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Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Pauline Kael posted:

Of course, fast food places in the soviet bloc were plentiful and robust


may germany some day regain its former lands.

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Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Moridin920 posted:

well yeah the pertinent piece of information there being 'CEO convinced the shareholders to vote the other dude off the board.' Other than that persuasive power, the CEO has no ability to fire a board member. That's all with the other board members slash majority shareholders.

The reason CEOs get traded around like athletes and get paid so much with such nice severances is because the corporate culture has created this phenomenon where boards think that's what it takes to get a talented executive. It's not a question of is the CEO overpaid, it's a question of 'if we don't give the CEO millions then we'll never get a good CEO because they'll all go work somewhere that will give them millions.' It's kind of a crazy game that has come about in the last couple decades.

imo CEO wages should be somehow tied to the wages of the lowest rung employee so if he wants to give himself a $10m/yr salary great but they have to pay their employees say 1/100th of that as their yearly salary minimum. Make that a federal law and watch the wealth gap shrink.

good luck

naem
May 29, 2011

Moridin920 posted:

well yeah the pertinent piece of information there being 'CEO convinced the shareholders to vote the other dude off the board.'

The reason CEOs get traded around like athletes and get paid so much with such nice severances is because the corporate culture has created this phenomenon where boards think that's what it takes to get a talented executive. It's not a question of is the CEO overpaid, it's a question of 'if we don't give the CEO millions then we'll never get a good CEO because they'll all go work somewhere that will give them millions.' It's kind of a crazy game that has come about in the last couple decades.

imo CEO wages should be somehow tied to the wages of the lowest rung employee so if he wants to give himself a $10m/yr salary great but they have to pay their employees say 1/100th of that as their yearly salary minimum. Make that a federal law and watch the wealth gap shrink.

They'd just create a new position called the executive chief grand high poobah to earn the millions and pay lawmakers to exclude it from the law and pay some nobody the call himself the CEO

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
McDonalds is what ISIS wishes it was

except the fat neckbeards eating there already

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Well yeah obviously that plan assumes a not hosed up oligarchic government to begin with.

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


Tezzor posted:

you are smooth as a ken doll.

you're the one that chopped your dick off

Pauline Kael
Oct 9, 2012

by Shine

Tezzor posted:

you are smooth as a ken doll.

Be that as it may, I'm waiting with baited breath for you to drop bombs of wisdom on us normals ITT

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Also this whole full capitalism or full Soviet style communism false dichotomy this forum loves is retarded as hell.

Guess what every single modern nation has admitted socialism has merit and has enacted socialist policy because they all realized free market capitalism was utter fuckery 100+ years ago. Yeah, even the USA. It's called welfare, social security, etc.

The question is just what mix of capitalism/socialism is best. imo capitalism is fine for most things but important industries (energy, telecomms, medicine) that are vital to the public interest should be publicly owned/controlled so you don't have retards saying poo poo like 'we're in the business of making money, not helping sick people.'

Saying "ah, but the USSR!" is not any kind of slam dunk argument unless you are 15.

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Moridin920 posted:

Also this whole full capitalism or full Soviet style communism false dichotomy this forum loves is retarded as hell.

Guess what every single modern nation has admitted socialism has merit and has enacted socialist policy because they all realized free market capitalism was utter fuckery 100+ years ago. Yeah, even the USA. It's called welfare, social security, etc.

The question is just what mix of capitalism/socialism is best. imo Capitalism is fine for most things but important industries (energy, telecomms, medicine) that are vital to the public interest should be publicly owned/controlled so you don't have retards saying poo poo like 'we're in the business of making money, not helping sick people.'

Saying "ah, but the USSR!" is not any kind of slam dunk argument unless you are 15.

goons are retards who think everything is either one way or the other with zero middle ground on every single issue

the mindset mostly comes from never having to deal with actual irl problems and working with people to solve them from my experience

Tezzor
Jul 29, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 3 years!

Justin Tyme posted:

you're the one that chopped your dick off

lies

Tezzor
Jul 29, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 3 years!

Pauline Kael posted:

Be that as it may, I'm waiting with baited breath for you to drop bombs of wisdom on us normals ITT

don't flatter yourself lol

Wicker Man
Sep 5, 2007

Just like Columbus...


Clapping Larry
Capitalism is slavery/serfdom LITE.

Tezzor
Jul 29, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 3 years!

Moridin920 posted:

Also this whole full capitalism or full Soviet style communism false dichotomy this forum loves is retarded as hell.

Guess what every single modern nation has admitted socialism has merit and has enacted socialist policy because they all realized free market capitalism was utter fuckery 100+ years ago. Yeah, even the USA. It's called welfare, social security, etc.

The question is just what mix of capitalism/socialism is best. imo capitalism is fine for most things but important industries (energy, telecomms, medicine) that are vital to the public interest should be publicly owned/controlled so you don't have retards saying poo poo like 'we're in the business of making money, not helping sick people.'

Saying "ah, but the USSR!" is not any kind of slam dunk argument unless you are 15.

you are talking about the social-democratic welfare state. socialism is the worker ownership of the means of production. no country has enacted this

Humboldt Squid
Jan 21, 2006

Imo what mcdonalds needs to do is just have q giant trough in the middle of the place that"s filled with pipin hot hamboigahs

revmoo
May 25, 2006

#basta

Possibly true but,

Tezzor yes, no, are you or have you in the past taken any kind of hormone treatment?

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Tezzor posted:

you are talking about the social-democratic welfare state. socialism is the worker ownership of the means of production. no country has enacted this

this is the kind of simplistic poo poo I'm talking about.

socialism is much more complex than just 'worker ownership of the means of production'


quote:

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership and control[1] of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy,[2][3] as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.[4][5] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership (achieved by nationalization), citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these.[6] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.[7]


Anyway back to McD's: I used to like going there on occasion just for a cheat meal every now and again but every time without fail it is expensive and underwhelming so I just go to In-n-Out instead even though it isn't quite the same 'cheat fast food' feeling I'm looking for.

Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Oct 20, 2015

Tezzor
Jul 29, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 3 years!

revmoo posted:

Possibly true but,

Tezzor yes, no, are you or have you in the past taken any kind of hormone treatment?

no

Tezzor
Jul 29, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 3 years!

Moridin920 posted:

this is the kind of simplistic poo poo I'm talking about.

socialism is much more complex than just 'worker ownership of the means of production'


lol

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




They should bring back lard IMO. Deep frying in shortening is bullshit.

And go back to deep frying the pie. Crunchy greasy pie was great, the limp 'baked' pies suck.

TEAH SYAG
Oct 2, 2009

by Lowtax

They should let me shoot shotguns out of the pickup window and push the remains into a recycler

Pauline Kael
Oct 9, 2012

by Shine

Moridin920 posted:

this is the kind of simplistic poo poo I'm talking about.

socialism is much more complex than just 'worker ownership of the means of production'


Jesus Christ shut the gently caress up with your faggotry. What is it a slow day over in D&D in the 9600 page thread about which precise sub ideology of Marxism is The One True Way?

Pauline Kael
Oct 9, 2012

by Shine

Them titties is natural? Hiyooooooo

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
lol if youre not down to poo poo all over internet socialist ideology all the time

Pauline Kael
Oct 9, 2012

by Shine

Robo Reagan posted:

lol if youre not down to poo poo all over internet socialist ideology all the time

Right leave it to goddamned D&D socialists (they refer to themselves as signal boosting super heroes ) to come poo poo up a thread about fast food. Abloo abloo ceo pay abloo abloo means of production. Tezzor leaving D&D to post in tha trout lowers the posting quality in both places

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
lol if you come to SA for quality

lorn Wayne
Jan 7, 2006

:staredog::meowth::pipe:
man i sure love my armchair (gaming chair) ideologies, here please read my 600 page dissertation on why a blend of socio-commu-capitalism will make anime and the marvel universe real *snarfs down mcdonalds and imported ale*

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Pauline Kael posted:

Right leave it to goddamned D&D socialists (they refer to themselves as signal boosting super heroes ) to come poo poo up a thread about fast food. Abloo abloo ceo pay abloo abloo means of production. Tezzor leaving D&D to post in tha trout lowers the posting quality in both places

I just like talking about the fast food business model (McDonald's was basically copied by everyone and the whole franchise mindset is the hook for alot of MLMs today)

We laugh and we learn - lots of interesting mcdonalds stories here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDFaEBjA7PU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hI0qMtdfng

The Fattest PI
Mar 4, 2008
Garbage food for garbage people. If anything about their changes or food or prices bothers you then lol what's it like being a garbage person

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
mcdonalds is good every once in a while

The Fattest PI
Mar 4, 2008
True, Mcdonalds is good when I'm pants making GBS threads drunk.
Other things that are good when I'm pants making GBS threads drunk:
making GBS threads my pants
Pissing my pants
having sex with disgusting fat trolls
fingering my own rear end in a top hat

So I guess it keeps good company

Furious Mittens
Oct 14, 2005

Lipstick Apathy

Gabriel Pope posted:

It's not especially bad and lord knows there are plenty of small time places that manage to do it worse somehow, but it is a long way from "pretty drat good", especially given the price. The coffee's cheap and very decent, though.

The Coffee is pretty great for a cheap cup of joe on the way to work on those mornings when there isn't enough time to brew my own. Outside of that, the food is pretty horrible. A coworker used to get it every morning for breakfast and the breakfast went to poo poo after they went to the all day thing.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

The Fattest PI posted:

True, Mcdonalds is good when I'm pants making GBS threads drunk.
Other things that are good when I'm pants making GBS threads drunk:
making GBS threads my pants
Pissing my pants
having sex with disgusting fat trolls
fingering my own rear end in a top hat

So I guess it keeps good company

dude stop doing Mcdonald's marketing for them

Secks Cauldron
Aug 26, 2006

I thought they closed that place down!

revmoo posted:

Here's how you fix McDonalds:

- Rip all of the yuppie crap off the menus like cappucinos and fruit salads and whatever other lame poo poo they're doing these days
- Go back to the basics. People like McDonalds food for a reason and it's not because the burgers are made with artisinal flatbread. Also having a complex menu makes it harder to keep quality up. Their menu should be less than 10 items. Total. Fries, McNuggets, Burgers, Big Macs, shakes, and that's about it.
- Focus on quality control HARD. One gristly McNugget turns me off for years. Wilted fries are fuckin gross and people remember that poo poo. Their business model is BUILT around sameness, this IS THEIR CORE COMPETENCY GOOD LORD HOW ARE THEY loving THIS UP SO BAD!?! Imagine if every Coca-Cola you bought was slightly different.
- Slash prices. Subsidize this by cutting the yuppie crap and marketing budget
- Get rid of the "McCafe" garbage interior design. I don't want to stand in line in a Panera that smells like loving fryer grease
- Stop freaking out about every dip in sales and trying to redo everything to make up for it.
Solid plan, Gordon Ramsay.

Dick Fagballzson
Sep 29, 2005
McDonalds is just slightly above ramen noodles or eating out of a dumpster, and even then, it depends on the dumpster. Jacking up prices and hipsterizing the menu have only made things worse. At least before it was cheap. Now it doesn't even have that going for it.

Dick Fagballzson fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Oct 21, 2015

Drunk Nerds
Jan 25, 2011

Just close your eyes
Fun Shoe
Just went to this Business Insider article about the issue.
The comments section is delightfully senile and racist
http://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-franchisees-say-the-brand-is-in-a-deep-depression-2015-10

Realist on Oct 16, 9:51 PM said:
The problem is two-fold.
1) Stop hiring illegals to work the stores. America is fed up with that crap.
2) Welfare recipients can by filet and lobster with the checks they are getting. Why would they go to Mickey D's to get served a nasty burger served by some illegal?

Nunyour on Oct 17, 2:16 PM said:
@Jim B.: If someone were to make sure there were no illegal Mexicans, muslim refugees, or immigrant muslims preparing my meals I might start eating there again. Then too, I might not get sick as often as I did when I ate there. I don't trust them at all!


JOHN T. FOX on Oct 16, 9:07 PM said:
@Founders1791: WHEN I WAS A KID I COULD GET 2 PLAIN HAMBURGERS, FRIES AND A SODA FOR $2.02. I DON'T EAT OUT AT ALL ANY MORE. CRACKER BARREL IS THE BEST PLACE TO EAT OUT NOW. GUNS ON THE WALL, THEY SPEAK AND UNDERSTAND AMERICAN, CLEAN AND HIGH QUALITY FOOD UNDER $10.

Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Oct 21, 2015

snakeandbake
Aug 21, 2012

by exmarx
those are actually really good comments

Roy
Sep 24, 2007

Wicker Man posted:

Capitalism is slavery/serfdom LITE.

So what. It's also great.

Baba Ganoush
Oct 12, 2014
Dinosaur Gum
this is the McDonalds CEO who just resigned

The one responsible for higher prices and the 'select' menu.

I know exactly what happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHDwRECFL8M

Toadvine
Mar 16, 2009
Please disregard my advice w/r/t history.
This thread... I'm burgin. Hard.

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Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Baba Ganoush posted:

this is the McDonalds CEO who just resigned

The one responsible for higher prices and the 'select' menu.

I know exactly what happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHDwRECFL8M

$20m+ severance dehumanize and face the ronald

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