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He's not discounting murder as a possible good thing, but it is still murder.
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Arguing about what words mean is boring so let me just say this: I am glad that the man was shot in the head for his crimes
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at the end mika is gonna disable the Big Bad, get out of his silly robot, and blow the enemy's head off 
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Above Our Own posted:As for all the hand wringing about executing an unarmed prisoner, I mean, for a capital offense that's kind of what you do. You don't give them a gun post sentencing and challenge them to pistols at dawn. They're a private company. It's not a "capital offense." They are not in any capacity a nation or state.
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i hope this discussion gets taken prisoner and executed
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Davincie posted:i hope this discussion gets taken prisoner and executed
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Above Our Own posted:Arguing about what words mean is boring so let me just say this: I am glad that the man was shot in the head for his crimes You're really good at being willfully obtuse and I don't really know what to say if you don't feel a little uncomfortable about a scene where a child dispassionately shoots a bound man in the head execution style while he begs for mercy, regardless of how much of a total dick that guy is. I'm positive that it's not really meant to be a "gently caress YEAH, JUSTICE!" scene.
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He wasn't begging for poo poo. After he realized he wasn't threatening his way out of it, he begrudgingly changed tactics and even then was making threats.
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I think it's bad to shoot people and to kill them and also that death penalty? It's wack!!
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Kanos posted:You're really good at being willfully obtuse and I don't really know what to say if you don't feel a little uncomfortable about a scene where a child dispassionately shoots a bound man in the head execution style while he begs for mercy, regardless of how much of a total dick that guy is. I'm positive that it's not really meant to be a "gently caress YEAH, JUSTICE!" scene.
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A show can feature giant robots smashing each other AND make you uncomfortable with the violence involved. Gundam tries to do that on a regular basis with mixed levels of success. IBO more than most as every single fight so far has been bloody and uncomfortable and involved suffering on the part of everyone involved in a real blatant way.
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ImpAtom posted:A show can feature giant robots smashing each other AND make you uncomfortable with the violence involved. Gundam tries to do that on a regular basis with mixed levels of success.
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no such thing as an anti-war film
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When I saw the execution scene, the first thing that came to mind was stuff like when a defeated army's commander would be publicly executed as a sign to his troops that the battle was lost. Since the Tekkadan are kids, I think it's more an issue of physical strength in restraining a grown military man. As it is, they had to knock them all out, restrain them, and THEN execute the leader. Because they're kids, they may not immediately see how killing a restrained man in cold blood is any different from the old timey public execution. They may have just gone with what was the easiest. Unfortunately they still murdered a restrained man in cold blood, and that is just not how you do things. You can argue just cause and all that, but there is a way to do away with a defeated enemy leader and they did not do it.
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Motto posted:no such thing as an anti-war film Come and See.
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lol I was going to say Come and See too but I felt like it would open a whole new can of worms.
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muike posted:lol I was going to say Come and See too but I felt like it would open a whole new can of worms. There's tons of movies that I would say are objectively anti war films, but those usually end up the movies that are framed from the perspectives of powerless people who are in the path of the conflict as opposed to the stories of soldiers, which often end up with a heroic bent to them.
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Shinjobi posted:You can argue just cause and all that, but there is a way to do away with a defeated enemy leader and they did not do it. They also may not have known of them, or had the luxury to accommodate those methods even if they did. They obviously did the best they could come up with, but it's not like child soldiers who can't even read should be expected to know the morally correct way to judge and sentence prisoners.
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Motto posted:no such thing as an anti-war film You've never seen How I Won the War, I take it?
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Sharkopath posted:There's tons of movies that I would say are objectively anti war films, but those usually end up the movies that are framed from the perspectives of powerless people who are in the path of the conflict as opposed to the stories of soldiers, which often end up with a heroic bent to them. "There's no such thing as an anti-war film" is a thing a dude said once and gets mindlessly quoted a lot, but isn't actually true.
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Well, gis point remain true: that ir's hard to make a truly anti-war film. It's human nature to want nice stories with heroes that stop the bad things. And even the bleakest movies can have people finding stuff cool about it. Like some people thinl Apocalypse Now is awesome. Surfing in a war? That's badass! But a thing being hard does not make it impossible.
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What I found most disturbing about how Mika executed Crank was that he didn't let the man finish his last words. I assume Mika didn't think Crank deserved to. Or he just didn't consider it important at all.
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Green Intern posted:What I found most disturbing about how Mika executed Crank was that he didn't let the man finish his last words. I assume Mika didn't think Crank deserved to. I assumed he felt it was best to just get it done with without drawing the old man's death out.
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 This Mobile Suit has literal jackboots...Not necessarily a spoiler if you don't care about looking at art for mobile suits that haven't shown up yet.
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I assume he didn't want Crank sitting there waiting for the bullet he knew was coming and did it when it was unexpected to save him that misery.
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Oct 21, 2015 23:06
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I think Mika just doesn't put much value on last words
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If they're still talking, they're not currently trying to kill you. Safest time to shoot them.
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Green Intern posted:What I found most disturbing about how Mika executed Crank was that he didn't let the man finish his last words. I assume Mika didn't think Crank deserved to. Probably the latter. Orga told him to kill Crank, and then Crank asked him to do it as well. I doubt he saw any reason to delay it. If anything Mika just seems to consider it kinda strange Crank was asking for a mercy kill at all. He looks away and starts scratching his head as if he doesn't really get what he's talking about.
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I feel like it would've been incredibly dangerous to leave Crank/that other guy alive, and it seems that Mars is pretty lawless so I don't know that having a third party adjudicate the situation was possible. Gjallarhorn represents a more legitimized goverenment but their MO seems to be shoot children first, seek a diplomatic solution never so I think Orga just picked the best option out of a plate of lovely options. Everyone keeps saying cold blood but I think summarily executing a war criminal isn't really an evil thing. What was shocking about the scene was watching a child double tap a guy on the ground with no pity or remorse. I don't disagree that it's like woah but given the context I don't think it shows any moral deficiency on the part of the MC's, quite the opposite. Kids have some serious balls
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Epic robot warcrimes itt
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Namtab posted:Epic robot warcrimes itt
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Above Our Own posted:*licks lips war crimefully* I have evolved
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Namtab posted:Epic robot warcrimes itt All of you that have never been listened to before and have seen your family killed, huh, you now have something that stands for you. You now have something that stands for you! (I watched the movie today)
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A military tribunal should've been set up and the series should have made pivot to a courtroom drama anime imho. Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron Blooded Orphans: JAG
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boom boom boom posted:"There's no such thing as an anti-war film" is a thing a dude said once and gets mindlessly quoted a lot, but isn't actually true. It's not an absolute, but it's a good description of a phenomenon that's fairly common, especially in media like anime that has vocal audience segments cheering at the prospect of killhappy main characters because that's "badass" and "realistic". Not saying anybody here's like that, I was just reminded of it.
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There are no Laws on mars, idiots. Can't wait for the Gundam Sheriff to roll into town and stop The Iron Rose gang.
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I still think one of my favorite setting details is that the Gundams from the Calamity War era are all named after the 72 demons from the Lesser Key of Solomon in the Ars Goetia. Because even if we never actually get to see it on screen at any point, it means this setting has a Gundam Caim. 
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