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Sharkie posted:If emotional harm counts the why do you trivialize it by calling it "hurt feelings" and "being offended"? And with To be fair, scientists are unsure as to whether crab monsters actually are capable of feeling pain. Maybe it's just a foreign concept to him. natetimm posted:This post is very offensive and stereotypical in regards to crab persons. I'll have you know it's hate speech. lol nice try. i'll just quote myself and if you answer, no skin off my back, and no skin on yours. Rollofthedice posted:So in order to be objectively justified in committing some sort of prohibitive action, one has to have solid, objective proof that committing that action will bring about an outcome they consider to be beneficial. Subjectively beneficial. Got it.
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natetimm for someone who screams about fee-fees you sure do make some retarded rear end arguments from emotion that aren't actually based in reality
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The very root of that argument is that bad ideas should be banned from public discourse. Nevermind the fact that freedom of speech and public discourse is how many of these oppressed groups managed to engineer their upswing, let's neuter these tools as soon as we get the chance!
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In general the majority group is going to reject the concept of hate speech until the shoe is on the other foot so the responses in this thread are not surprising.
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Nov 2, 2015 00:27
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Hollismason posted:http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rebecca-ann-sedwick-suicide-2-arrests-made-in-death-of-bullied-florida-girl/ This already falls under harassment and stalking laws. If you're going to post links to support your argument, at least find one that's relevant.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Good thing the feelings of rich white people and their stooges are less important than the rights of everyone else or chanting "gently caress the police!" might be a criminal speech rally. There is no war but class war.
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natetimm posted:The very root of that argument is that bad ideas should be banned from public discourse. Nevermind the fact that freedom of speech and public discourse is how many of these oppressed groups managed to engineer their upswing, let's neuter these tools as soon as we get the chance! Why are you pretending to care about minority groups after making a joke about their deaths? That ship has sailed, man, you don't get to pretend to be on the side of the oppressed after laughing at their corpses.
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natetimm posted:The very root of that argument is that bad ideas should be banned from public discourse. Nevermind the fact that freedom of speech and public discourse is how many of these oppressed groups managed to engineer their upswing, let's neuter these tools as soon as we get the chance! Public threats and private website comments are not the same thing thanks everyone for playing.
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Nov 2, 2015 00:29
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Hey natetimm, do you remember that time you argued yourself into a corner where it would be "evil" for Walmart to refuse to stock someones collection of drawn child rape fantasies? P.S. You are a monstrously mutated clownfish in human form.
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Who What Now posted:Why are you pretending to care about minority groups after making a joke about their deaths? That ship has sailed, man, you don't get to pretend to be on the side of the oppressed after laughing at their corpses. Look, I'm completely used to the fact that someone is going to trot out a victim of something and claim I'm some sort of monster when I point out that they're fairly transparently enabling a moral panic by doing so. "Think of the children" is a tired old trope of an argument dragged out for defense of bad laws since forever.
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7c Nickel posted:Hey natetimm, do you remember that time you argued yourself into a corner where it would be "evil" for Walmart to refuse to stock someones collection of drawn child rape fantasies? 
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natetimm posted:This already falls under harassment and stalking laws. If you're going to post links to support your argument, at least find one that's relevant. 
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natetimm posted:The very root of that argument is that bad ideas should be banned from public discourse. Nevermind the fact that freedom of speech and public discourse is how many of these oppressed groups managed to engineer their upswing, let's neuter these tools as soon as we get the chance! yes you're right saying "niggers are soulless beings shaped from the mud and given an unholy semblance of life by satan himself" is exactly the same as arguing for equal rights
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Hollismason posted:http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rebecca-ann-sedwick-suicide-2-arrests-made-in-death-of-bullied-florida-girl/ "According to other articles, the parents moved their daughter to another school because of the bullying going on against her. Then the lovely children at school resorted to cyberbullying because their target was no longer readily available to them in person. The parents were trying to help her in every way they could." Yeah that definitely sounds like hate speech and totally not specifically targeted harassment and threats which no one has said should be legal.
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7c Nickel posted:Hey natetimm, do you remember that time you argued yourself into a corner where it would be "evil" for Walmart to refuse to stock someones collection of drawn child rape fantasies? I don't think that went down the same way you're describing. You can dredge it up if you want.
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7c Nickel posted:Hey natetimm, do you remember that time you argued yourself into a corner where it would be "evil" for Walmart to refuse to stock someones collection of drawn child rape fantasies? no, do tell
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Dude, you're using a dead kid as an argument for laws that don't even cover her situation.
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natetimm posted:Look, I'm completely used to the fact that someone is going to trot out a victim of something and claim I'm some sort of monster when I point out that they're fairly transparently enabling a moral panic by doing so. "Think of the children" is a tired old trope of an argument dragged out for defense of bad laws since forever. You've already made it abundantly clear that you don't think the deaths of disadvantaged minorities have any value, you don't need to explain that any further.
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natetimm posted:Look, I'm completely used to the fact that someone is going to trot out a victim of something and claim I'm some sort of monster when I point out that they're fairly transparently enabling a moral panic by doing so. "Think of the children" is a tired old trope of an argument dragged out for defense of bad laws since forever. http://nypost.com/2015/04/10/bullied-transgender-teen-commits-suicide/  http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2015/05/07/wisconsin-trans-teen-bullied-femininity-dies-suicide
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Who What Now posted:You've already made it abundantly clear that you don't think the deaths of disadvantaged minorities have any value, you don't need to explain that any further. Hahaha, this is such a transparently bad gotcha.
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natetimm posted:Hahaha, this is such a transparently bad gotcha. dogg you literally responded to "what about lgbt teens who commit suicide every year" with 'think of the children' you got yourself
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Hollismason posted:http://nypost.com/2015/04/10/bullied-transgender-teen-commits-suicide/ Again, covered by harassment laws. The teens you're linking are already victims of crimes. Making it extra more illegal is going to do what, exactly? If anything, the advocating should be for stricter enforcement of what we already have on the books.
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Literally The Worst posted:dogg you literally responded to "what about lgbt teens who commit suicide every year" with 'think of the children' Because it's a transparent appeal to emotion designed to make anyone who has an opposing opinion look bad. It's a cheap tactic using dead kids to argue a point and I treated it exactly as it should have been treated.
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natetimm posted:Hahaha, this is such a transparently bad gotcha.  http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2014/11/24/texas-teen-tragically-commits-suicide-after-relentless-bullying/
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natetimm posted:This is hysterical bullshit. Nobody ever died from hate speech. hate speech can definitely lay the foundation for violence, though.
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natetimm posted:Again, covered by harassment laws. The teens you're linking are already victims of crimes. Making it extra more illegal is going to do what, exactly? If anything, the advocating should be for stricter enforcement of what we already have on the books. I'm going to take a wild guess and assume you have no idea what hate crime laws are and why America has hate crime sentencing enhancements.
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natetimm posted:Because it's a transparent appeal to emotion designed to make anyone who has an opposing opinion look bad. It's a cheap tactic using dead kids to argue a point and I treated it exactly as it should have been treated. "I treated the deaths of people bullied and harassed into taking their own lives as they should be treated; by laughing at them." -Crabman, TYOOL 2015
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natetimm posted:Because it's a transparent appeal to emotion designed to make anyone who has an opposing opinion look bad. It's a cheap tactic using dead kids to argue a point and I treated it exactly as it should have been treated. no its an actual, visible effect of hate speech that you should consider, and instead you just made a jackoff motion while continuing to talk about how restricting speech is actually bad for minorities gently caress off, twit
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crabcakes66 posted:"According to other articles, the parents moved their daughter to another school because of the bullying going on against her. Then the lovely children at school resorted to cyberbullying because their target was no longer readily available to them in person. The parents were trying to help her in every way they could." Oh look another crab person 
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How is making it illegal for idiots to post poo poo on the internet going to stop teens from being bullied and killing themselves when the bullying they are experiencing is already illegal? What is happening is already a crime. Using the faces of dead children to try and enact authoritarian bullshit is way more disgusting than any sort of ambivalence I've displayed to being beaten over the head with it.
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natetimm posted:Because it's a transparent appeal to emotion designed to make anyone who has an opposing opinion look bad. It's a cheap tactic using dead kids to argue a point and I treated it exactly as it should have been treated.  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2246896/Jessica-Laney-16-committed-suicide-internet-trolls-taunted-told-kill-herself.html
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Ban everything until no kid ever dies again.
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natetimm posted:Again, covered by harassment laws. The teens you're linking are already victims of crimes. Making it extra more illegal is going to do what, exactly? If anything, the advocating should be for stricter enforcement of what we already have on the books. maybe if we punish people, for treating minorities like poo poo until they kill themselves, specifically because they're minorities, we can finally establish that that poo poo is not acceptable in america just a ~crazy thought~
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sudo rm -rf posted:hate speech can definitely lay the foundation for violence, though. So can regular speech. Or a fart. Or bad driving. Or nothing at all, just random violence.
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natetimm posted:How is making it illegal for idiots to post poo poo on the internet going to stop teens from being bullied and killing themselves when the bullying they are experiencing is already illegal? What is happening is already a crime. Using the faces of dead children to try and enact authoritarian bullshit is way more disgusting than any sort of ambivalence I've displayed to being beaten over the head with it. because it doesn't just happen on the internet you colossal dipshit
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I want to remind you that you said, and I quote, "hate speech never killed anybody". I gave you a concrete example of hate speech killing huge numbers of people, and you turned it into a joke. Because you're incapable of looking at yourself critical for fear of recognizing yourself for the monster you are. All you had to say was, "ok, yes, I was exaggerating when I said hate speech never killed anybody, and those deaths are all tragedies" but nope, you decided to speak from the heart and tell us how you really felt. Now all you can do is own up to it.
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Restrictions on speech exist. Why is that I wonder...
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Literally The Worst posted:because it doesn't just happen on the internet you colossal dipshit Hate speech laws aren't going to stop teens and kids from bullying each other.
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