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raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
#actuallyraped #beingserious #legitimatewaytovoiceagrievance

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Woden
May 6, 2006

Kal-L posted:

So... honest question, has she filed criminal charges?

I mean, I can understand if it was so long ago in whatever U.S. state so the statute of limitations apply or whatever, but I think it would go a long way to help her cause if she actually went to the police to file charges against her rapist, if possible.

And before someone says I'm a rape apologist, let me say that I think all rape accusations deserve to be seriously investigated with the full resources of the law. Kthanx, that's all. :v:

There's been about 5 people come out and say he goes too far, ignores safeties and/or is pretty rapey.

Statute of limitations or whatever didn't seem to stop the legal train on Cosby so hopefully the same will go down here, or worse as just not being able to work in the industry is probably not enough and he really should serve time.

I mean if Rocco can do what he does for like 30 years and it's all good then this guy must have really hosed up.

Kal-L
Jan 18, 2005

Heh... Spider-man... Web searches... That's funny. I should've trademarked that one. Could've made a mint.

Woden posted:

I mean if Rocco can do what he does for like 30 years and it's all good then this guy must have really hosed up.

Yeah, I get what you mean. On the other hand,sex is such a taboo theme that people are not willing to challenge their own views on the matter, and they judge according to their own prejudices.

But that doesn't excuse outright aggression against others, whether they're women, men or whatever.

I am not a book
Mar 9, 2013

Don Tacorleone posted:

The gently caress? Cytherea was legit raped? I never heard anything about that. hosed up. Should've posted on Twitter, Cyth

She did though?(Maybe not literally tweeted, but it wasn't a secret) Her fans took up a collection for her because yeah apparently being sexually assaulted kind of makes it difficult to go back to sex work immediately.

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004

FIRST TIME posted:

They're a lovely company that acts like they're more ethical than more mainstream porn studios when they act just as poorly while making straight up rape porn.

its about ethics in mainstream porn studios

TEAH SYAG
Oct 2, 2009

by Lowtax
Perhaps in the future women should not select "more" or "harder" as safewords

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Woden posted:

There's been about 5 people come out and say he goes too far, ignores safeties and/or is pretty rapey.


Sooo one twitter accusation of rape, and 3 people saying he's a jerk? Yep. Guilty.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

Neither person involved here has any real credibility because Deen is on the defensive and Stoya revealed all this in a loving tweet and hasn't done anything concrete otherwise, so this is the greatest he said she said of our time.

I'm all for chasing down every lead if she goes to the police or, like, anything but this. But at the moment this just seems like twitter character assassination

down n out
Sep 16, 2008

Nap Ghost
Sorry Deen, you just got Cosby'd.

Sethex
Jun 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Woden posted:


I mean if Rocco can do what he does for like 30 years and it's all good then this guy must have really hosed up.

Wait what did rocco do?

Booblord Zagats
Oct 30, 2011


Pork Pro

Sethex posted:

Wait what did rocco do?

Wears a trillby on his ballsack during all facial abuse scenes

Sethex
Jun 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

whoflungpoop posted:

bc feminism is about choice some women choose to stay at home and dedicate their time to raising a family, some women choose to sex other women, some choose to pursue a career, and sometimes that career involves mopping up a roomfull of stranger's piss and jizz with ur hair

Feminism is a mechanism of capitalism meant to increase labour participation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do5zrdTb-yI

down n out
Sep 16, 2008

Nap Ghost

Booblord Zagats posted:

Wears a trillby on his ballsack during all facial abuse scenes

It's only smells...it's only smells...

Icept
Jul 11, 2001
I felt like that part in return of the king where the hobbits got rescued by eagles was a little contrived but I don't think I would say that it raped the books.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Sethex posted:

Feminism is a mechanism of capitalism meant to increase labour participation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do5zrdTb-yI

I dunno, weren't the Soviets and Mao-era PRC pretty big on women wearing the same shapeless overalls and doing the same manufacturing poo poo as men?

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

loquacius posted:

I dunno, weren't the Soviets and Mao-era PRC pretty big on women wearing the same shapeless overalls and doing the same manufacturing poo poo as men?

If you have two hands then you can farm grain for the Motherland, comrade

Sethex
Jun 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

loquacius posted:

I dunno, weren't the Soviets and Mao-era PRC pretty big on women wearing the same shapeless overalls and doing the same manufacturing poo poo as men?

This is true, the imposition of women into their workforces to me seems to be motivated by increasing productive mechanisms.

Which is relatively similar to the motivations within capitalism, the difference being that in later manifestations of socialism mothers would be granted stipens to support their families as they are permitted to dedicate their energies toward their families.

This process is also present in capitalism but only for the bourgeous. The lower classes must in a sense refrain from reproduction, live in poverty with children or work and become absentee parents.

Feminism does argue at times for maternity leave but this solution only resolves the damages done by 2nd wave feminism for the first years of child rearing. What is truly necessary is a mother's or care-givers pension, which i have never seen a feminist ever mention.

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
i don't get it tho if u are a mma fighter and u fight really well and ur entire identity is tied to being a fighter and u knee ur boyfriend who is also an mma fighter during sparring it doesn't mean u are suddenly an abusive partner

Smelly Bohemian
Aug 20, 2015

by Lowtax

Top City Homo posted:

i don't get it tho if u are a mma fighter and u fight really well and ur entire identity is tied to being a fighter and u knee ur boyfriend who is also an mma fighter during sparring it doesn't mean u are suddenly an abusive partner

It's true, MMA fighters are legally incapable of committing assault.

proof of concept
Mar 6, 2005

by FactsAreUseless

Top City Homo posted:

i don't get it tho if u are a mma fighter and u fight really well and ur entire identity is tied to being a fighter and u knee ur boyfriend who is also an mma fighter during sparring it doesn't mean u are suddenly an abusive partner

if you're sparring, and the other guy say stop or taps out, and you ignore that and knock him out or break his arm, then that's not sparring it's assault

mr. mephistopheles
Dec 2, 2009

i don't understand why victims of traumatic sexual violence don't just go to the police who will totally believe them instantly and have a nice long chat about it and for sure punish the rapist

also i'm autistic

Woden posted:

There's been about 5 people come out and say he goes too far, ignores safeties and/or is pretty rapey.

Statute of limitations or whatever didn't seem to stop the legal train on Cosby so hopefully the same will go down here, or worse as just not being able to work in the industry is probably not enough and he really should serve time.

I mean if Rocco can do what he does for like 30 years and it's all good then this guy must have really hosed up.

actually statute of limitations did stop the legal train on cosby

the only thing that is happening to him is several of the women he raped are suing him for defamation for his public denial of raping them tarnishing their character

he can't and won't actually be charged with rape or sexual assault

rape is super hard to prove even immediately because it's almost always he said/she said and if the woman has done anything after the rape besides go straight to have a rape kit done like shower or go to friends and family then there's almost never physical evidence and especially a drugged person likely isn't going to have any physical trauma because it doesn't require force to rape them

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

Getting lots of good tips itt

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

mr. mephistopheles posted:

i don't understand why victims of traumatic sexual violence don't just go to the police, but will instead tell everyone on Twitter who will totally believe them instantly and have a nice long chat about it and for sure punish the rapist

also i'm autistic

City of Tampa
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot

mr. mephistopheles posted:

i don't understand why victims of traumatic sexual violence don't just go to the police who will totally believe them instantly and have a nice long chat about it and for sure punish the rapist


uh yeah, unironically this.

I know that we are supposed to pretend that it's 1950 and cops will always call a rape victim a slut and laugh in her face, but in reality in America in 2015 our cops are extremely aggressive and love nothing more then going apeshit on people as soon as they have even the tiniest bit of justification (like a rape accusation). lots and lots of people are prosecuted and imprisoned for rape.

CuRvY G0oNeTTe
Oct 30, 2015

by Lowtax
Lipstick Apathy

Sethex posted:

What is truly necessary is a mother's or care-givers pension, which i have never seen a feminist ever mention.
because you know zero about feminism and do not talk to feminists ever http://bfy.tw/33vJ

CuRvY G0oNeTTe
Oct 30, 2015

by Lowtax
Lipstick Apathy

City of Tampa posted:

uh yeah, unironically this.

I know that we are supposed to pretend that it's 1950 and cops will always call a rape victim a slut and laugh in her face, but in reality in America in 2015 our cops are extremely aggressive and love nothing more then going apeshit on people as soon as they have even the tiniest bit of justification (like a rape accusation). lots and lots of people are prosecuted and imprisoned for rape.

another retard who thinks they know facts but in reality knows poo poo. go back 2 watching ur rape porn u fat rapist

Germstore
Oct 17, 2012

A Serious Candidate For a Serious Time

CuRvY G0oNeTTe posted:

because you know zero about feminism and do not talk to feminists ever http://bfy.tw/33vJ

You could google 'nihilist monkey training' and get a relevant result but it doesn't mean that comes up often.

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007
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Smelly Bohemian posted:

It's true, MMA fighters are legally incapable of committing assault.

Nothing bad happened to that one MMA fighter dating a porn star.

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
Pick a number, any number
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Kal-L posted:

Maybe the end goal should be that anyone that seriously files for rape charges gets treated seriously? Yeah, there would be a window time were people don't file/file for imagined wrongs, but in the end it would prevent all this "she said/he said" poo poo? That way the real culprits get punished, and the innocent don't have to spend the rest of their lives denying the charges of rape? Edit:*

I mean, when someone gets accused of assault or murder, we don't go "no need for trial, that fucker's guilty", unless it's really, really obvious, but in the end that still leads to the very obviously guilty people being treated as such, while the innocents can go on with their lives. Except for O.J. gently caress that guy.

And just because someone is a worker in the sex industry doesn't mean they can't be raped. That's more of a public perception problem, instead of a "the law won't work this time" problem.

Edit: *Except in cases of capital punishment, because goddamn, you guys have really dropped the ball there!
The issue is how rape cases are handled in person and how rape cases are handled when they go viral in social media are basically the exact opposite. It's a difficult charge to prove because often the only witnesses are the accused and the victim, the rape kits usually just sit without being processed for pretty much forever, and the cops/courts can make prosecuting the crime a very lovely experience on the victim. These are all aspects of rape culture you hear about in these kinds of discussions.

On the flip side social media is very sympathetic to these kinds of stories and there's enough educated progressive people out there to know how awful it can be to go through conventional channels so they overcompensate by rallying around the accuser no matter how dubious the claims were (max tempkin was a good example of this). If it's so hard to get traction though the proper legal channels people sympathetic to the issue will make it easy to get traction in social media spheres.

There are imo good and bad aspects to this. Particularly in cases like this one or cosby where you have several people stepping forward it seems entirely unlikely this is some grand conspiracy of people who don't like the dude it's good to a see a path for the victims that circumvents the revictimization they often receive in the justice system. On a whole however I don't really like the lack of options the accused has to defend themselves in a situation like this and strongly believe in a justice system that doesn't rob innocent people of their due process just to make it easier to catch guilty people.

CuRvY G0oNeTTe
Oct 30, 2015

by Lowtax
Lipstick Apathy

Germstore posted:

You could google 'nihilist monkey training' and get a relevant result but it doesn't mean that comes up often.

oh right. so many academic journal articles and books about nihilist monkey training. thanks for clarifying things u woman-hating retard

Rambling Robot
Sep 13, 2011
Duggar Fan Club Superstar #1 LOL

TEAH SYAG posted:

Perhaps in the future women should not select "more" or "harder" as safewords

my personal safe word is 3004oofo3wolowqzx

i never actually used it.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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fyodor posted:

Love is truly dead now.

It really is. If these two sex workers could not find true love together, then what shot do the rest of us sex for pleasure people stand?

Germstore
Oct 17, 2012

A Serious Candidate For a Serious Time

CuRvY G0oNeTTe posted:

oh right. so many academic journal articles and books about nihilist monkey training. thanks for clarifying things u woman-hating retard

I'm a woman hater because I think the "LOL LET ME GOOGLE THAT FOR YOU HURRR" school of goon wit is lame? You are why people think internet feminists are vitriolic and stupid.

City of Tampa
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot

CuRvY G0oNeTTe posted:

another retard who thinks they know facts but in reality knows poo poo. go back 2 watching ur rape porn u fat rapist


lol yeah I'm sure in trust fund safespaces the idea that cops are actually very aggressive and overly eager to arrest people and that courts go out of their way to stick the most serious charges possible to as many people as they can seems crazy, but I assure you that this is how it is for people in the real world.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




City of Tampa posted:

uh yeah, unironically this.

I know that we are supposed to pretend that it's 1950 and cops will always call a rape victim a slut and laugh in her face, but in reality in America in 2015 our cops are extremely aggressive and love nothing more then going apeshit on people as soon as they have even the tiniest bit of justification (like a rape accusation). lots and lots of people are prosecuted and imprisoned for rape.

Cops hate paperwork. Following up on a rape involves lots of paperwork. We're not talking about a black guy jaywalking here.

somethingawful bf
Jun 17, 2005
You know, back in MY day, we used to call people who yelled about grand global conspiracies and cabals of men secretly running the show behind the scenes schizophrenics. Now they are called feminists????

somethingawful bf fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Dec 1, 2015

JB50
Feb 13, 2008

Hmmm yes a crime has been committed against me who should I call?

A. Police

B. Twitter

I still cant believe the lady that was assaulted by Deen in front of witnesses didnt call the cops. It wouldnt be a case of he said/she said if witnesses were present.

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City of Tampa
May 6, 2007

by zen death robot

Fitzy Fitz posted:

Cops hate paperwork. Following up on a rape involves lots of paperwork. We're not talking about a black guy jaywalking here.

cops will loving stake out hydroponics stores and look up the license plate numbers of customers so they can lie to get a warrant to bust a dude for growing a few pot plants (something that actually happened local to me) so of course they will fill out some paperwork so that they can drive a MRAP to a scumbag's house to serve a rape warrant

this idea that "oh cops don't care about extremely serious crimes because patriarchy" is hilarious nonsensical bullshit for tumblr babies and everybody involved knows this

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