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Nth Doctor posted:It's worth pointing out, strongly suspected townie Kumba notably appears to think Biaga is town as well. I initially suspected Biaga but his responses seemed townier than not, this is true
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TMMadman posted:I think the biggest issues facing you are these: There is something about this post that is rubbing me the wrong way but I am having a difficult time articulating it.
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Oct 1, 2015 02:01
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Also, as always I think Kash is scum. This game it's because he was opportunistic on the Biaga vote and continued to push what I believe is a bad case.
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Oct 1, 2015 02:02
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Kumbamontu posted:There is something about this post that is rubbing me the wrong way but I am having a difficult time articulating it. I think it's a pretty fair accounting of the thread so far and points out the main suspects, aside from Kash. If it's just because it's a sum up type response, well I almost always get dinged for those whenever someone replaces.
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Oct 1, 2015 02:05
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This is a little stupid but the thing that's pinging me the most is your "solid" town read on me. You seem too sure of my alignment given what has transpired thus far, though to be fair I don't know you well enough to know if you tend to make hard calls early
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Oct 1, 2015 02:07
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Especially given you had literally JUST given a town read on me 2 posts prior. Smells like scum buddying.
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Oct 1, 2015 02:08
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Kumbamontu posted:There is something about this post that is rubbing me the wrong way but I am having a difficult time articulating it. The only thing I can see that could make one's spider sense tingle is that the summary is explicitly just TMM's views, and could be used as a way to nudge any newly entering player's thoughts by getting the first word in. Setting the stage, so to speak.
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Oct 1, 2015 02:09
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Nth Doctor posted:The only thing I can see that could make one's spider sense tingle is that the summary is explicitly just TMM's views, and could be used as a way to nudge any newly entering player's thoughts by getting the first word in. Setting the stage, so to speak. Eh, not quite what I was feeling but I could see that. Are you just trying to see if you could paint that post in a scummy context as an academic exercise or do you think the above is a real possibility?
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Oct 1, 2015 02:11
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Kumbamontu posted:This is a little stupid but the thing that's pinging me the most is your "solid" town read on me. You seem too sure of my alignment given what has transpired thus far, though to be fair I don't know you well enough to know if you tend to make hard calls early Well, I admit that a lot of my town read is because you are posting quite a lot and I usually take that as a town sign. Plus, I've liked your content and it has all seemed sincere, so I'm pretty comfortable thinking you're town right now. I think you were wrong about Biaga, but you've explained your thoughts and reasons well. Of course, you could be scum just posting a lot as cover and as I said, if that's the case I'll hate you forever. 
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Oct 1, 2015 02:12
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TMM seems town right now. He does this every game, and in fact the only time he doesn't make a d1 scum read on me is when he's scum.
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Oct 1, 2015 02:13
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Fair enough!
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Oct 1, 2015 02:14
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Nth Doctor posted:The only thing I can see that could make one's spider sense tingle is that the summary is explicitly just TMM's views, and could be used as a way to nudge any newly entering player's thoughts by getting the first word in. Setting the stage, so to speak. If someone asks for a sum up of the thread, it's always going to be from my point of view although I try to keep it pretty neutral.
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Oct 1, 2015 02:15
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Kumbamontu posted:Eh, not quite what I was feeling but I could see that. Are you just trying to see if you could paint that post in a scummy context as an academic exercise or do you think the above is a real possibility? Nah, I was more hoping to help you put words to your feeling  Mostly the natural urge to read someone else's explanation of a situation and think "hey that's weird that it doesn't line up so nicely with my view" where both you and I have that context but DBD entering the game wouldn't and could get the well poisoned by a slightly biased summary.
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Oct 1, 2015 02:16
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TMMadman posted:If someone asks for a sum up of the thread, it's always going to be from my point of view although I try to keep it pretty neutral. Right. I realize that, and I wasn't trying to say you were being intentional about bias.
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Oct 1, 2015 02:17
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Nth Doctor posted:Nah, I was more hoping to help you put words to your feeling I had assumed as much I just wanted to be sure
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Oct 1, 2015 02:30
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Kumbamontu posted:Did you ignore the second paragraph and focus only on the first? I'm sincerely stumped as to how you are reaching this conclusion because the words are right there. Wow, you jumped to some serious conclusions, given that I never said I thought you were scum, changed my vote, made an accusation, etc. You're kinda defensive, mate...
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Oct 1, 2015 02:32
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Perhaps instead of waxing poetic about how I misinterpreted you you should clarify what you meant then because I apparently don't know what that phrase means? Or were you somehow talking about someone else?
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Oct 1, 2015 02:39
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Also you said that jumping on you was "concretely scummy" so if that isn't you calling me scum then what is?
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Oct 1, 2015 02:48
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Kumbamontu posted:Also you said that jumping on you was "concretely scummy" so if that isn't you calling me scum then what is? I meant I never said what conclusions I'd drawn from reading you. You'll notice I haven't voted you, yet, or made any accusations.
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Oct 1, 2015 02:54
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Hermetic posted:I meant I never said what conclusions I'd drawn from reading you. You'll notice I haven't voted you, yet, or made any accusations. Yes. Yes, yes I have. Maybe... you should start???????
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Oct 1, 2015 03:01
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Gabriel Pope posted:Yes. Yes, yes I have. Maybe... you should start??????? Very clever, but I meant based on the read. As a matter of fact, if memory serves, you voted me for one of my accusations. You should probably keep your reason for your vote kinda close to mind.
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Oct 1, 2015 03:04
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Kumbamontu posted:Perhaps instead of waxing poetic about how I misinterpreted you you should clarify what you meant then because I apparently don't know what that phrase means? Or were you somehow talking about someone else?
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Oct 1, 2015 03:06
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TMMadman posted:I think the biggest issues facing you are these: Awkward newbie read for me, but I don't like your vote on Kash at all, don't think his reaction was really out of the ordinary. I don't like my gut on Hermetic, mostly because he reads like me when I post as scum. High praise, I know. I hedge a bit sometimes because I don't like to hard commit myself to anybody unless I for sure have information or a drat good gut read, so playing cautious isn't bad.
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Oct 1, 2015 03:29
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I have had a fun time re-reading the thread and boy oh boy do I have observations: Probably Town: Green Intern, Nth Doctor Neutral: Kumbamontu, Podima  , SirSamVimes, Someone Awful, TMMadman, Deadbeat DadProbably Scum: Gabriel Pope, Hermetic, biaga Scum: Kashuno Green and Nth are making good contributions and asking good questions without making any scummy posts or moves. Unless there are crazy revelations, I'd probably consider them Townies on D2. Kumba is making a lot of great posts and only Someone Awful seems to think he's scummy. Podima is a huge jerk butt who voted for me for a dumb reason (Kash, Tomm, and Kumba thinks this is a weird move) but otherwise Podima hasn't added too much and doesn't seem scummy to me otherwise, jerk vote aside  . I definitely want Podima to post more. SSV is a little quiet and pretty firm on voting biaga (Someone Awful is not cool with SSV's reasoning). SA thinks every other person is scum and is giving a lot of opinions so I'm waiting for D2 to have more of an opinion on SA. TMM is chiming in but I'd like to hear more from him. Deadbeat just joined  Gabriel has made some scummy posts (TMM and SA agree). Someone Awful! posted:I agree that it seems weird that Gabriel Pope didn't make any alignment calls/votes in his last posts; I especially feel like the point he made on me was a bit forced (though obviously I have some bias there, lolol). I feel like his posts are basically throwing softball reads out there in the hope that one of them sticks/gathers steam rather than actually scum-hunting? I would like TMM to explain his reasoning more in depth, but I think Gabriel has been a bit wishy washy. Gabriel's vote for Herm at least keeps me from considering Gabriel total scum right now. Hermetic seems kind of all over the place. Gabriel has been pretty focused on pointing the finger at Herm: Gabriel Pope posted:Kashuno is trying way too hard, but he seems confident in his convictions. I find Hermetic's opportunism a lot more eyebrow-raising: SA isn't so sure on Herm either but would vote Herm. Hermetic posted:Hi Someone Awful! This comes off super weak and admitting he's kinda scum is a bit of a red flag. Podima thinks Herm is scummy but not enough to vote atm. Kumbamontu posted:Evidence is demonstrably not everything in mafia - persuasion is. You don't have to be right, you just need to convince others that you're right. Looking for hard evidence that someone is scum is going to be an uphill battle, because everything is subjective. Kash backs up Kumba's opinion on Herm. biaga has rolled over and is playing dead. Maybe this is why the bandwagon has moved on. I can believe that biaga is overly defensive right now because he's a newb who hosed up. He's basically asking to be lynched and nearly everything he says sounds pretty scummy. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for today though, because: Putting my money down right now would mean ##vote Kashuno. Kash has rolled off the radar a bit recently and to call back attention. Kash attacks Gabriel’s vote on biaga with “this is a weird insinuation” but doesn’t add anything else. Kash backpedals with his stance after people begin to think maybe biaga is just a poor newbie: Kashuno posted:I disagree What? TMM sees it as the opportunistic vote that it is. TMMadman posted:This is an opportunistic vote. And I agree. Kashuno posted:nah Scum response! Later, biaga says Kash is scum. TMM agrees without much reasoning though: TMMadman posted:More like people seem to be in a real hurry to jump on a new guy for what basically amounts to awkwardness. Gabriel defends Kash and TMM decide the two are in cahoots. Not sure I'm on board with this. I wonder with Gabriel and Kash think about each other? Nth Doctor posted:Kash, you went from a vote on Biaga being weird to voting him yourself in just over an hour and you've stuck to your guns ever since. This is why I agree with TMM that your vote seems opportunistic. The only waver you've had was this morning: Nth has got it right. Kash really isn't owning up to any of the accusations and is offering jackshit as a reason. What's Kash thinking about right now? Kashuno posted:TMM seems town right now. He does this every game, and in fact the only time he doesn't make a d1 scum read on me is when he's scum. Nothing substantial. I'm keeping my vote on you for now, Kash. I would vote for Gabriel, Herm, or biaga to avoid a no-lynch.
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I'm going to have a slow rear end start since replacing in is always tough for me for some reason. I need to interact to get reads more than reading up on things that happened.Hermetic posted:Wow, you jumped to some serious conclusions, given that I never said I thought you were scum, changed my vote, made an accusation, etc. I don't like this exchange between Kumba and Hermetic at all. Kumba did kind of jump to a conclusion there, but you did use the words "concretely scummy" which means he was the scummiest read to you at the moment - so in theory, what he said wasn't really that much of a stretch. He didn't really act super defensive in my eyes either.
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Oct 1, 2015 03:38
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##vote Hermetic Feeling good about this. I want to re-read Kash since people have spoke on him a bit - what's opportunistic about it? It's a weak vote, but it was an early vote and he admittedly said it was something small. I don't agree with it at all since Biaga reads fine to me, but Kash's vote doesn't really stick out to me one way or another.
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Oct 1, 2015 03:42
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Oct 1, 2015 03:43
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Deadbeat Dad posted:##vote Hermetic Well, part of the problem now is that Kash unvoted earlier and then still ended up going back to Biaga. So I'm not sure what's up with him. I am starting to agree that Hermetic might be scum.
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Oct 1, 2015 03:45
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Kashuno posted:Do people just not read in this game or????? I just want to know your opinions 
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Oct 1, 2015 03:46
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Colonel, how would it make any sense that Biaga is likely scum if I'm definitely scum? Do you think I'm doing some insane suicidal bussing strat? How have i rolled off the radar? I've been garnering votes all day and engaging the thread in discussion. Finding Gabriel's response to be weird doesn't insinuate in any way that I find Biaga to be town, and I don't get where you think I'm back pedaling there. Currently I think Gabriel is posting a lot, and not a ton that feels substantial to me. As we approach deadline, I'll want to see where their content goes or if it's mostly white noise. I haven't dodged an accusation and I think it's clear from that you aren't noting my reactions and are in fact trying to create a narrative to support your vote that doesn't exist.
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Oct 1, 2015 03:51
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TMMadman posted:Well, part of the problem now is that Kash unvoted earlier and then still ended up going back to Biaga. So I'm not sure what's up with him. I didn't unvote. A broken quote caused me to vote myself
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Oct 1, 2015 03:52
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Kashuno posted:I didn't unvote. A broken quote caused me to vote myself Oh my bad, I thought you did an unvote when you said you were going to read Hermetic.
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Oct 1, 2015 03:55
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Actually the amount of inconsistencies and weird story fabrications that I noticed, colonel is jumping on a vote and trying to gauge the feeling of the thread before it becomes a full wagon. ##vote colonel corazon
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Oct 1, 2015 03:56
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TMMadman posted:Oh my bad, I thought you did an unvote when you said you were going to read Hermetic. I have a null read on herm right now. They come across a bit condescending, but I don't know if that's necessarily scummy.
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Oct 1, 2015 03:57
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HERMETIC. WHO DO YOU THINK IS SCUMMY, AND WHY. This question is literally the entire raison d'etre of Mafia and you keep dancing around and evading questions instead of committing to any opinions.
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Oct 1, 2015 04:02
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Kashuno posted:Colonel, how would it make any sense that Biaga is likely scum if I'm definitely scum? Do you think I'm doing some insane suicidal bussing strat? Just because I think biaga could be scum doesn't mean I can't think you're scum as well. I feel like a lot of your answers earlier in the thread were pretty lackluster and it's looking like the votes adding onto you have finally pressured you into giving more of an opinion. Specifically, I think your  : attitude from earlier flew under the radar when it should have received more flak (Nth pointed it out earlier, too). I think it's weird that you weren't cool with Gabe's biaga vote and then suddenly voting biaga yourself. Your reactions now have been the most substantial they've been all day. But I think your performance so far has been pretty scummy and I'm still sticking by it.
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Oct 1, 2015 04:03
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TMM, give CC's post a read and then read my response. Let me know what you think. Tia
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Oct 1, 2015 04:03
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Kashuno posted:I don't get you, man. His callouts aren't related to people I've even commented on except for saying I need to reread herm thanks to Kumba. I'm not calling people out without giving alignments or backing my play, we aren't acting similarly or going after the same people. What makes you think that we're both scumbros? Literally one post later after I posted question blocks. One. Post. I didn't even think I was vote leader until after I just posted and checked vote finder, so lol at the idea that I'm responding more because of votes on me
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Oct 1, 2015 04:06
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Kashuno posted:Actually the amount of inconsistencies and weird story fabrications that I noticed, colonel is jumping on a vote and trying to gauge the feeling of the thread before it becomes a full wagon. What am I fabricating? If I just straight up made up something point it out at least. biaga's floundering under pressure but still being a town could be understandable since he's new (unlikely, I think he's prob scum), but I don't think you're making yourself look like much of a diamond with the pressure on you right now.
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Colonel Corazon posted:What am I fabricating? If I just straight up made up something point it out at least. biaga's floundering under pressure but still being a town could be understandable since he's new (unlikely, I think he's prob scum), but I don't think you're making yourself look like much of a diamond with the pressure on you right now. in what world is he scum with me? Why am I doubling down on my case instead of backing off??? Not to mention, in regards to not liking Gabriel's vote but then voting Biaga, it's almost like the post that Gabriel quoted in his vote wasn't the same as the one I used in my vote! Like we came to that conclusion in different ways! You are fabricating that I'm A) dodging questions B) somehow off people's radar C)by disagreeing with Gabriel that I found Biaga to be town
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