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CommieGIR posted:"We'll run the entire country on charitable donations! No, this is not a bad plan!" It will work great! We had lots of mutual aid societies in this country up until the 1930s, when-- I would like to switch gears for a moment and talk about something else.
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Nolanar posted:It will work great! We had lots of mutual aid societies in this country up until the 1930s, when-- I would like to switch gears for a moment and talk about something else. Watching libertarians go on about historical mutual aid societies like they're a replacement for social services is a real treat.
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# ? Oct 30, 2015 20:57 |
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Panzeh posted:Watching libertarians go on about historical mutual aid societies like they're a replacement for social services is a real treat. I hear company towns are coming back in style...
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# ? Oct 30, 2015 21:03 |
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VitalSigns posted:
Where the hell do they get money anyway?
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# ? Oct 30, 2015 21:06 |
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YF19pilot posted:From: http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig6/molyneux1.html What exactly does he think Feudalism is if not "a confederation of private property organising to produce a state"?
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FilthIncarnate posted:Also Hawaii, for what it's worth; the centuries-old native monarchy there was overthrown by a group of haole plantation owners who then petitioned the US to make them a state and legitimize their revolution. Well, a century old. Almost. But we're still talking about a monarchy that was formed by a private group on one island conquering the other islands despite not having fiat currency or taxation, and which was then subsequently overthrown primarily by other private groups, so it's a good example of how people will gently caress each other for profit even without a "State"
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# ? Oct 30, 2015 21:59 |
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CommieGIR posted:"We'll run the entire country on charitable donations! No, this is not a bad plan!" "What? No of course I won't donate, you stinking, looting altruist!" *mashes Valhalla DRO panic alarm*
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eNeMeE posted:Not smuggling any unfounded assumptions in here or anything, no sir. I thought Libertarians were all about that gold and buttcoins.
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# ? Oct 31, 2015 01:31 |
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VitalSigns posted:This is your problem: you fundamentally misunderstand DROs if you think they're customer-service oriented entities that cater to individual yeoman farmers. DROs make the laws, and you accept whatever laws the DRO you can afford tells you to accept, because DRO coverage is mandatory and not having it is punishable by death (either quickly by criminal elements who take advantage or slowly by starvation and exposure because it's illegal to sell or trade with an uncovered person). Even Shadowrun isn't that dystopian, because they admit that a fair percentage of the population is so incompatible with the lifestyle as to not be worth megacorporate dollars to keep alive, but still useful because the Corps need deniable assets to break the law for them. That's his best idea. Something more dystopian than a setting that encourages the urban poor to sell others for spare parts to the local street doc.
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CommieGIR posted:I hear company towns are coming back in style... Sort of. I've predicted Walmart will go this way for years now. They're already supplying their own banking and medical services to employees, and you can buy everything there. I imagine a soft start like an option to be paid in Walmart gift cards but get a fifteen percent bonus in pay if you do, and having Walmart apartments right next door where you can direct pay your rent out of your check. It's coming.
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Trent posted:Sort of. I've predicted Walmart will go this way for years now. They're already supplying their own banking and medical services to employees, and you can buy everything there. I imagine a soft start like an option to be paid in Walmart gift cards but get a fifteen percent bonus in pay if you do, and having Walmart apartments right next door where you can direct pay your rent out of your check. It's coming. They tried that exact gift card thing in Mexico but got shot down by the Supreme Court.
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GunnerJ posted:They tried that exact gift card thing in Mexico but got shot down by the Supreme Court. Statist aggression rears its ugly head yet again!!
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I was phoneposting before so here's a source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/09/05/mexico-walmex-idUSN0546591320080905quote:Mexico's Supreme Court ruled that the country's top retailer, Wal-Mart de Mexico, violated the constitution by paying workers in part with vouchers only redeemable in the chain's outlets, the court said on Friday. Gee, it's like there's reasons we don't do this stuff anymore! To be "fair and balanced" about it: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/259532 quote:Mexico's Wal-Mart has been legally reprimanded for paying employees using a voluntary program. Despite only one individual employee filing the suit, the Supreme Court of Mexico ruled that the retailer can no longer choose voucher redemption locations. Only one employee!! Voluntary!!!!
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Crypto-Socialism? What's next? Excerpt: quote:The biggest achievement and value proposition of Blockchain and Bitcoin technology is their ability to give the powers of governance and finance to the people via peer-to-peer technology. It shifts power from centralized authorities to the power of the network – the power of masses. When Feudalism transitioned to Capitalism, the power of governance was given to the masses. Yet, the power of All you misguided libertarians (read: ignorant privileged white male american assholes) may now proceed to kill yourselves in the most painful ways imaginable. Thanks.
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The game is over, shitlords. Capitalism is done. If you can't handle living in a post-capitalist civilization, the time to off yourself is NOW! I'm serious, don't wait. You're really not going to like the ultra-compassionate world of your grandchildren.
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# ? Oct 31, 2015 21:34 |
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why did you post the exact same posts in two different threads?
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That Thesis posted:For the first time, the Blockchain technological innovation has given society the option of decentralizing the function of finance, and control of financial industry. This also creates a Hahaha, this is amazing. I for one welcome our new Communist Cryptographic Overlords. Or I would if this didn't seem more like a randomly-generated thesis.
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Thought this might be of interest given the discussion of private Dispute Resolution Organizations freely contracting with independent agents for protection services: Arbitration Everywhere, Stacking the Deck of Justicequote:At Italian Colors, a small restaurant tucked in an Oakland, Calif., strip mall, crayons and butcher paper adorn the tables, and a giant bottle of wine signed by the regulars sits in the entryway.
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paragon1 posted:why did you post the exact same posts in two different threads? Because he's an idiot bitcoiner on a 1-day old account. "Lurk more" would normally be the right response, but this site already has enough idiots so "Go away" is maybe more appropriate
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The combination of regdate, Bitcoin shilling, and word choice/tone, leads me to consider the possibility its permabanned pedophile Seraph84. Or it's someone who really is taking the piss.
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a sockpuppet is the ultimate expression of the free market
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Corvinus posted:The combination of regdate, Bitcoin shilling, and word choice/tone, leads me to consider the possibility its permabanned pedophile Seraph84. In the bitcoin thread he made a bunch of posts about star citizen so it's probably Seraph84 But on the other hand there are a lot of idiots in the world besides just him
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Corvinus posted:The combination of regdate, Bitcoin shilling, and word choice/tone, leads me to consider the possibility its permabanned pedophile Seraph84. whoa i must have missed the pedo part
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Malleum posted:a poopsock is the ultimate expression of the free market
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Is a man not entitled to the poop of his own sock?
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VitalSigns posted:This is your problem: you fundamentally misunderstand DROs if you think they're customer-service oriented entities that cater to individual yeoman farmers. DROs make the laws, and you accept whatever laws the DRO you can afford tells you to accept, because DRO coverage is mandatory and not having it is punishable by death (either quickly by criminal elements who take advantage or slowly by starvation and exposure because it's illegal to sell or trade with an uncovered person). good god i tried to read the entire article and couldn't get 5 paragphs. i am continually amazed by the libertarian's capacity for willful ignorance
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Beliathon posted:Crypto-Socialism? What's next?
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Heavy neutrino posted:There's god knows how many historical examples of non-state groups establishing states under their control, but Molyneux is a dishonest idiot who can only deny the idea by narrowing it down to the specific example of a modern corporation overthrowing a modern state. Weren't the Dutch/British East India companies basically historical examples of this happening?
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TheRamblingSoul posted:Weren't the Dutch/British East India companies basically historical examples of this happening? One could point out that these were organizations chartered by governments for a national goal, but this would show ignorance of the reason why the governments in question chartered them.
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Cerebral Bore posted:When your utopia literally is warlordism in everything but the name, it might be time to rethink your position. I've always pointed to Somalia and Afghanistan as fantastic examples of libertarian ideology in practice. (Coincidentally, better known as... "Failed states" )
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Those don't count because they're not majority white.
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Tesseraction posted:Those don't count because they're not majority white. Yeah, it reminds me of the similar conservative (read: racist) argument as to why single-payer nationalized healthcare only works in homogeneous countries and never could be possible in the U.S. Strangely, I never saw a "You Must Be This Asian to Ride" sign when I got quality, cheap healthcare when I was in Taiwan, so who knows?
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TheRamblingSoul posted:Yeah, it reminds me of the similar conservative (read: racist) argument as to why single-payer nationalized healthcare only works in homogeneous countries and never could be possible in the U.S. "Too many darkies" gets thrown around as to why gun laws will never work in America too.
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TheRamblingSoul posted:Strangely, I never saw a "You Must Be This Asian to Ride" sign Being fair I'm pretty sure in Taiwan they'd use Mandarin hanzi instead of English, but then I've never been.
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TheRamblingSoul posted:Yeah, it reminds me of the similar conservative (read: racist) argument as to why single-payer nationalized healthcare only works in homogeneous countries and never could be possible in the U.S.
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TheRamblingSoul posted:Yeah, it reminds me of the similar conservative (read: racist) argument as to why single-payer nationalized healthcare only works in homogeneous countries and never could be possible in the U.S. That's an argument that I got to hear a lot growing up. That "socialist thing only works in 'x' country because they're all white and in the US we're much more diverse." It's constantly painted that the reason socialized medicine in the UK is failing is because 1) it's state run, and 2) immigrants. I think the modern conservative right would probably make fast friends with UKIP, the way they keep going. Oh, and Somalia and Afghanistan failed because, "in order to have a civil society, you must first be civilized." Basically, democracy in the USA after the American Revolution worked because we (read: rich, white, former Englishmen) were already civilized. These other countries (which just so happen to be mostly not-white people) keep failing because they're not civilized, and nobody ever 'civilized' them. Those poor backwards people are just mere children to us, the grownups. Not to derail, but where in Taiwan were you? Tesseraction posted:Being fair I'm pretty sure in Taiwan they'd use Mandarin hanzi instead of English, but then I've never been. 你一定是台灣的這個人得到醫療保健. (My Mandarin is still very basic, so not sure how accurate of a translation that is).
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YF19pilot posted:That's an argument that I got to hear a lot growing up. That "socialist thing only works in 'x' country because they're all white and in the US we're much more diverse." It's constantly painted that the reason socialized medicine in the UK is failing is because 1) it's state run, and 2) immigrants. I think the modern conservative right would probably make fast friends with UKIP, the way they keep going. What makes you think the NHS is failing, last time I check it was consistently rated as one of the highest quality and most efficient systems in the world? Strawman fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Nov 1, 2015 |
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Strawman posted:What makes you think the NHS is failing, last time I check it was consistently as one of the highest quality and most efficient systems in the world? Because it's not absolutely perfect, has some weak spots, and yeah, if you've got millions of dollars you can buy better treatment in America, so shitheads like Daniel Hannan MEP go on American news channels talking about how disastrous the NHS is. Despite it being one of the few things in this country that an overwhelming majority of people agree on as being a good thing.
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Also it is kind of heading towards a problem because the government keeps cutting funding to it and making them do everything via private contractors which are more expensive, because they hate the idea of not being able to make a profit off the NHS.
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Welcome to "starve the beast," mates!
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