for a woman to pick.
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Sep 26, 2015 10:17
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The Chosen One is canonically male as his child is head of the Bishop family during the time the events of New Vegas occur, futhermo-
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Nasgate posted:
All outcomes are bad except for the one I choose.
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Sep 26, 2015 12:56
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Look Democracy and Freedom and poo poo is all well and good in an industrialized modern nation but when you've got literal giant scorpions and deathclaws and drug crazed cannibals at your front gate you just might need some good old fashioned authoritarianism/monarchy for a few decades to stabilize things. You can weep for the Khans but the fact remains: they were a gang dealing drugs and engaging in all kinds of crimes. Same for the Kings. Same for any of the 3 Families before House got a hold of them. It's interesting that we all hate the Boomers because they are fucklords killing people at random with artillery but for some reason we ignore the Kings' and the Khans' crimes just because they aren't happening to us directly and act like some great people got wiped out for no reason other than because House is an rear end in a top hat. Sure, we're privy to the info that Pacer is an rear end and the King wants to check him - from the NCR and House's point of view, the Kings are starting gun battles in the streets over territory. Saying the NCR is better because it offers a better chance of people's revolution then calling goons retarded is kind of lol as gently caress. Anyway, House's expansion is dependent on the good will of the people because sure he has an army of securotrons but unless I'm missing something he can't make more on his own and he's going to need to replace broken/destroyed ones and he will need more numbers to effectively patrol larger areas. He's at least going to need human cooperation to get raw materials for more bots/ammo if he somehow has untouched automated factories. Plus the NCR and House can co-exist; I don't think House is particularly interested in conquering huge swathes of land or toppling the NCR. He probably understands economic domination is much more important in the end and he says he needs a vibrant NCR for their $$$. It doesn't need to be some all or nothing where House wins and the NCR collapses totally. Also assuming you're not an evil courier you're there to keep his poo poo in check, presumably. Yeah he's an megalomaniacal/narcissistic person and he definitely has personality flaws but if you're holding out for perfection I don't think any of the end game choices offer that. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Sep 26, 2015 |
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Moridin920 posted:Plus the NCR and House can co-exist; I don't think House is particularly interested in conquering huge swathes of land or toppling the NCR. He probably understands economic domination is much more important in the end and he says he needs a vibrant NCR for their $$$. It doesn't need to be some all or nothing where House wins and the NCR collapses totally. Raygereio fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Sep 26, 2015 |
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Sep 26, 2015 20:09
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Raygereio posted:House has zero interest in expanding his territory beyond the Mojave. His main goals are rebuilding Vegas and restarting the pre-war high-tech industries. House both needs the local population and the NCR.for that. The former as a workforce and the latter for trade and to fuel his economy. Right. So if you like the NCR (as I do) but you still think House's ending is better, you can have your cake and eat it too because the NCR is doing just fine back in California. If anything the NCR will be forced to cool down on its expansion and the current administration will lose office after such a gently caress up in Nevada. If I'm reading people's opinions correctly re President Kimball & Co. that's a good thing. Plus you've got a buffer to the West protecting the NCR from future Caesars and whatever. A nice big robot army buffer dependent on their trade/money.
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Sep 26, 2015 20:11
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Moridin920 posted:Right. So if you like the NCR (as I do) but you still think House's ending is better, you can have your cake and eat it too because the NCR is doing just fine back in California. If anything the NCR will be forced to cool down on its expansion and the current administration will lose office after such a gently caress up in Nevada. If I'm reading people's opinions correctly re President Kimball & Co. that's a good thing. One of the problems with the NCR is the expansion urge from the war hawks in charge. I never felt going with the NCR and basically aiding it in its expansion was in the NCR's, or the tribes and other societies surrounding it, best interests.
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Not really sure how you can claim the Khans were committing various crimes when they were the only thing close to a Law in the region at the time. They were also exactly the sort of authoritarian system you're calling for, and got trounced by the democratic NCR pretty thoroughly when contact was made.
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Sep 26, 2015 22:38
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Moridin920 posted:Look Democracy and Freedom and poo poo is all well and good in an industrialized modern nation but when you've got literal giant scorpions and deathclaws and drug crazed cannibals at your front gate you just might need some good old fashioned authoritarianism/monarchy for a few decades to stabilize things. You can weep for the Khans but the fact remains: they were a gang dealing drugs and engaging in all kinds of crimes. Same for the Kings. Same for any of the 3 Families before House got a hold of them. Idk why the idea of the only government that has potential to change instead of collapse is silly to you? Also, who hates the boomers? Aside from the beyond thunderdome mural crap, they have a very good post-apocalyptic viewpoint (everyone new is a threat) Last I checked House ending indicates he has automated factories to produce infinite Securitrons without human assistance. Also he doesn't rely on goodwill, he relies on lying to and using the local population. My main beef with House is how inept he is. He relies on a person he had shot in the head to actually accomplish his goals. He is not smart, just charismatic and lucky. Undoubtedly his space plans will end the same as the ghouls, only 100 times more catastrophic. Even Joshua's pacifist friend would be a better leader of people.
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Sep 26, 2015 23:12
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SeanBeansShako posted:Clearing out both Death Wind Cavern, the abandoned school area AND of course the Quarry of all Death Claws. Come get me Wasteland My only gripe with Dead Wind Cavern is that Mercy would have been really helpful before going in there. Once you've cleaned the place out there's not much to really use the gun on unless you wait till lvl 30 to run OWB.
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Sep 27, 2015 00:20
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Well, there's always the other Deathclaw-infested areas.
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Nasgate posted:My main beef with House is how inept he is. He relies on a person he had shot in the head to actually accomplish his goals. What? House didn't order the Courier to be shot, Benny was operating on his own, against House. House needed the Courier to finish their delivery, and him ordering Victor to dig the Courier up and getting them to a doctor is the only reason the Courier didn't end up dying in a shallow grave. I may just have misread what you meant, in that case, ignore this post. Nasgate posted:He is not smart, just charismatic and lucky. Undoubtedly his space plans will end the same as the ghouls, only 100 times more catastrophic. He's has been shown to be a very shrewd businessman, a brilliant inventor, and very good (though evidently not good enough) at calculations, so I'd consider him to be pretty intelligent, at least in certain areas. ThaumPenguin fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Sep 27, 2015 |
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ThaumPenguin posted:What? House didn't order the Courier to be shot, Benny was operating on his own, against House. Pfft, he's only got an intelligence of 5 and- 
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Nasgate posted:Idk why the idea of the only government that has potential to change instead of collapse is silly to you? I've read plenty of hate for the Boomers on other sites. The hilarious logic of "They call me, the guy in power armor with a plasma caster a savage?! I'll kill them all!"
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Nasgate posted:Also, who hates the boomers? Aside from the beyond thunderdome mural crap, they have a very good post-apocalyptic viewpoint (everyone new is a threat)
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ThaumPenguin posted:What? House didn't order the Courier to be shot, Benny was operating on his own, against House. Anyone with normal intelligence would be able to notice and prevent benny from double crossing them. If I recall correctly, there's some in game stuff that hints that the invention that made House rich was made by accident. Idk, the way he's portrayed in game does not paint the picture of a particularly intelligent person in my opinion, even less so a benevolent or effective leader. As for boomers, the dude that tells you hell pay you if you run through their artillery is the real rear end in a top hat that deserves to die. Also lmao at people being upset for rightly being called a savage (the pc is a scavenger)
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My issue with the boomers is that getting to their base is a pain in the rear end and it is an infuriating waste of time to do their quests - you effectively have to run for 5 minutes along a flat plain with no landmarks to speak of. Which is pretty much the case for their entire base: nothing visually interesting to look at, anywhere.
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double nine posted:My issue with the boomers is that getting to their base is a pain in the rear end and it is an infuriating waste of time to do their quests - you effectively have to run for 5 minutes along a flat plain with no landmarks to speak of. Which is pretty much the case for their entire base: nothing visually interesting to look at, anywhere. The authentic Air Force base experience.
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Paracelsus posted:When the subject came up in the thread previously, it seemed that about half the thread hated the Boomers more than the Legion and considered it their duty, moral obligation, and pleasure to kill every man, woman, and child at Nellis. Well, just every man and woman due to technical limitations 
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Sep 27, 2015 15:38
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The Boomers are great and I'll call in a B-29 on anyone who says otherwise 
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Sep 27, 2015 15:46
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2house2fly posted:Well, just every man and woman due to technical limitations Modding takes care of that
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Sep 27, 2015 15:54
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I'm halfway tempted to reinstall fallout 3 just to bring a fat man to little lamplight.
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Anabelle is a really good unique, I couldn't believe what I was missing with that missle launcher until my latest playthrough. Made late game Fallout 3 piss easy as well.
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2house2fly posted:Well, just every man and woman due to technical limitations Wait you're not allowed to kill kids? I guess that explains why the grenade I reverse-pickpocketed onto the kid with Euclid's C-Finder never exploded.
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The Boomers are a thinly veiled reference to modern day Israel.
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stubblyhead posted:Wait you're not allowed to kill kids? I guess that explains why the grenade I reverse-pickpocketed onto the kid with Euclid's C-Finder never exploded. Yes, children are all set as invincible.
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