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Anyone point out the teacher who called the cops on her was black?
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Dirk Squarejaw posted:I'm guessing you aren't from the USA or are old enough that teachers could touch kids when you were in school without being fired and groups of parents calling for a public execution. Because back then you could be sure the teacher was white and a Christian.
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Nov 1, 2015 17:45
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Dirk Squarejaw posted:I'm guessing you aren't from the USA or are old enough that teachers could touch kids when you were in school without being fired and groups of parents calling for a public execution. When i was in first grade we had one teacher that would just lift you up by your shirt collar and physically carry you to the office like that if you were bad lol
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Nov 1, 2015 17:45
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ArbitraryC posted:Im sure if kim davis clung to a desk as an officer tried to pull her away it would have looked dramatic too.  if you think the police would have laid a finger on Kim Davis had she chosen to not go peacefully, much less tossed her around the clerk of courts office like a rag doll. While we're on the topic I would point out that she is free despite still being in contempt of court (modified marriage licenses despite having been specifically told not to by a judge), there's a different set of rules for a middle-aged white conservative woman vs a teenage black girl. You do realize that the student in this case is likely to face felony assault on an officer and resisting arrest charges, yet Kim Davis can merrily ignore the ruling of a federal judge without consequence.
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Nov 1, 2015 17:47
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When i was like 10 and acting out cause my dad had recently died i had a particularly bad day that ended in getting forcibly carried to the principals office by two teachers like a rug but sadly it wasn't a socially charged civil rights issue and everyone involved just acknowledged i was being a poo poo. Now teachers aren't allowed to do that and police are the only option.
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Nov 1, 2015 17:49
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Geoj posted:
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Nov 1, 2015 17:51
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Davis left peacefully because she knew she done wrong. This girl wasn't going to get up for some LEO when she didn't violate any law in her municipality.
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Nov 1, 2015 17:55
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I'm pretty sure teachers are allowed to carry you if necessary. Hell corporal punishment is still legal in 19 states. The notion that if a teacher even lays 1 finger on a student they'll get sued/arrested seems wrong to me. Seems like some conservative rhetoric.
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Nov 1, 2015 17:55
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Forums be eating posts...ArbitraryC posted:You are absolutely delusional, yes the police will force you to come with them if they need you to. They won't just say "okay you wait right here I'll try again tomorrow" Yeah there's a difference between forcing someone and slamming them into the ground; sorry. I've seen police apprehend struggling people just fine, and I've seen them slam a person into the ground and repeatedly hit them in the face. You're talking as if every single use of police force is equivalent and that's just wrong. If the cop in question just grabbed the girl's arm and steadily pulled her up and outta the desk chair it would have been fine. Instead he decided to flip the whole desk and drag her. Again I can't believe the loving sheriff himself said 'yeah this was way too much' to the point that he said he felt like throwing up after seeing the video but somehow people are STILL defending the officer's actions. Police *are* capable of doing wrong, you know.
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Nov 1, 2015 17:56
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Moridin920 posted:Forums be eating posts...
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Nov 1, 2015 17:59
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ArbitraryC posted:Have you even read my posts? I said he used excessive force and am glad he was fired, what im debating is the few idiots who seem to think they shouldn't have even tried to eject her from class for violating school policy and that any force is unreasonable. If you are arguing this point please say what your arguments are again right now. Really? No one is saying that?
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Nov 1, 2015 18:01
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Presently nonsense and geoj but ive seen several other posters reflect the sentiment
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Nov 1, 2015 18:06
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Does anybody know how I can add funny sounds like the slide whistle and bike horn to a youtube
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Nov 1, 2015 18:06
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Also the slew of people who think that the end game of authority is using force for compliance is some sort of dystopian fascist future rather than something everyone accepts as a necessity for society to function.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:10
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ArbitraryC posted:When i was like 10 and acting out cause my dad had recently died i had a particularly bad day that ended in getting forcibly carried to the principals office by two teachers like a rug but sadly it wasn't a socially charged civil rights issue and everyone involved just acknowledged i was being a poo poo. Now teachers aren't allowed to do that and police are the only option. Was it done because you whipped out a Gameboy for 3 seconds before apologizing?
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Nov 1, 2015 18:10
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ArbitraryC posted:Also the slew of people who think that the end game of authority is using force for compliance is some sort of dystopian fascist future rather than something everyone accepts as a necessity for society to function. Na
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Nov 1, 2015 18:11
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ArbitraryC posted:Also the slew of people who think that the end game of authority is using force for compliance is some sort of dystopian fascist future rather than something everyone accepts as a necessity for society to function. yea and there is also escalation of force, doesn't go from asking to throwing a bitch on the ground and dragging her by her hair like this some flintstone poo poo
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Nov 1, 2015 18:12
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ArbitraryC posted:Have you even read my posts? I said he used excessive force and am glad he was fired, what im debating is the few idiots who seem to think they shouldn't have even tried to eject her from class for violating school policy and that any force is unreasonable. Someone who really doesn't give a poo poo about education isn't going care if they are told to leave class. Hell, they'd probably appreciate the offer. The fact that this girl (just entered into I think a foster home the day before btw) thought it was ludicrous that she was being told to leave class makes it a lot more likely that school is important to her. In all my time in school I can only recall twice where a teacher made someone leave the class. One was a kid making fart noises and throwing airplanes. The other was a kid in my college didn't have proof that he had his rubella shots and the medical department told him to leave until he had proof from his doctor. Anyway, I don't think anyone is saying she didn't break a rule (no cell phones in class is reasonable). I think you just gotta look at it from the girl's point of view and make believe you were in her seat. Your outside life is poo poo (just entered into foster care) and you accidentally take out your phone as you are taking your laptop out of your bag. The teacher sees this and demands the phone. Would you give it to the teacher? I wouldn't and I'm a huge puss. Anyway, you immediately apologize and say it was a mistake. But that's not good enough. Then the teacher demands you leave the entire class for that? THEN the teacher refuses to just loving drop it and calls in school staff and a loving cop? I'd refuse to get up out of a combination of principle and shock. The teacher is a loving lunatic. I am actually more annoyed with the teacher than the cop, because I don't even know if the cop knew why he was removing her. Imagine how stubborn the teacher had to be to not just give it the gently caress up and let class proceed and deal with punishing her later. There's like 50 different punishments the teacher could have doled out that weren't making the girl leave. I've seen people cheat on tests and not get kicked out of class. jenny jones fan fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Nov 1, 2015 |
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Nov 1, 2015 18:19
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Melmac posted:Someone who really doesn't give a poo poo about education isn't going care if they are told to leave class. Hell, they'd probably appreciate the offer. The fact that this girl (just entered into I think a foster home the day before btw) thought it was ludicrous that she was being told to leave class makes it a lot more likely that school is important to her. What's so frustrating is that the cop and teacher did more to disrupt the class than the girl did. If they actually gave a poo poo about the students they would have just let it go.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:57
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ArbitraryC posted:You are absolutely delusional, yes the police will force you to come with them if they need you to. They won't just say "okay you wait right here I'll try again tomorrow" I see you completely passed on the part about Kim Davis still being in contempt of court and not being forcibly removed from office. Looks like the justice system is certainly saying "OK, you do whatever you want even if it means violating multiple court orders and we'll just pretend like it isn't happening" in her case.
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Nov 1, 2015 19:01
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actually disrupting a class in SC is a crime, no joke
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Nov 1, 2015 19:01
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kim davis and jefferson davis have a lot in common tbh
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Nov 1, 2015 19:02
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Why not just give up the phone till end of class though i dont get it, if your not going to keep using it then you shouldnt have a problem letting the teacher hold onto it? When my classes had exams the teacher made everyone put their cellphone in a box, no one seemed to give a poo poo.
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Nov 1, 2015 19:10
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Why should you have to give your personal property to someone just because they ask for it?
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Nov 1, 2015 19:12
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ArbitraryC posted:When i was like 10 and acting out cause my dad had recently died i had a particularly bad day that ended in getting forcibly carried to the principals office by two teachers like a rug but sadly it wasn't a socially charged civil rights issue and everyone involved just acknowledged i was being a poo poo. Now teachers aren't allowed to do that and police are the only option. Oh so you were put into a foster home?
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Nov 1, 2015 19:13
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hm yes let me hand over a device that holds literally every private and personal facet of my existence right over to my crazy power-tripping teacher
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Nov 1, 2015 19:15
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City of Tampa posted:actually disrupting a class in SC is a crime, no joke Disturbing Schools Law for South Carolina SECTION 12. Section 16-17-420 of the 1976 Code (A) It shall be unlawful: (1) For any person willfully or unnecessarily (a) to interfere with or to disturb in any way or in any place the students or teachers of any school or college in this State, (b) to loiter about such school or college premises or (c) to act in an obnoxious manner thereon; or (2) For any person to (a) enter upon any such school or college premises or (b) loiter around the premises, except on business, without the permission of the principal or president in charge. (B) Any person violating any of the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, on conviction thereof, shall pay a fine of not more than one thousand dollars or be imprisoned in the county jail for not more than ninety days. (C) The summary courts are vested with jurisdiction to hear and dispose of cases involving a violation of this section. If the person is a child as defined by Section 63-19-20, jurisdiction must remain vested in the Family Court." lol
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Nov 1, 2015 19:17
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if we have cops wandering around (even in high schools?) looking for "crimes", why don't we have firemen wandering around looking for fires? oh yeah, because they would start a bunch of fires
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Nov 1, 2015 19:18
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I'm sure that law is applied in a very fair and judicious manner.
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Nov 1, 2015 19:18
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I doubt it applies to a student briefly taking out a cell phone.
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Nov 1, 2015 19:20
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City of Tampa posted:if we have cops wandering around (even in high schools?) looking for "crimes", why don't we have firemen wandering around looking for fires? This is a serious thing. A disproportionate amount of arsonists are also firefighters.
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Nov 1, 2015 19:21
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Methanar posted:This is a serious thing. exactly. we solve this poo poo by making the loving cops stay in the loving cop building until they are called. and we stop judging their performance by how many "crimes" they "stop"
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Nov 1, 2015 19:23
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City of Tampa posted:exactly. we solve this poo poo by making the loving cops stay in the loving cop building until they are called. and we stop judging their performance by how many "crimes" they "stop" Actually I'd be fine with the police actively patrolling the streets if the laws were applied equally, and we didn't treat an officer getting a week's paid suspension or merely being fired as equivalent to anyone else being criminally charged, prosecuted, sent to prison and/or fined several thousand dollars. It's almost like law enforcement behaves the way they do because they know they won't be held accountable for their actions 
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Nov 1, 2015 19:28
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This cop is bad and these tactics have no place in modern police forces against nonviolent reisistors or in schools But seriously though, put your loving phone away Teachers should snatch that poo poo right out of their hands and hold the phones until their parents come to get them and use that chance to tell the parents how lovely their kid is at following rules
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Nov 1, 2015 19:29
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Melmac posted:Someone who really doesn't give a poo poo about education isn't going care if they are told to leave class. Hell, they'd probably appreciate the offer. The fact that this girl (just entered into I think a foster home the day before btw) thought it was ludicrous that she was being told to leave class makes it a lot more likely that school is important to her.
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Nov 1, 2015 19:31
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Commie NedFlanders posted:This cop is bad and these tactics have no place in modern police forces against nonviolent reisistors or in schools She did put her phone away and she has no parents.
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Nov 1, 2015 19:33
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kids didn't really have phones when I was a kid. Like, some of us had a little ancient cellphone or whatever but it's not like you could do anything fun on those so no one used them for anything and they weren't standard issue like you see today
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Nov 1, 2015 19:35
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the trump tutelage posted:That could be true but the more likely explanation is that the girl either has ODD or was otherwise manifesting ODD-like symptoms and refused to be ejected "on principle". She probably wanted to stay in class like how a child wants to play with a toy they haven't touched in months as soon as someone else starts playing with it. oh yea i forgot that they made it a literal disorder to not suck authority dick lol
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Nov 1, 2015 19:37
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Geoj posted:Actually I'd be fine with the police actively patrolling the streets if the laws were applied equally, and we didn't treat an officer getting a week's paid suspension or merely being fired as equivalent to anyone else being criminally charged, prosecuted, sent to prison and/or fined several thousand dollars. yeah also I'd like one of those replicator machines from Star Trek and a unicorn to ride around on
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Nov 1, 2015 19:38
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also cell phones should be barred in schools there's no reason to allow them
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