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Basically I'm fine with them resolving the Kuroumaru thing in literally any way that isn't Kuroumaru nobly sacrificing the gender he (she? at this point? i guess) "wants" to be because being a woman doesn't give him enough "power"
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In regards to Kuromaru Ken already kind of did this with Setsuna, to a degree, when she was wavering about being able to protect Konoka. I assume it'll probably be similar to that.
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Nov 18, 2015 03:42
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I like that Kirie's near immediate response to their goofy plan loving up was going to be to kill herself.
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Nov 18, 2015 04:05
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Toxxupation posted:Basically I'm fine with them resolving the Kuroumaru thing in literally any way that isn't Kuroumaru nobly sacrificing the gender he (she? at this point? i guess) "wants" to be because being a woman doesn't give him enough "power" Yeah, that's the first thing I thought of when I saw that last panel. I really hope it doesn't happen that way, especially since both Negima and this have always had female characters that were freaking monsters, combat-wise.
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Nov 18, 2015 05:08
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Yeah, gender is pretty meaningless as far as fighting goes in this setting. Well, aside from the stripping.
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Nov 18, 2015 05:12
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chumbler posted:I like that Kirie's near immediate response to their goofy plan loving up was going to be to kill herself. Now I'm wondering how often she defaults to that. "Oh no, a pop quiz? Better off myself so I can study for it!"
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Nov 18, 2015 05:41
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I hope however this is resolved it somehow wraps back around to Kuromaru going back to a guy because Tota is a goof who just wants him to be his bro for life and that's more interesting than him being yet another girl after him.
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Nov 18, 2015 05:47
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I think that would be cool, definitely, but I do like the way Ken's building Kuroumaru's deepening feelings for Touta and feel like any relationship they have if it's romantic would be earned Also I read the thread and the people talking poo poo about Ako ignored the wondrous, totally wordless, single page...page that was Ako's reaction to realizing that "Nagi" was also Negi, which might have been the best and most affecting and subtle character work Akamatsu did with any character in Negima. Seriously, that page was great and still super affecting knowing it was coming when I reread the whole series. Just great, emotive, wordless storytelling Anyways, Ako served an important point in the Magic World arc in general, being that like about a third of the class, which included all of the mundane characters, didn't travel to the Magic World, so Ako was essentially the "straight man", meant to represent the ignorant group of Negi's class who was more concerned with realistic, more down-to-earth problems. She's meant to be a grounding force to the narrative that's what Negi is literally fighting for. Previously that idea was shouldered by characters like Natsumi and Chisame, both excellent characters in their own right, but both of their arcs during Magic World were about coming to grips with and embracing that side of themselves, either by getting over their revulsion to and hatred of the fantasy bullshit (in Chisame's case) or coming to terms with their affection for another and getting self-actualized (in Natsumi's). Ako basically ended up getting stuck with having to be the grounded, daily-life portions of Negima when that portion would be spread out amongst more characters like Ayaka or the cheerleader trio or Makie or Yuuna or Akira or the Narutaki twins, and on and on. The few representations of the "mundane" portions of Negima that got brought in amongst Ako either had their arcs be about how well they adapted to the magic world (Makie and Yuuna) or were totally, completely superfluous (Akira). Seriously, why was Akira even there. She did nothing. I don't think Ako's portions of magic world were necessarily the most interesting, but they were the most realistic and reflective of how an Actual Teenager would react to and deal with heartbreak and trauma, and i think that's what made Negima interesting: it wasn't just awesome fight scenes, it did oftentimes great character work as well
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Nov 18, 2015 06:11
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I support whatever Kuromaru's decision is. Also whatever powerup Kuromaru gets should (and hopefully will) come from growing some goddamned confidence.
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Nov 18, 2015 06:23
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Toxxupation posted:Basically I'm fine with them resolving the Kuroumaru thing in literally any way that isn't Kuroumaru nobly sacrificing the gender he (she? at this point? i guess) "wants" to be because being a woman doesn't give him enough "power" I mean for most of the manga the gender he wanted to be and insisted he was would be male so the actual coolest outcome would be to stick with that without giving up his feelings. Look Ken either have the stones to go full gay or placate me with some Chachamaru, I will take either one at this point Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Nov 18, 2015 |
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Nov 18, 2015 06:43
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Rodyle posted:I mean for most recent of the manga the gender he wanted to be and insisted he was would be male so the actual coolest outcome would be to stick with that without giving up his feelings. The "full gay" option could have been interesting, but Akamatsu already cut it off when Touta started fawning over Kitty. Kuromaru choosing to be male wouldn't necessarily mean giving up his feelings, but it would mean giving up most of the chance of those feelings being reciprocated.
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Nov 18, 2015 06:46
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I am aware it's astronomically unlikely (and always kind of was given the magazine) but it'd be more interesting. Especially given the annoying dancing around we got with Konoka and Setsuna.
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Nov 18, 2015 06:50
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chumbler posted:I like that Kirie's near immediate response to their goofy plan loving up was going to be to kill herself. I want a groundhog day chapter where Kirie keeps killing herself over and over while trying to accomplish some completely mundane task.
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Nov 18, 2015 06:51
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Rodyle posted:Especially given the annoying dancing around we got with Konoka and Setsuna. Yeah, that was odd. After all the weird sexual stuff, explicitly stating that they were a couple is where the editors drew the line?
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Nov 18, 2015 07:07
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I mean, he said without saying it. They got married at the end of the manga, for pete's sake
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Nov 18, 2015 07:13
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Kyte posted:While a summary is not bad, you're kinda spoiling the thing for everybody, you know. Apologies, I'll keep that in mind next time. Should've thrown up more spoilers, I guess. chumbler posted:I like that Kirie's near immediate response to their goofy plan loving up was going to be to kill herself. Avulsion posted:I want a groundhog day chapter where Kirie keeps killing herself over and over while trying to accomplish some completely mundane task. AfroSquirrel posted:Now I'm wondering how often she defaults to that. "Oh no, a pop quiz? Better off myself so I can study for it!" Yeah, all that would be really amusing. Really want to see Kirie exploit the hell out of her powers for mundane poo poo. Rodyle posted:I am aware it's astronomically unlikely (and always kind of was given the magazine) but it'd be more interesting. Especially given the annoying dancing around we got with Konoka and Setsuna. Toxxupation posted:I mean, he said without saying it. They got married at the end of the manga, for pete's sake GhostStalker fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Nov 18, 2015 |
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Nov 18, 2015 07:18
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Silver2195 posted:The "full gay" option could have been interesting, but Akamatsu already cut it off when Touta started fawning over Kitty. Kuromaru choosing to be male wouldn't necessarily mean giving up his feelings, but it would mean giving up most of the chance of those feelings being reciprocated. Nah, Touta still doesn't understand love and was just trying to marry Kitty because he doesn't know the difference between liking your mom and liking your wife. Same as when you talk to little kids and they say they want to marry their mom/dad/cousin/dog/whatever wacky thing. It's all really just a story about a boy and his love affair with his talking sword anyway. Poor girls/Kuromaru, they never stood a chance.
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Nov 18, 2015 07:51
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Honestly I think it deserves mention that not only does Kuroumaru have an issue where s/he thinks loving Touta means being a girl, Kuroumaru has tied hanging out with, fighting alongside with, and growing with Touta to being male. Kuroumaru's epiphany shouldn't be that she loves him and accepts becoming a girl thusly, or realizing that he can love Touta and still protect him as a boy, or anything like that. It should be that no matter what s/he ends up as doesn't matter. You can do anything as either in this crazy magic world where even being organic/robotic or human/demon/alien/whatever practically doesn't matter. What I'm saying is she should become a cute girl and kick rear end at the same time, independent of liking Touta 
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PerrineClostermann posted:What I'm saying is she should become a cute girl and kick rear end at the same time, independent of liking Touta Second.
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Nov 18, 2015 14:17
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These gender pronouns are going to become and even bigger loving mess, huh
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Touta, Koromaru, and Ikkyu star in Read Only Memories
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Nov 18, 2015 18:59
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it'd be cool if touta accepted kuromaru for being gender fluid and didn't really give a drat one way or the other why make kuromaru choose, i'd rather see them accept who they are without being forced into binary gender roles
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Nov 18, 2015 21:04
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all yall forgetting Ken's just going to retread the final Motoko arc "I'M STRONGER WHEN I HAVE SOMEONE I LOVE TO PROTECT"
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Nov 18, 2015 21:13
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I really don't think Touta would care either way. Kid is very open-minded.
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Nov 18, 2015 21:19
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I wish that after Touta recognized Kuromaru at the end of last chapter, this chapter would have been just carrying on with Kuromaru without ever addressing the girly look. Maybe at the end of the chapter he could tell Kuromaru that he thinks he/she looks better with black hair or whatever, but have him never acknowledge or notice the dress.
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Nov 18, 2015 21:24
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"Kuromaru" told Touta that it was a different person, so why would he question that?
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Yasser Arafatwa posted:it'd be cool if touta accepted kuromaru for being gender fluid and didn't really give a drat one way or the other Literally nobody's forcing anybody. His state is 'Undetermined', which carries the implication that at some point it determines itself. Note how he's been physically changing without his deliberate input. You're the one imposing characteristics here.
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It's explicitly stated that Kuromaru's people start out indeterminable but fix upon a single gender at about the age of 16. So they're more like those species that change sex as they grow, only with a genderless state as the initial state. Though I can understand wanting a nonbinary character.
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I can't help but imagine gender relations would be incomprehensibly different in a species that selects gender based on what they're attracted to well past adolescence. The concept that Kuro wants to go male because dudes are stronger is pretty lolworthy in a series in which all of the strongest people in the setting are either 10 year old kids or 14 year old girls.
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Angry Grimace posted:I can't help but imagine gender relations would be incomprehensibly different in a species that selects gender based on what they're attracted to well past adolescence. The concept that Kuro wants to go male because dudes are stronger is pretty lolworthy in a series in which all of the strongest people in the setting are either 10 year old kids or 14 year old girls. This is true. Negi's class is stupid broken, Eva is a bonus boss, Touta's last mentor was a chick, Kirie and Karin are great. In fact I'm willing to say that being a girl in the Akamatsuverse is better than being a guy on average, provided you don't run into Negi or Touta.
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PerrineClostermann posted:This is true. Negi's class is stupid broken, Eva is a bonus boss, Touta's last mentor was a chick, Kirie and Karin are great. You forgot the actual worse character to run into as a girl in Negimaverse, Jack Rakan. 
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Overlord K posted:You forgot the actual worse character to run into as a girl in Negimaverse, Jack Rakan. Jack Rakan, Col. Sanders, or a Springfield. Any other guy is probably going to be or get chumped. I do kind of want Kuromaru to stay a boy but keep convincing himself that he's totally changing into a woman. Oh god, my chest is getting bigger. I can feel it. They're called Pectoral muscles, Kuromaru, and you're flexing them. Plus it would be a nice compliment to Touta's lack of understanding of what love is if his best bro has trouble differentiating best friend brotherhood and tingly girly feelings.
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Gyges posted:Jack Rakan, Col. Sanders, or a Springfield. Any other guy is probably going to be or get chumped. Fate? Takamichi? Kotaro? The devil guy from the post-Kyoto arc?
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Fate isn't a real boy, Takamichi got chumped if I remember, so did the devil guy if it's who I'm thinking of. Kotaro should be added to the list I guess.
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Gyges posted:Jack Rakan, Col. Sanders, or a Springfield. Any other guy is probably going to be or get chumped. What I'm getting from your post is that Kuromaru needs to become Jack Rakan, and I completely agree.
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Gyges posted:Fate isn't a real boy, Takamichi got chumped if I remember, so did the devil guy if it's who I'm thinking of. Kotaro should be added to the list I guess. Did Kotarou strip girls casually too?
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chumbler posted:What I'm getting from your post is that Kuromaru needs to become Jack Rakan, and I completely agree. As long as anyone becomes the new Jack Rakan, I agree. Except Kirie because we need another Chisame.
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chumbler posted:What I'm getting from your post is that Kuromaru needs to become Jack Rakan, and I completely agree. InfinityComplex posted:As long as anyone becomes the new Jack Rakan, I agree. Except Kirie because we need another Chisame. Yup, I'm down with all of this, though Kuromaru is more likely to become another Setsuna instead. Dunno who'd be able to take up the broken cheat code mantle of Rakan though. Speaking of which, I wish Ken would go back to the Setsuna/Konoka kids a couple chapters back. Wanna see some new generation Konoes get caught up in Ala Alba type shenanigans alongside Mizore, Chachamaru (if that really was her accompanying Ayaka) and possibly Mana, since she's still at Mahora.
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PerrineClostermann posted:Keitaro is immortal, think he'll show up? Only if the story ever moves to turtle-based ruins.
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