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Serious Frolicking posted:It was really kind of a childish thing to do, as they sent someone who knew all about them straight to their enemy. It's a weird thing that really stands out because they have literally shot prisoners for less than that.
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Srice posted:It's a weird thing that really stands out because they have literally shot prisoners for less than that. Sometimes wanting to be cool and badass and send a message of "we're not ones to be hosed with" interferes with OpSec. Also because seeing hitler beaten up was funny I guess.
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Plus, what exactly is Todo going to tell Gjallarhorn? CGS was officially reformed as Tekkadan with Orga at its head, and he sent Akihiro ahead to take legal possession of the Isaribi. They already know that Kudelia's escort is made of children and teenagers.
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Srice posted:It's a weird thing that really stands out because they have literally shot prisoners for less than that. They killed two of their main tormentors during their time as CGS 'employees'. Nobody seems to have taken Todo especially seriously, and they planned around and easily handled his betrayal. He just wasn't a big deal to them.
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Traveller posted:Plus, what exactly is Todo going to tell Gjallarhorn? CGS was officially reformed as Tekkadan with Orga at its head, and he sent Akihiro ahead to take legal possession of the Isaribi. They already know that Kudelia's escort is made of children and teenagers.
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AradoBalanga posted:The best that Todo could do is to reveal whatever route(s) Tekkadan would take to get to Earth. Of course, this all depends on whether or not Todo had actually done any off-planet work for CGS and knows the travel routes. No he couldn't. The whole deal is that they need someone to lead them to Earth. They got betrayed by the guy they thought would, and then they kicked Todo out. That's why they were asking the mafia guy to guide them.
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boom boom boom posted:No he couldn't. The whole deal is that they need someone to lead them to Earth. They got betrayed by the guy they thought would, and then they kicked Todo out. That's why they were asking the mafia guy to guide them.
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AradoBalanga posted:Ah, okay. I thought Todo had been on the route they intended to go on before, hence why Todo orchestrated the entire betrayal scheme with the guide. There's layers of betrayal. Todo conspired with Orcus to sell Tekkadan out to Gjallarhorn and split any reward Gjallarhorn had to offer/whatever the value of selling Tekkadan's stuff would be. Orcus then decided "You know what, I'll just sell them out on my own and gently caress Todo over and keep everything for myself", which is why Todo began making GBS threads himself when Gjallarhorn showed up early before he was safe.
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They knew that tekkadan was made up of kids, yeah. But they didn't know their identities, their personalities, etc. Chocolate man wouldn't take hostages, but he isn't the sole member of gjallarhorn.
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Kanos posted:There's layers of betrayal. Todo conspired with Orcus to sell Tekkadan out to Gjallarhorn and split any reward Gjallarhorn had to offer/whatever the value of selling Tekkadan's stuff would be. Orcus then decided "You know what, I'll just sell them out on my own and gently caress Todo over and keep everything for myself", which is why Todo began making GBS threads himself when Gjallarhorn showed up early before he was safe. I also wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Coral had been planning on backstabbing the Orcus guys once Kudelia was taken care of. They're probably lucky that Mika ended up taking him out.
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Oh, they have proper Unrealistic Artificial Gravity? I guess this is a more high-tech setting than other Gundams.
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New kits have been revealed. First, we have pics of the new booster set that got previewed a while back. Seems to be a G-Armour-style thingy compatible with both the Barbatos and Kai.    Early sightings of a new Gjallarhorn suit, a scary-looking super-Graze:  Looks like the Kai will be getting an upgrade:  Plus, new option sets, one of 'em including a Gjallarhorn tank.  
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Those look amazing, I really like the mobile armor look of the second configuration. I was a bit wary of the barbatos design when I first saw it, but its really grown on me, and every other suit has been love at first sight. The mechanical design in general has been great on this show, I really hope we get to see a mobile armor or two later on. Also cool to see the gjallarhorn mobile worker, that seems to confirm they will still be useful throughout. We need more Eugene heroics! Finally, drat episode 7 was amazing. I was curious about the title too, that fight was so awesome, the hyakuri and its hungry pilot were both really neat. This show continues to blow away my expectations. e; also I loved Maruba's line "They're space rats, it's just what they do!" when orga et al do the seemingly impossible. Curious what's in store for the (former) head of CGS free hubcaps fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Nov 19, 2015 |
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I'm honestly curious if they'll keep up constantly changing the Barbatos' parts or stop once it hits the more widely publicized fourth form.
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BlitzBlast posted:I'm honestly curious if they'll keep up constantly changing the Barbatos' parts or stop once it hits the more widely publicized fourth form. It's probably gonna die down until it gets the giant backpack and then the inevitable mid-season upgrade.
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ImpAtom posted:It's probably gonna die down until it gets the giant backpack and then the inevitable mid-season upgrade. I'm pretty sure the fourth form is the mid-season upgrade, although additional advanced weaponry seems likely. The backpack, meanwhile, seems a situational thing, like the G-Armor in 0079. Wonder who its pilot will be?
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Nov 19, 2015 22:55
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Final form is just a giant cube of armor.
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Green Intern posted:Final form is just a giant cube of armor. 
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Darth Walrus posted:I'm pretty sure the fourth form is the mid-season upgrade, although additional advanced weaponry seems likely. The backpack, meanwhile, seems a situational thing, like the G-Armor in 0079. Wonder who its pilot will be? Nah, if Fourth Form was the upgrade we wouldn't have seen it as the default form especially since it is showing up in the next episode or two. The true upgrade won't show up until AT LEAST 15
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Maybe the midseason upgrade is an abdomen.
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Kanos posted:Maybe the midseason upgrade is an abdomen. That's crazy talk
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Kanos posted:Maybe the midseason upgrade is an abdomen. 
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It didn't. That's why we have more than six Zaku kits in one year.
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Perhaps the show will not engage in mecha trope bingo, and not have any ~mid season upgrade~ outside of new weapons they scavenge.
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Heck I suppose with fans clamoring for mecha cliches to happen, that's not helping matters either.........
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Srice posted:Perhaps the show will not engage in mecha trope bingo, and not have any ~mid season upgrade~ outside of new weapons they scavenge. I mean, it's possible, but the whole concept of the Barbatos seems to be based around scavenging additional armour and guns and piling them on like they're going out of fashion. See also, the third form we just saw in this episode. Tekkadan's engineers looking at the fourth form and going 'not enough guns, not enough armour, we need to fix that' until it turns into a monument of Full Armour Unicorn-esque excess seems pretty probable.
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Traveller posted:Plus, what exactly is Todo going to tell Gjallarhorn? CGS was officially reformed as Tekkadan with Orga at its head, and he sent Akihiro ahead to take legal possession of the Isaribi. They already know that Kudelia's escort is made of children and teenagers. ...I'm pretty sure Todo is dead. It looked to me like they beat him up then sent him out in basically a regular-rear end storage closet and literally threw it in the direction of Gjallarhorn...having Todo die of asphyxiation in the process. I'd not even considered that he'd just be unconscious or something...maybe it was the whole 'this was revealed as the stinger at the very end of the episode' deal that would've been a little weird if that wasn't meant to show 'he died in a dark claustrophobic space desperately unable to breathe'. E: Actually it might've been the matter of how it looked more like a coffin than some sort of secure storage pod that you'd expect people to be getting alive out of.
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Gyra_Solune posted:...I'm pretty sure Todo is dead. It looked to me like they beat him up then sent him out in basically a regular-rear end storage closet and literally threw it in the direction of Gjallarhorn...having Todo die of asphyxiation in the process. I'd not even considered that he'd just be unconscious or something...maybe it was the whole 'this was revealed as the stinger at the very end of the episode' deal that would've been a little weird if that wasn't meant to show 'he died in a dark claustrophobic space desperately unable to breathe'. The pod opens with a fancy sci-fi sound, which implies escape pod or something to me, not coffin  He looks beat up, not dead. If he was asphyxiated, wouldn't his whole face be blue? or pale?
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Srice posted:Perhaps the show will not engage in mecha trope bingo, and not have any ~mid season upgrade~ outside of new weapons they scavenge. Not a chance. There will be more more model kits. If the Barbatos does not upgrade to a new unit entirely it will get a change significant enough to sell a new model kit. That isn't Mecha Show Trope Bingo, that's just how mecha shows work. Frankly though, Barbatos is better set up for this. The core gimmick of the unit encourages new forms pretty frequently. (AGE did too and squandered it but... AGE.) Having minor cosmetic changes and selling them as Barbatos (Xth) form works out well in terms of story (since they don't need to justify random upgrades like G-Reco did) and in terms of model sales. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Nov 20, 2015 |
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What is even the argument. We've seen the mid-season upgradeDarth Walrus posted:New kits have been revealed.
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boom boom boom posted:What is even the argument. We've seen the mid-season upgrade That is almost certainly not the actual upgrade. It's used by the Graze Kai too and is more in-line with a GN-ARMS or G-Fighter/Skygrasper. It'd be neat if they went more for Original Gundam and had the only upgrades be mechanical improvements and a goofy backpack but it just seems unlikely. Edit: Also at very least I feel like Barbatos is gonna have to scrap one of the other Gundams for an upgrade. It would almost be straight-up disappointing if that didn't happen. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Nov 20, 2015 |
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...it would actually make a lot of sense for the Barbatos's big upgrade to be basically wearing a ton of parts of the Kimaris, especially in the shoulders, knees, and that gigantic lance.
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Srice posted:Perhaps the show will not engage in mecha trope bingo, and not have any ~mid season upgrade~ outside of new weapons they scavenge. It's not slavishly following mecha tropes, though. The Barbatos has been continually evolving with every single fight and they just made contact with a group of people who both have access to modern mobile suits and the knowledge of how to repair them.
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Kanos posted:Maybe the midseason upgrade is an abdomen. ImpAtom posted:Edit: Also at very least I feel like Barbatos is gonna have to scrap one of the other Gundams for an upgrade. It would almost be straight-up disappointing if that didn't happen.
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Kanos posted:It's not slavishly following mecha tropes, though. The Barbatos has been continually evolving with every single fight and they just made contact with a group of people who both have access to modern mobile suits and the knowledge of how to repair them. I agree that it's not slavishly following them but heck that doesn't stop the bingo game here.
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Srice posted:I agree that it's not slavishly following them but heck that doesn't stop the bingo game here. I like IBO but it isn't exactly breaking a ton of rules. Maybe I'll be surprised by the time it ends but I've long since learned to not expect that from an anime like this. That isn't a bad thing (and I think the "Char of IBO" stuff is overblown) but by its very nature as a Gundam show it's gonna stick to some things. Like as fun as Mika and Kudleia are they are literally our third "screwed up child soldier/princess' set of leading characters and the best subversion I can see there is "it doesn't end up implied-romance." (Which apparently Gundam 00 was also supposed to be doing so even that isn't a subversion.) ' It's not even just a case of 'checking off tropes' but about the fact that certain roles can only go certain places within the framework of a story. Yeah, I think Orga is going to either die or end up estranged from Mika. That isn't because of "Gundam Bingo" but because presenting a strong relationship like that in a story means that at some point it has to be taxed because otherwise there's no meaningful change in either character. With Orga's personality being set as it is there has to come a point when things gently caress up and when Orga's goal is to do dangerous exciting things to live up to Mika's expectations then "it fucks up" has to have pretty major consequences to feel meaningful. That isn't Gundam Tropes it's just what i expect from writing. A Gundam getting an upgrade isn't just "Gundam Bingo," it is a central part of almost every mecha show because it presents a concrete transformative moment where the protagonist achieves a new level of power which tends to coincide with a more significant personal change in their personal growth. The mecha in mecha shows are personal avatars of the pilot and their upgrades carry thematic and personal weight. They also coincide with "sell more toys, ya'll" but that's either here nor there. Even an upgrade that doesn't actually change the unit (like the Magnetic Coating on RX-78-2) comes at the same point as Amuro's Newtype awakening reaches its head. So yes, I think Mika is going to get a mid-season upgrade. I don't think this because TV Tropes said so but because it's a central aspect of mecha writing and a major part of the genre that the character's avatar changes based off personal growth (and also to sell more toys.) ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Nov 20, 2015 |
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It's Gundam. The entire franchise is quite literally built on using similar motifs and character concepts to try and tell different stories. Trying to see how this show is deciding to handle that stuff doesn't make you some mouth breathing moron who can't appreciate unique stories (or whatever the hell Srice is trying to imply with their never ending  ), it's being a Gundam fan.
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