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Ash1138 posted:Yeah the sad fact is that she's too old to break into Hollywood on her own and if she thinks that Squadron 42 is going to jumpstart her career because she'll get exposure alongside big name actors and actresses, she's in for a surprise. This is a very complicated way of presenting the goon go-to advice "Sever!"
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Well poirot is dead. And these guys love taking off and putting on their oxygen masks. "THIS TAKES BALLS" ShredsYouSay fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Oct 11, 2015 |
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So I was thinking, even if they have pretty much blown all their cash reserves on cocaine and Garry Oldman, don't they pull in ~$20k a day from the subscribers and whatnot, even on the bad days? Not counting the $1m sales days. I know things have been declining, but presuming the majority of their outlay is on staff now (350 of them I think?) then it looks to me like they can spin this thing out for another year at least even with a drop-off in the big sales. After all, I haven't seen anyone arguing that they have anything less than $8m in the bank right now. What do game production staff get paid anyway? I never hear anything good about employment in the games industry. What would the average CIG employee's wage be (obviously excluding stuff like $500k cheques to Sandi or whatever)? I suppose they must also be paying a lot for these consultants on the performance capture stuff, plus office upkeep and equipment/server rent. Still, I'm thinking it's possible they could come out with some form of SQ42 episode at the end of next year, though I can't see how it won't still be janky as gently caress by then. Guess we'll just have to see how the numbers go over the next 30 days to get an indication of what's in store for the sustainability of their finances. Sure is a fascinating (and horrifying) thing, this Star Citizen.
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ShredsYouSay posted:Wow, 20 minutes in, and this Wing Commander film is atrocious. Ah, this explains why our galaxy exploded yesterday and we're all dead now.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:36
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I'm thinking legal fees might put a dent in their war chest soon.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:37
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Is that pilot dead? We don't know? PUSH HER OFF THE LANDING PAD FOR SOME REASON WITH A SPACE BULLDOZER. Oh the humanity. I'm guessing Star Citizen's cutscenes will be up to this caliber of nonsense
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Oct 11, 2015 21:39
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All they need to do is to tell everyone that he's spent hundreds of dollars on jpegs, lmao.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:41
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El Grillo posted:So I was thinking, even if they have pretty much blown all their cash reserves on cocaine and Garry Oldman, don't they pull in ~$20k a day from the subscribers and whatnot, even on the bad days? Not counting the $1m sales days. I know things have been declining, but presuming the majority of their outlay is on staff now (350 of them I think?) then it looks to me like they can spin this thing out for another year at least even with a drop-off in the big sales. After all, I haven't seen anyone arguing that they have anything less than $8m in the bank right now. If they have only 8 million in the bank and 350 employees I doubt they could stretch that out for more than 4-5 months. That's only $22k per employee and I doubt they're being paid minimum wage - gently caress knows what other costs they'd have on top of that. It seems unlikely that they're down to 8 million but if they are the wheels are gonna come off this thing way before the end of 2016.
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This whole thing does make me wonder how many times I'm going to see the "creative visionary" given complete control of new personal project and completely fucks it up in my lifetime.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:42
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El Grillo posted:What do game production staff get paid anyway? I never hear anything good about employment in the games industry. The number I usually hear is that the average game production staff costs $10k a month to keep on (including salary and associated variable costs). So 350 staff would come to like $42 million per year.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:42
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So, you should all watch the cake cutting potion of the stream again. I think it's the most telling part of the whole thing. He has no idea how to cut a cake, says so, and keeps cutting.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:43
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El Grillo posted:So I was thinking, even if they have pretty much blown all their cash reserves on cocaine and Garry Oldman, don't they pull in ~$20k a day from the subscribers and whatnot, even on the bad days? Not counting the $1m sales days. I know things have been declining, but presuming the majority of their outlay is on staff now (350 of them I think?) then it looks to me like they can spin this thing out for another year at least even with a drop-off in the big sales. After all, I haven't seen anyone arguing that they have anything less than $8m in the bank right now. 260 staff / 20k is $76 each, not counting rent. But yeah say they cut to 2 million a month, they might be able to keep going for another year. But what will they produce in a year of reduced output given what we've seen in the last year?
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Oct 11, 2015 21:44
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ShredsYouSay posted:Is that pilot dead? We don't know? PUSH HER OFF THE LANDING PAD FOR SOME REASON WITH A SPACE BULLDOZER. Is the pilot black ? Push her off the landing pad with the Sandidozer !!! (she was black, and female too)
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Oct 11, 2015 21:45
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Steve2911 posted:The number I usually hear is that the average game production staff costs $10k a month to keep on (including salary and associated variable costs). So 350 staff would come to like $42 million per year. Yeah, so that'd be game over by December if they only had 8 million left. There's no way that's true - but it's interesting to think about. What would they do if this was the case? Well they'd probably start selling ludicrously expensive ship packages to try to squeeze the last they can out of the remaining whales... humzz.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:45
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Chalks posted:If they have only 8 million in the bank and 350 employees I doubt they could stretch that out for more than 4-5 months. That's only $22k per employee and I doubt they're being paid minimum wage - gently caress knows what other costs they'd have on top of that. Hence the referal program, new super heavy fighter and unlimited ammount of Idris corvete (now bumped to frigate).
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Oct 11, 2015 21:46
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Chalks posted:Well they'd probably start selling ludicrously expensive ship packages to try to squeeze the last they can out of the remaining whales... humzz. Nah man that's crazy. But hey, can I give you my referral code. I'm only two people away from Fishtank 2.0.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:47
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Given this post, and the two Derek Smart hate-subs r/dereksmart and r/shitdereksmartsays, I'm wondering how long until the Star Citizen sub gets shut down. I sent a message to one of the admins yesterday when they were actively using the sub to shut streams down however no response.
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Matlock Birthmark posted:This whole thing does make me wonder how many times I'm going to see the "creative visionary" given complete control of new personal project and completely fucks it up in my lifetime. I know it's not exactly equivalent, but I still haven't recovered from The Matrix sequels. Watching CIG burn is part of my healing process.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:48
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I can't wait to see the posts when CIG folds and the whales are publicly crying about fraud and 'WE JUST DIDNT KNOW, ALL MY MONEY IS GONE' Gonna own
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A Neurotic Jew posted:I know it's not exactly equivalent, but I still haven't recovered from The Matrix sequels. Watching CIG burn is part of my healing process. Seriously? It's been 12 years. It's time to let go.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:49
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Furiously posted:So, you should all watch the cake cutting potion of the stream again. I think it's the most telling part of the whole thing. Who on this world over 7 doesn't know hot to cut a cake? What kind of life would someone live in order to have never cut one? It's not a big deal but just highly unusual for western culture 
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Oct 11, 2015 21:50
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Eonwe posted:I can't wait to see the posts when CIG folds and the whales are publicly crying about fraud and 'WE JUST DIDNT KNOW, ALL MY MONEY IS GONE' It is pretty nice of everyone who's still deep into this to act like such utter tossers in the face of any and all criticism, it means there's no need to feel sorry for them at all when it all goes to hell. Get your refunds in now folks, last chance before the money dries up! Furiously posted:So, you should all watch the cake cutting potion of the stream again. I think it's the most telling part of the whole thing. And then he spits all over it. It's glorious.
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Eonwe posted:I can't wait to see the posts when CIG folds and the whales are publicly crying about fraud and 'WE JUST DIDNT KNOW, ALL MY MONEY IS GONE' It's hard to say what's going to happen. CIG folding, releasing a mediocre product, a sudden, violent moment of realization among the cult. It could be almost anything. But regardless of what happens, it will be hilarious.
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El Grillo posted:So I was thinking, even if they have pretty much blown all their cash reserves on cocaine and Garry Oldman, don't they pull in ~$20k a day from the subscribers and whatnot, even on the bad days? Not counting the $1m sales days. I know things have been declining, but presuming the majority of their outlay is on staff now (350 of them I think?) then it looks to me like they can spin this thing out for another year at least even with a drop-off in the big sales. After all, I haven't seen anyone arguing that they have anything less than $8m in the bank right now. Most game dev jobs pay less than other programming jobs. But experienced people are still costly. I don't think CIG is attracting the caliber of talent it needs. No matter what they say, people in any industry gossip. And I can't imagine anyone would recommend them working there at this point. Matlock Birthmark posted:This whole thing does make me wonder how many times I'm going to see the "creative visionary" given complete control of new personal project and completely fucks it up in my lifetime. Part of 'creative visionary's' success relies on pressure, constructive criticism and a creative team. Look at the first Star Wars. poo poo was awful, budget was running low, things had to be cut or edited. The vision had to be compromised, but it turned out amazing because there were people there with skill and experience to say 'no, this isn't going to work' or 'no, this is dumb'. Look when Lucas had full reign and nobody there willing to criticize him. He went from 'creative visionary' to an absolute joke. Movies and games are not made in a vacuum. They require teams of skilled people to rally around a person. In 'Breaking Bad', Vince Gilligan didn't surround himself with yes men. He wanted to have that criticism. If he had a dumb idea, he wanted to be called out on it. And the show turned out to be one of the best shows ever. Even if you are a solo creative type like a writer, you need an editor there to help you. A good editor is amazing. Even in science, things are done in teams. The lone genius that stays a lone genius is incredibly rare. Because it is nearly impossible to let that poo poo not go to your head. You need someone there who has perspective that you don't have. And that's fine. To get caught up in your own hype and bullshit leads to the Phantom Menace Prequels and Star Citizen.
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Eonwe posted:I can't wait to see the posts when CIG folds and the whales are publicly crying about fraud and 'WE JUST DIDNT KNOW, ALL MY MONEY IS GONE' That won't happen. They'll blame Goons, Derek Smart, Escapist, and a bunch of other people for the incompetence of Christ Roberts, PBUH.
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Oct 11, 2015 21:51
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He is just a creative soul who wanted to cut the cake in concentric circles
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Steve2911 posted:The number I usually hear is that the average game production staff costs $10k a month to keep on (including salary and associated variable costs). So 350 staff would come to like $42 million per year. Christ. Don't know what the 'average game production staff' means but are you saying the average wage at CIG could be $120,000? Had no idea game staff would earn so much.
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OhDearGodNo posted:Who on this world over 7 doesn't know hot to cut a cake? What kind of life would someone live in order to have never cut one? It's not a big deal but just highly unusual for western culture When you dedicate much of your life to chopping loose powder into perfect slices, coming face to face with a solid rhombus of spongy material would be confusing and intimidating. Also, the blade's handle was on the side, Chris saw no way of keeping his knuckles clean with that sort of cutting tool.
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El Grillo posted:Christ. Don't know what the 'average game production staff' means but are you saying the average wage at CIG could be $120,000? Had no idea game staff would earn so much. No. That's not what I said at all.
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El Grillo posted:Christ. Don't know what the 'average game production staff' means but are you saying the average wage at CIG could be $120,000? Had no idea game staff would earn so much. No. There are overhead costs to employing somebody, other than just their base salary.
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El Grillo posted:Christ. Don't know what the 'average game production staff' means but are you saying the average wage at CIG could be $120,000? Had no idea game staff would earn so much. Well, you need experienced people for a game on the scale of Star Citizen and those people don't come cheap.
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I think it's already confirmed they work for below the industry standard in wages at CIG
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ShredsYouSay posted:I would kinda like to see an inflation corrected version of that list of videogames.
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Ah, and now Wing Commander has a really lovely fps section. It looks a lot like the teaser but the smoke is green. ITS NOT FAITH ITS GENETICS ShredsYouSay fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Oct 11, 2015 |
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Eonwe posted:I can't wait to see the posts when CIG folds and the whales are publicly crying about fraud and 'WE JUST DIDNT KNOW, ALL MY MONEY IS GONE' Going to be awesome when octopode suck-starts a 12-gauge 
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Octopedo posted:$0 = 1 btc Hi seraph.
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El Grillo posted:Christ. Don't know what the 'average game production staff' means but are you saying the average wage at CIG could be $120,000? Had no idea game staff would earn so much. Overheads are pretty high. You've gotta pay for rent on an office, insurance, lease line internet connectivity, computers and other equipment, email servers, software licenses etc etc. Then you've gotta pay the guy's salary on top of that. I've heard it said that the cost of employing someone is about 50% salary 50% other expenses.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Going to be awesome when octopode suck-starts a 12-gauge Be honest, you'd help him pull the trigger wouldn't you?
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Octopedo posted:Development costs only, marketing costs excluded for fair comparison. 2015 calculated at USD $250 = 1 btc What the gently caress at your name now 
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Ohhhhhhhh I'm mobile. It's seraph
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