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Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Serenade posted:

My favorite part is the parade of "yes I do think I am above consequences"
If you have some sort of special power, isn't it your responsibility to do the right thing?

Y / N

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Scrree
Jan 16, 2008

the history of all dead generations,
So I just got the end of the game and beat the final boss

I killed Asgore, the flower mocked me and took the hearts, and my game hard crashed with a 'Windows is looking for a solution' prompt

Is this canon?

E-Tank
Aug 4, 2011

Scrree posted:

So I just got the end of the game and beat the final boss

I killed Asgore, the flower mocked me and took the hearts, and my game hard crashed with a 'Windows is looking for a solution' prompt

Is this canon?

poo poo that sounds like a bug that's going around. Try loading, it shouldn't have any issue this time. It's a one time bug thing.

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused

Scrree posted:

So I just got the end of the game and beat the final boss

I killed Asgore, the flower mocked me and took the hearts, and my game hard crashed with a 'Windows is looking for a solution' prompt

Is this canon?

Boot up the game. Prepare for silliness.

How Ingratiating!
Sep 7, 2011

Infinite ammo vs. CYBER PUNCH!!

Scrree posted:

So I just got the end of the game and beat the final boss

I killed Asgore, the flower mocked me and took the hearts, and my game hard crashed with a 'Windows is looking for a solution' prompt

Is this canon?

Sounds like a bug to me, you might wanna open the program again to make sure nothing got damaged.

edit: topic is about to get fun again!

Scaly Haylie
Dec 25, 2004

If you kill everyone but Papyrus, does it count as a genocide run?

Fridurmus
Nov 2, 2009

:black101: Break a leg! :black101:

Lizard Wizard posted:

If you kill everyone but Papyrus, does it count as a genocide run?

No.

Genocide means everything and everyone.

Iretep
Nov 10, 2009

Lizard Wizard posted:

If you kill everyone but Papyrus, does it count as a genocide run?

If you leave even one alive its not a genocide run. You get the neutral ending.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Lizard Wizard posted:

If you kill everyone but Papyrus, does it count as a genocide run?

Everything

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006
It counts as a you didn't do a violence! run.

Scrree
Jan 16, 2008

the history of all dead generations,
IT'S CANON FOLKS

Metrohunter
Sep 30, 2009

Ain't no thing like me, 'cept me.

Tunicate posted:

If you have some sort of special power, isn't it your responsibility to do the right thing?

Y / N

I'll make sure everyone gets what's coming to them in one timeline or another :byobear:

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused
I want to know what epilogue you get from Sans if you kill everything you possibly can aside from Papyrus.

VVVV The lines that change in repeat playthroughs suggest otherwise. On some level, some characters can feel what you are doing.

Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Oct 2, 2015

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

Internet Kraken posted:

Even the happiest days would start to stuck when you're stuck reliving them over and over and over Groundhogs day style. At some point, you need to just let things go.
It's not Groundhogs day style though. For them it's the first time, every time.

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

Tunicate posted:

If you have some sort of special power, isn't it your responsibility to do the right thing?

Y / N
In a videogame, N

Scaly Haylie
Dec 25, 2004

Ciaphas posted:

Everything

I'm still going to pet Lesser Dog out of the bottom of the screen before I kill him.

pog boyfriend
Jul 2, 2011

Internet Kraken posted:

I want to know what epilogue you get from Sans if you kill everything you possibly can aside from Papyrus.

king papyrus run. its one of the most tragic endings i think

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Internet Kraken posted:

I want to know what epilogue you get from Sans if you kill everything you possibly can aside from Papyrus.

I believe Papyrus becomes king of the underground. I think the evacuated people come back? There's a pretty sad thing where Papyrus keeps trying to call Undyne but she never answers. He thinks she's just on vacation and is having such a good time she's not answering, not realizing you murdered the poo poo out of her

Metrohunter
Sep 30, 2009

Ain't no thing like me, 'cept me.

IronicDongz posted:

It's not Groundhogs day style though. For them it's the first time, every time.

This is how Groundhog day went though? only Bill Murray could remember the events of each day. The only exception in this game is you

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Lizard Wizard posted:

I'm still going to pet Lesser Dog out of the bottom of the screen before I kill him.

acceptable

dmboogie
Oct 4, 2013

Tunicate posted:

If you have some sort of special power, isn't it your responsibility to do the right thing?

Y / N

yes? then why'd you kill my brother?

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

I found a Reddit post with transcripts of most neutral endings. The not-quite-genocide one is especially interesting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/3mq3bg/spoilers_how_about_a_compilation_of_all_of_the/

OrangeSoda
Oct 8, 2007

OrangeSoda digivolved into Monzaemon!

OrangeSoda has unlocked BEAR POWERS!
I just realized the statue with the music box in waterfall is a statue of Asriel looking miserable.

This game has alot details you never notice until you look back on them. Also alot of sad details :smith:

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

Metrohunter posted:

This is how Groundhog day went though? only Bill Murray could remember the events of each day. The only exception in this game is you
RIght. I'm saying they're not Bill Murray in this scenario, so it's not at all a bad thing for them.

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh


source not included because it's full of furry porn as per usual

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Fridurmus posted:

I mean, if he were actually dead, I could probably accept that. It bothers me a lot that we know he goes back to his eternal flowery hell of never feeling love again after the game ends. That's not being saved, unless I guess you accept that he probably offs himself not long after, but he'll always be there to talk you out of a True Reset, so that's not the case either.

I like to think that after he has some time to himself for a while in the underground, he might go explore the surface once he gets bored again. He said he didn't want his parents to see him and get their hearts broken again, but that doesn't mean he can't ever go to the surface and just avoid them. (and once he's back in flower form they wouldn't recognize him anyway, since his earlier interactions with them were reset)

He should have a lot more up there to occupy him, instead of being trapped in the crowded underground. Even if he can't actually feel love anymore, his monologue before you reset shows he was still changed by the experience. He still remembers what happened and that having a friend like Frisk was way more satisfying than being a crazy murderbot.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
Does the game allow you to have an ending where you kill everyone except for Temmie? And then Temmie becomes ruler of the underground?

E-Tank
Aug 4, 2011

IronicDongz posted:

RIght. I'm saying they're not Bill Murray in this scenario, so it's not at all a bad thing for them.

But they do remember you. Maybe not entirely. Maybe not super well. But there are hints that they remember. Like it's in their subconscious. Papyrus says you seem familiar, like an old friend long forgotten or something similar I believe.

That said the memories aren't always happy ones. The whole uncertainty about ever being free of the underground and whatnot.

Metrohunter
Sep 30, 2009

Ain't no thing like me, 'cept me.

Bifauxnen posted:

I like to think that after he has some time to himself for a while in the underground, he might go explore the surface once he gets bored again. He said he didn't want his parents to see him and get their hearts broken again, but that doesn't mean he can't ever go to the surface and just avoid them. (and once he's back in flower form they wouldn't recognize him anyway, since his earlier interactions with them were reset)

He should have a lot more up there to occupy him, instead of being trapped in the crowded underground. Even if he can't actually feel love anymore, his monologue before you reset shows he was still changed by the experience. He still remembers what happened and that having a friend like Frisk was way more satisfying than being a crazy murderbot.


Let's just get Alphys to suck the determination back out of him using the DT machine and finally let him rest

Myriad
Apr 26, 2010

IronicDongz posted:

source not included because it's full of furry porn as per usual

Can I get the name at least?

Scaly Haylie
Dec 25, 2004

Myriad posted:

Can I get the name at least?

Undyne.

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused

Irony Be My Shield posted:

I found a Reddit post with transcripts of most neutral endings. The not-quite-genocide one is especially interesting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/3mq3bg/spoilers_how_about_a_compilation_of_all_of_the/

quote:

PAPYRUS: IT'S LIKE A SLEEPOVER EVERY NIGHT!!!
PAPYRUS: A SLEEPOVER THERE'S NO ESCAPE FROM.

:v:

E-Tank posted:

But they do remember you. Maybe not entirely. Maybe not super well. But there are hints that they remember. Like it's in their subconscious. Papyrus says you seem familiar, like an old friend long forgotten or something similar I believe.

That said the memories aren't always happy ones. The whole uncertainty about ever being free of the underground and whatnot.

Yeah this is what I meant. Plus it stumbles upon all kinds of moral issues that, if these were real people, forcing them to constantly relive the same events just for your own pleasure is pretty hosed up. Even if those days would be considered "good", you're keeping them from ever forming any new experiences. Its saying the world revolves only around you, and what you want.

Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Oct 2, 2015

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



SoupyTwist posted:

Unless it's Jerry. gently caress that guy.
Why would you want to be around Jerry long enough to kill him. I mean really.

Tengames
Oct 29, 2008


Irony Be My Shield posted:

I found a Reddit post with transcripts of most neutral endings. The not-quite-genocide one is especially interesting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/3mq3bg/spoilers_how_about_a_compilation_of_all_of_the/

you know one thing I always wondered about the neutral endings and the good one neutral ending has the kill/spare Flowey scene then has frisk walk out past the barrier. how does they do that if they didn't have the human + monster soul required?

the other thing was where the souls all go after the final boss fights?( it gets mentioned they vanish in the endings). Its hard to tell exactly with the sprite's but if you go back to the coffins in the pacifist epilogue, it looks like they all got opened

Tengames fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Oct 2, 2015

Parts Kit
Jun 9, 2006

durr
i have a hole in my head
durr

YggiDee posted:

I love this thread :allears:
Still won out in the end. Only took like 50 tries. :v:

Tetracube
Feb 12, 2014

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
http://undertale.tumblr.com/post/130304472455/undertale-merchandise-coming-soon

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

Internet Kraken posted:

Yeah this is what I meant. Plus it stumbles upon all kinds of moral issues that, if these were real people, forcing them to constantly relive the same events just for your own pleasure is pretty hosed up. Even if those days would be considered "good", you're keeping them from ever forming any new experiences. Its saying the world revolves only around you, and what you want.
Well, the "if these were real people" bit is sort of where that falls apart

Tengames posted:

you know one thing I always wondered about the neutral endings and the good one neutral ending has the kill/spare Flowey scene then has frisk walk out past the barrier. how does they do that if thry didn't have the human + monster soul required?
You just need a very powerful soul to get through, and Frisk has a powerful soul already. Papryus says this before you leave snowdin.

Myriad posted:

Can I get the name at least?
guoh

Opposing Farce
Apr 1, 2010

Ever since our drop-off service, I never read a book.
There's always something else around, plus I owe the library nineteen bucks.

IronicDongz posted:

RIght. I'm saying they're not Bill Murray in this scenario, so it's not at all a bad thing for them.

you can't understand how this feels.

knowing that one day, without warning... it's all going to be reset.

look, i gave up trying to go back a long time ago.

and getting to the surface doesn't really appeal anymore, either.

cause even if we do... we'll just end up right back here, without any memory of it, right?


To be honest the genocide route brings up a lot of stuff that's relevant even to people who just play the pacifist route over and over, because ultimately it all comes down to the same thing: you gotta learn to let go. One Undertale's more understated themes is the tension between the desire to pick everything apart and tease out every tiny bit of alternate content and essentially "solve" the game because it affected you in some way and you want to hold onto that experience, and the fact that doing so means you lose what made playing the game special in the first place until you're left with nothing more than a series of inputs and outputs. The point of Flowey's post-true ending pleading isn't just to guilt-trip you out of doing a genocide run; it's also the game's way of trying to convince you to move on and let that experience you had be what it was, instead of tying it to a chair and trying to beat every last bit of content out of it until there's nothing left.

Here in this thread we're pretty much all guilty of trying to wring every last little piece out of Undertale--I know I certainly am--and honestly that's pretty much inevitable given the nature of online fandom. Toby Fox pretty clearly understands that, and I don't think the game actually has a problem with stuff like showing off cool/surprising one-off interactions or making cool fanart or speculating about its remaining mysteries. Still, it has a pretty clear message about replayability, interactive narratives, and the player's desire for closure and tendency towards completionism, and I think you're kind of missing the point.

Opposing Farce fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Oct 2, 2015

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

Iretep posted:

If you leave even one alive its not a genocide run. You get the neutral ending.

Man, I think a lot of the neutral endings are even worse than the actual genocide ending.

For example,

Internet Kraken posted:

I want to know what epilogue you get from Sans if you kill everything you possibly can aside from Papyrus.

Papyrus runs the underground with Sans's help but thinks that all his friends went away on a long vacation and is waiting for them to come back with souvenirs. :negative: I may have been beaten on saying that, but that ending and the Alphys ending (do full genocide but then go easy on Mettatron NEO) hurt the worst.

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curiousCat
Sep 23, 2012

Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?
I can't wait for the merch.

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