Batman v Superman: Dawn of Color?

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Toady: Jan 12, 2009

Baron Bifford posted:

I haven't found anything in the interviews or Blu-ray commentaries or production diaries that suggests a deeper meaning behind the rape imagery.

Unfortunately, this is why your essay reads like the "History" section of a Wikipedia article.

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Baron Bifford: May 24, 2006; Can't post for 2 years!

Not true. I threw in a few personal opinions here and there.

# ? Nov 27, 2015 11:58

Toady: Jan 12, 2009

People are information processors: what goes in is changed on its way out. The motivations of an artist can be insightful but are not the full extent of their output. The "correct" answer to the mod challenge was to acknowledge a well-known subtext, but you missed the point by basing it on interviews and production diaries instead of the film.

This dependence on creator intent is the basis of the silly Superman argument. The apolitical intentions of Detective Comics Comics, real or not, are irrelevant when it comes to political consequence. If Superman refused to give an opinion on Muslim refugees entering America, it would raise a number of disturbing questions.

# ? Nov 27, 2015 13:13

Shanty: Nov 7, 2005; I Love Dogs

I think Biff has well and truly beaten this mod challenge by basically staring everyone in the thread down with his unflinching moral absolutism. The best possible outcome of the challenge is to give him that gif of Dredd staring into the fire as an avatar, as I think we've proven by now that no one embodies that image more than ol' Biff here.

"She had her chance... to surrender."
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Shanty fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Nov 27, 2015

# ? Nov 27, 2015 14:20

Maluco Marinero: Jan 18, 2001; Damn that's a
fine elephant.

Snowman_McK posted:

This is amazing commitment to a gimmick.

It's incredible. "I want to discuss movies and what they mean, but only in respects to the mechanics of the plot, not the delivery of the plot or it's deeper implications."

If it floats your boat sure, but don't pretend you're into interpretation, you're at best perceiving the movie, not interpreting it.

# ? Nov 27, 2015 14:39

Electromax: May 6, 2007

Well its gotten people to obsessively post about it/him for pages now, including an extended discussion about an unrelated movie from 3 years ago. It's kind of funny how the general comic thread can't escape cyclical Man of Steel discussion, but in the actual thread about the franchise people just want to dissect a single person's opinion and psychology and the movie is forgotten.

# ? Nov 27, 2015 14:53

Baron Bifford: May 24, 2006; Can't post for 2 years!

The phrase "let's agree to disagree" is something that goons don't understand.

# ? Nov 27, 2015 15:00

Lil Mama Im Sorry: Oct 14, 2012; I'M BACK AND I'M SCARIN' WHITE FOLKS

Baron Bifford posted:

Every gangster that Dredd kills is a cycle of violence ended.

# ? Nov 27, 2015 15:32

Sir Kodiak: May 14, 2007

Baron Bifford posted:

The phrase "let's agree to disagree" is something that goons don't understand.

The phrase is understood well enough to know when not to use it.

# ? Nov 27, 2015 15:39

Shanty: Nov 7, 2005; I Love Dogs

Every gangster that Dredd kills is a cycle of violence ended.
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# ? Nov 27, 2015 15:40

Lil Mama Im Sorry: Oct 14, 2012; I'M BACK AND I'M SCARIN' WHITE FOLKS

BrianWilly posted:

Timeo Danaos et Dona Ferentes
The Intersection of Western Folklore and Divine Morality Exemplified by Click

The 2006 movie Click is rife with inspiration, subtext, and imagery stemming from various folklore and mythological motifs spanning the breadths of human history. Click belongs to a certain genre of films that gained (or regained) popularity in the early 2000s -- such as Bruce Almighty and Bedazzled -- which depict an average middle-class man who is granted supernatural powers by a "genie" figure to cope with various struggles, and end up learning various lessons through their use and misuse of those powers. Click uses these archetypal storylines and culture tales to impart a tragicomedic parable of social, moral, and religious significance.

In this film, protagonist Michael Newman is an architect torn between work and family obligations; he wants to be promoted at work in order to provide better, more expensive things for his wife and children, but the more he works, the less time he has for his family, and the worse off his home life becomes. Wanting at least one thing in his life to be fixed, Michael ventures into the "Beyond" section of Bed, Bath, & Beyond in search of a universal remote control in order to watch TV. It is here that he meets Morty, a mysterious technician who gives him a special universal remote control that he claims is not on the market yet.

This Universal Remote Control grants Michael (whose name, incidentally, means "Who is like God?") near-godlike capabilities; he can freeze time, speed up time, remotely observe any moment of his life, among other powers. He uses this power to improve on his life in large and small ways, usually by fast-forwarding past inconvenient events that he doesn't want to experience in order to get to the stuff that he does. He skips past his illnesses, traffic jams, dinner with his parents, arguments with his wife, all in order to better work on his architectural projects in order to please his boss. Eventually this starts to backfire on him when he ignores Morty's warnings about the remote and skips past to whenever his next promotion is; in doing so, he has unintentionally skipped past not just weeks or months of his life, but an entire year.

Worse, the Universal Remote Control takes on a life of its own, "remembering" the sorts of events that Michael is prone to skipping past, and starts to skip past Michael's life without his input, putting him on unconscious autopilot through years and years. Every time Michael wakes from a time skip, he sees that while his professional, economic status has improved, his marriage and family life has unfortunately worsened bit by bit, leading very quickly to his divorce and estrangement from his children. Moreover, years and years of unhealthy eating habits have led Michael into obesity, liposuction, and subsequent heart attacks. At the end of his short life, Michael professes that family is the most important thing, and subsequently wakes up back at Bed, Bath, & Beyond, given another chance to get it right this time.

It would take weeks to compile all various folkloric sources of inspiration for the storyline of Click, though we can narrow the major inspirations to three such sources. The first major source would be the short story "The Monkey's Paw" by W.W. Jacobs, in which a family is given a magical artifact that grants wishes, but exacts horrifying consequences to bring about those wishes. When the elderly husband wishes for money that he himself admits to not needing, he receives that exact amount of money the next day, as liability compensation, when his son dies in a work accident. The story imparts psychological horror (as does Click), but functions equally as morality play; the user of this monkey's paw, who originally had everything he actually wanted, is punished for seeking more material wealth with the loss of his family.

Michael Newman pays the same price when he uses his own monkey's paw, the Universal Remote Control, in pursuit of material gains, although the loss of his family is (mostly) figurative in this scenario whereas he himself suffers an actual deterioration of physical health, which ultimately ends in his death. Only when he finally affirms his devotion to his family, and imparts that devotion onto his son with his dying breath, does Morty hit the reset button to bring Michael back before it all began. Michael's relationship with his family is literally Life-sustaining, while his degree of professional and financial success -- as enabled by the Universal Remote's autopilot feature -- is directly proportional with his failing health; ie, with Death. To cognitively interact with loved ones is to be alive. To zone through your years on autopilot for the sake of the next promotion is to die.

_{(Alternatively: Michael does die in that scene, and the rest of the film is set with him in Heaven, enjoying his rewards. More on this below.)}

Which, to be honest, can barely be considered subtext at all, considering that Morty in fact reveals himself as the Angel of Death near the last of Michael's time-skips. It is along these lines that the more religious inspirations for Click become apparent, as well as its second major folkloric source: the legend of Faust, and all the spiritual, philosophic, moralistic implications thereof.

The story of Faust, which was also the inspiration for aforementioned blue-collar-man-gains-omnipotent-wishes film Bedazzled, is an elementally-religious parable wherein Faust the protagonist, a well-to-do scholar with no apparent social or financial concerns (noticing a theme, here?), sells his soul to devil-ersatz Mephistopheles for social and financial gains. The devil's help, however, doesn't end up helping the way Faust expects it to and makes things far worse for him and those around him. At the end Faust is dragged into hell forever...or, in later revisions of the story, he atones and receives God's mercy. In other words, this is Michael Newman's story to the tee: the man seeking easy answers through the supernatural, the learned ignoramus getting in over his head, the sinner desperate for redemption at the end of his road.

_{Passage through the Underworld}

To be sure, Morty need not have identified himself as an actual religious entity to be a perfect stand-in for Mephistopheles; everything he's done from the very beginning of the film cements that comparison. Morty calling himself the Angel of Death almost seems to contradict his position as the trickster-devil archetype...until we consider that the Angel of Death is known as Samael in Judaic lore, conflated with the serpent who tempted Eve into eating the Fruit of Knowledge. And so, the appellation of a devil figure who tempts humankind with power and material gains -- yet also grants understanding and knowledge onto his victims at the same time -- fits Morty quite well.

In this reading, Michael is not just Faust, but an Adam/Eve archetype as well, manipulated by a fallen angel into rejecting the love of their Father for non-spiritual gains. This explains the lengthy scene where Michael, having discovered that he autopiloted through the death of his own father, rewinds himself to observe the last conversation they ever had...which was that of Michael harshly rebuking his father for wanting to spend time with him. Michael's father Theodore (name meaning: "God's gift") tries to impart sacred affection and wisdom onto Michael in the form of familial attachments, but Michael is deaf to those teachings in his pursuit of the serpent Samael's temptations, of Death, of Godlessness.

This makes the aforementioned scene where Michael, at Death's door, desperately tries to impart the same affection and wisdom onto his own son Benjamin (name meaning: "Son of my right hand," wherein right hand signifies strength and authority) quite a bit more significant as well. Benjamin, the child of Michael/Adam/Eve, personifies the whole of humanity. When Michael imparts his dying plea for his son to put his family first above all else, he's imparting that plea onto humanity itself. And he is in fact literally doing that, because the film itself is imparting that message onto humanity, aka the audience, at the same exact time. It is a morality play, after all.

However, the one tidbit that puts a bit of a damper on the Faustian reading of Click is that Morty is not actually malevolent. There's no doubt that he tricks Michael by way of omitting important details regarding the Universal Remote, but it would be very hard to argue that Morty doesn't ultimately have Michael's best interests at heart. He does explicitly and earnestly warn Michael against using the Universal Remote in the specific ways that would negatively affect his wellbeing. It's not a deal; it's a test. The fact that Michael doesn't listen to Morty is what gets him in trouble, and the fact that Michael ignores Morty's warnings (albeit without all the relevant information Morty could have disclosed) is on Michael and Michael alone. By this reading, Morty is God, not the serpent. And it's hard to truly exemplify a "deal with the devil" story archetype when you don't exactly have a devil and don't even have a deal.

So let's dig even deeper. Let's go back even further. The Monkey's Paw and the legend of Faust both embody the classic tutelary message to "be careful what you wish for"...an idiom that can be traced back to one of Aesop's fables titled "The Old Man and Death" which, in a nutshell, encourages the reader to retain their love of life no matter what circumstances they may face (...noticing a theme, here...?). And so finally we approach the third and most major folkloric source of the movie Click, the great-grand-father progenitor of Western archetypal stories, the morality plays from which morality plays are wrought, some of the best-known catalogs of mankind's examination of society and the divine and our relationship to them both: Greek loving mythology. Sorry. I got excited.

The Greek myth most pertinent to the overarching themes of Click would be that of King Midas, who asked the gods for the power to turn everything he touches into gold. The Universal Remote Control, of course, represents the Golden Touch, granting Michael instant financial success at the cost of what he truly needs. It's an enduring archetypal story that has shifted and adapted to innumerable cultures through the eons, and the parable practically writes itself: don't be greedy, don't covet what you don't need, material wealth is meaningless if you lose your family (in Midas' case, his daughter) in the process. Additionally, the Greek Hades is the god of the dead and of wealth, which handily conflates the biggest allegories in Click into one convenient package.

On the other hand, to fixate any analysis solely on Michael's desire for wealth is to miss some of the more powerful elements of Click's social message. I've downplayed this so far throughout the essay, but at this point it's important to note that Michael is vile. He is toxic. He is rude, belligerent, vindictive, spiteful, and harmful against any number of men, women, and children throughout the film. He is a creature of rage. He shouts at his wife and children when things don't go his way. He gets angry at a group of teenagers for the heinous crime of setting off fireworks during the 4th of July, and at one point chases them -- presumably to physically assault them -- in full view of numerous celebrating families, including his own. He runs over a neighborhood child's treasured toy with his own car because he finds the child annoying. Later, he abuses the power of the Universal Remote to cause physical harm to that same child by way of a baseball to the face. He mocks his wife's friend in front of the both of them until the friend is brought to tears. The list cascades on.

Michael Newman is not merely lacking in personal, financial, or spiritual qualities; he is also an active detriment to Society. He is a blight against behavioral codes of family, of local community, of civility. He upends the very basis of philotimo -- an enduring Greek moral concept which prescribes a profound system of personal, familial, and societal virtues -- with every waking breath.

Naturally, the gods of society take note of him. Naturally, they must intervene to reestablish rightness and order.

A confession: nothing irks me so much as the dense contemporary notion that Greek gods were some kind of chaotic lawless force with no regard for foolish mortals and their puny whims. That is a modern reinvention of mythology, not mythology in its authentic context; the ancients simply did not see their gods that way. They saw their gods as embodiments of civilization and cultural doctrine. As arbiters of morality and knowledge. The Olympian gods represented the principles of art, beauty, and spirituality that the historical Hellenes most valued in their society. This was a view of divinity that persisted onto the fundaments of Western society, onto the Roman Empire, onto Renaissance art and literature, onto the American founding fathers.

The gods' function in mythology was to reward those who behaved virtuously and to punish those who acted against the righteous codes of society, against philotimo. They enacted poetic vengeance against murderers, oathbreakers, kinslayers, the prideful and the gluttonous, those who abuse their power and those who mistreated their fellows. The gods tested mortals, most usually by taking the guise of harmless mortals themselves and walking amongst them; anyone you meet might in fact be a god in disguise, so you'd better be on your best behavior at all times. All these stories and films about supernatural beings walking among average people, testing their moral fiber and imparting social wisdom? Source it to the Greeks. They envisioned their gods as Society itself acting to fix any flaws within its sacred system, correcting the seams in the greater tapestry that is civilization.

Michael Newman is one such flaw. And yet...Michael is not some foreigner intruder set to invade this pristine social system, like a virus attempting to infect a hapless host. Michael is not apart from society...rather, Michael is more like a cancerous growth, a product of the grand organism itself, mutated and anomalized from the very materials that comprise the host animal. Michael is, ultimately, a product of his environment. As much as he profanes against righteous social mores as a matter of course, it was those social mores that taught him that financial success is the key to happiness, that his family would be happier with more material possessions.

A flashback to Michael's youth reveals that, on a camping trip, many of his friends deserted him to hang out with another child with a better, TV-included trailer. In the present day, Michael's wife and children are in fact ecstatic when he presents them with expensive gifts. Michael didn't just wake up one day and magically decide to lust for wealth; he has encountered empirical evidence all his life that money makes people happy. And that's the real tragedy here...which, appropriately, the Greeks also invented.

"Greek tragedy is always a story of the insoluble. The conflict of personal desire versus the demands of society. And tragedies always begin long before the first scene is played. They are born often enough of actions taken in purity, be it in intention or emotion, done more often than not for the best of reasons." _{-Wonder Woman}

"Every choice I make, every thing I do, I disappoint somebody," Michael bemoans to his wife near the beginning of the film. Why shouldn't this man be a constant, toxic pile of rage and frustrations? Society and his own empirical experiences have taught him to behave in a certain way and yet no one is happy with him when he behaves that way. Michael "fails" Morty's test by misusing the Universal Remote despite Morty's warnings, and yet Morty set up Michael up to fail in the first place by withholding valuable information. Similarly, Michael was set up to fail by his own environment and upbringing long before he ever made any crucial choices of his own free will. This dichotomy between culpability and innocence, between Michael being responsible for his own poor decisions and the fateful irrevocability of Michael being guided towards those poor decisions, forms the cornerstones of Greek tragedy.

All the same, Michael's empirical experience with his fated future allows him the capacity to change it. At the core of Click's storyline is the appeal towards self-improvment, but it is self-improvement as instigated by outside forces; there was absolutely nothing wrong with Michael's life besides Michael's own perspective of it, but he still needed divine intervention to see that. What Click is saying is that flaws within the social system cannot self-correct because the very system bolsters those flaws. A broken cog in the machine cannot unbreak itself. Rather, the social system requires an outside influence, a god unbound by mortal limitations or constrained by the causality of the machine, in order to change fate. To be circumspect of your own limitations, to acknowledge that Heaven is the ultimate arbiter of man's fate, for improvement or otherwise, is also very Greek.

As such, Click is a film that takes cues from various comparable cultural mythoses to produce some very fundamental messages regarding life, death, and all else in between. To understand the inner workings of this film is to grasp some of the most enduring, most elemental lessons from the best that human literature has to offer through the ages.

I feel like the KKK, Judge Dredd, and cognitive wizardry overshadowed what a great essay this is. Thank you for writing this.

# ? Nov 27, 2015 15:47

Doc Fission: Sep 11, 2011

This thread got weird fast and I'm excited to be on the ground floor.

I am unironically excited for Batman v Superman. Can't wait for Superman to snatch Lex Luthor's weave.

# ? Nov 27, 2015 16:18

RBA Starblade: Apr 28, 2008; Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Baron Bifford you're a beautiful creature and don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise. Just keep on truckin' buddy.

# ? Nov 27, 2015 17:07

GonSmithe: Apr 25, 2010; Perhaps it's in the nature of television. Just waves in space.

When I first put this Mod Challenge through to you, Baron Bifford, I wanted to see exactly what you would come up with with such an easy topic. I hoped you might put aside how you currently analyze movies and try flexing some new muscles. I hoped that everyone involved in the sub-challenge would have a fun time writing silly essays for bad movies (not saying the three submissions were silly, they're all very well done), and yours would be the icing on the cake; a thought-out essay on a classic.

Then I saw your PMs. Then I saw your response to the posts in the thread. And then you submitted your essay.
If I was a college professor, I would give you somewhere in the C to C- range, because you did what I asked of you. You wrote a short essay on the subject of sex in Alien. What you did not do was understand the point of the mod challenge. I wanted you to go beyond what the director or script writer said in the commentary and see what the movie had to say about sex to you. There is no one way to interpret a movie or its themes, and you were not being ridicululed because you went against others' interpretations. Your essay may as well be a list of facts about the movie in bulleted form, it would serve the same purpose.

Due to your lack of understanding of the point of the Mod Challenge and the essay you provided, you have failed. Were this any other Mod Challenge a ban would already be queued for you, waiting for approval. In this Challenge, though, I am not the final word. The three Sub-Challenge essays submitted by Jenny Angel, Hbomberguy and BrianWilly are all better than yours. All of them understood the purpose of this Challenge, and wrote three strong essays on movies that probably don't deserve them. But that's the key; their essays were still strong and made sense without needing to refer to the director or the screenwriter's comments. The allowed themselves to think critically and find deep ideas in shallow water.

So without further ado, the winner of the Subtext Sub-Challenge is...
:siren:

Hbomberguy! :siren:

With victory comes responsibility, however. It is up to you, Hbomberguy, to decide Baron Bifford's fate. Will he recieve a ban? A custom title to wear as a badge of shame? I leave the decision to you.

As promised, the three of you also get your choice of a new custom title or archives upgrade (since you all have PMs already). Any custom title you may want must fit the file size allowed, and must be PM'd to me for upload by an admin.

Thanks to everyone who participated for participating. I hope everyone reading had fun reading the great essays submitted, and I hope you all keep posting crazy poo poo in the threads to come.

GonSmithe fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Nov 28, 2015

# ? Nov 27, 2015 17:16

Yaws: Oct 23, 2013

Have him executed. He has failed.

# ? Nov 28, 2015 04:15

Jenny Angel: Oct 24, 2010; Out of Control
Hard to Regulate
Anything Goes!; Lipstick Apathy

Congratulations, Hbomberguy! Your essay was wonderful and you deserve it.

I'll take Archives, please.

# ? Nov 28, 2015 04:21

Baron Bifford: May 24, 2006; Can't post for 2 years!

GonSmithe posted:

I wanted you to go beyond what the director or script writer said in the commentary and see what the movie had to say about sex to you.

This is what you asked of me:

GonSmithe posted:

You will write a short essaay (500-800 words) on the major subtext of Alien: sex. Almost every frame of the movie is dripping (heh) with sexual themes and images, so you have a plethora to work with.

Job done. You didn't say how I should go about it. I decided to take a novel approach - referencing the filmmakers' perspective - because you do not like it when I express my perspectives.

GonSmithe posted:

you were not being ridicululed because you went against others' interpretations.

Yes I was. Moron, troll, idiot - what am I supposed to take from that?

GonSmithe posted:

A custom title to wear as a badge of shame?

An innocent comment on my part about Superman lead to a heated but polite debate and that lead to this? Oh gently caress off.

# ? Nov 28, 2015 04:28

Jenny Angel: Oct 24, 2010; Out of Control
Hard to Regulate
Anything Goes!; Lipstick Apathy

Baron Bifford posted:

Goons just don't know how to let go.

# ? Nov 28, 2015 04:43

Burkion: May 10, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Baron Bifford posted:

This is what you asked of me:

Job done. You didn't say how I should go about it. I decided to take a novel approach - referencing the filmmakers' perspective - because you do not like it when I express my perspectives.

Yes I was. Moron, troll, idiot - what am I supposed to take from that?

An innocent comment on my part about Superman lead to a heated but polite debate and that lead to this? Oh gently caress off.

You're already dead stop stop

# ? Nov 28, 2015 04:57

CV 64 Fan: Oct 13, 2012; It's pretty dope.

Absolutely delicious.

# ? Nov 28, 2015 04:59

Hat Thoughts: Jul 27, 2012

# ? Nov 28, 2015 05:13

Corek: May 11, 2013; by R. Guyovich

If he reregs, we'll know immediately who he is because of his posting style, right?

# ? Nov 28, 2015 05:14

Sir Kodiak: May 14, 2007

Corek posted:

If he reregs, we'll know immediately who he is because of his posting style, right?

How could we know anything about his posts if he doesn't explain it to us himself?

# ? Nov 28, 2015 05:16

BrianWilly: Apr 24, 2007; There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand

...Did he just fall on his blade before final judgment was rendered?

Farewell, Wanda avatar. You annoyed me well-ish.

# ? Nov 28, 2015 05:30

Jenny Angel: Oct 24, 2010; Out of Control
Hard to Regulate
Anything Goes!; Lipstick Apathy

My man Baron posts like an anime villain just mind controlled him into bashing his skull against a wall till he dies

My man Baron posts like a sovereign citizen getting tased six words into his dramatic courtroom speech

My man Baron posts like he ain't about to take this probation lying down, and is already putting together a twelve point plan to blame this and other misfortunes in his life on a randomly selected minority group

# ? Nov 28, 2015 05:37

Lurdiak: Feb 26, 2006; I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.

I feel like this entire saga would've made a lot more sense to me if I'd been posting in CD longer.

# ? Nov 28, 2015 05:38

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Baron Bifford posted:

Yeah, semantics are a problem. When I say Superman is "politically neutral" or "apolitical", I mean that he almost never takes a position that could be offensive to a large number of Americans. He thinks democracy is cool and racism is bad and that Nazis suck - political indeed, but very non-controversial as far as Western audiences go. I also mean that most of Superman's villains and their schemes are too ridiculous and out-of-this-world. In the Golden Age, Superman used to fight strike-breakers and slumlords and negligent employers, and that was definitely a Superman who stood for something. How times have changed. Nowadays, Superman stands for nothing in particular.

right now superman is fighting corrupt cops and politicians (who have been taken over by shadow monsters) who are making GBS threads on his mostly minority neighborhood

i know this is a day late and he's eaten a 100k hour one but i need to point this out

# ? Nov 28, 2015 05:39

Corek: May 11, 2013; by R. Guyovich

Jenny Angel posted:

My man Baron posts like an anime villain just mind controlled him into bashing his skull against a wall till he dies

My man Baron posts like a sovereign citizen getting tased six words into his dramatic courtroom speech

My man Baron posts like he ain't about to take this probation lying down, and is already putting together a twelve point plan to blame this and other misfortunes in his life on a randomly selected minority group

Baron's cycle of violence ends here.

# ? Nov 28, 2015 05:45

Pirate Jet: May 2, 2010

With Baron gone, who's going to rush to post all the superhero movie OPs now!?!?

# ? Nov 28, 2015 05:59

Hbomberguy: Jul 4, 2009; [culla=big red]TufFEE did nO THINg WÌ¡RAÌ¸NG[/read]

Congrats to the other two posters, who IMO wrote better essays than me but I'm not going to look the opportunity to feel powerful in the mouth:

I'd previously said I didn't want to see Bifford banned, but his general attitude in the thread after that point has been to show that nothing can change his mind but his own - when someone simply enjoys being contrarian. they probably need to go away and think for awhile about what they think and why. I know I think clearer about things after I put some time between it.

I see Bifford's currently probated for a crazy amount of time - over 4,000 days in fact - but personally I'd settle for however many days it takes for it to be december 25 next year (I can't do maths).

It'll be like opening a christmas present. And for the rest of us it'll hopefully be the same - a wonderful new Baron Bifford, whose smiling dogface has learned what subtext is.

Also in lieu of a new title can I get one of those tags like Jenny Angel's 'lipstick apathy' thing (I wish I knew what that was even from!), but one that reads 'Lacan's Lapdog' ?

# ? Nov 28, 2015 07:14

Lurdiak: Feb 26, 2006; I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.

People got those from donating to the new database server thing and I think the words were chosen randomly by Lowtax.

# ? Nov 28, 2015 07:16

Schwarzwald: Jul 27, 2004; Don't Blink

Hbomberguy posted:

I see Bifford's currently probated for a crazy amount of time - over 4,000 days in fact - but personally I'd settle for however many days it takes for it to be december 25 next year (I can't do maths).

As of this moment, he'd need to be probated 9407 hours for him to be released on Christmas next year (EST).

# ? Nov 28, 2015 07:18

GonSmithe: Apr 25, 2010; Perhaps it's in the nature of television. Just waves in space.

Hbomberguy posted:

Congrats to the other two posters, who IMO wrote better essays than me but I'm not going to look the opportunity to feel powerful in the mouth:

I'd previously said I didn't want to see Bifford banned, but his general attitude in the thread after that point has been to show that nothing can change his mind but his own - when someone simply enjoys being contrarian. they probably need to go away and think for awhile about what they think and why. I know I think clearer about things after I put some time between it.

I see Bifford's currently probated for a crazy amount of time - over 4,000 days in fact - but personally I'd settle for however many days it takes for it to be december 25 next year (I can't do maths).

It'll be like opening a christmas present. And for the rest of us it'll hopefully be the same - a wonderful new Baron Bifford, whose smiling dogface has learned what subtext is.

Also in lieu of a new title can I get one of those tags like Jenny Angel's 'lipstick apathy' thing (I wish I knew what that was even from!), but one that reads 'Lacan's Lapdog' ?

I didn't put in the ban, he asked for it himself.

And yeah, those are from donating for DB3, I have no control over those.

# ? Nov 28, 2015 07:33

Hbomberguy: Jul 4, 2009; [culla=big red]TufFEE did nO THINg WÌ¡RAÌ¸NG[/read]

Ah. In that case, is it possible to get a gang tag instead? If you PM me the dimensions/size requirements I can whip something up for that.

I want to be in my very own gang. Of one.

# ? Nov 28, 2015 07:45

Harime Nui: Apr 15, 2008; The New Insincerity

You basically just insert it using the [img] tag into your usertext so if you ask for av cert you can add a gang tag if you want.

e: also you like Kill la Kill right you should join N A N I S O R E the best anime gang

Harime Nui fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Nov 28, 2015

# ? Nov 28, 2015 07:47