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Laverna posted:I've never actually cared enough to look it up but the Amendments are basically changes people made to the original Constitution, right? The Bill of Rights (first 10 amendments) came in as the constitution was being drafted and were ratified almost immediately thereafter, there've been twentysome in total since then but they are by design extremely hard to pass, unlikely to happen a second time over bored bougies' moral panic of the week (it's been done), and more or less call for a plurality consensus among the country as a whole, where currently the consensus outside forums of sulky Che-shirted teens swings so strongly the other way that the gun control people can't even push federal laws through that would be technically constitutional even with the amendment. Their barrier isn't that danged dirty old Constitution, it's that nobody wants what they're selling. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Dec 6, 2015 |
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DeusExMachinima posted:But you have to let them in at some point I assume. Do they have to get a warrant for suspicion of a specific crime before sending you this notice? If not, it doesn't matter how accommodating they are. Every civil rights org in America would be suing. Sorry for the late reply got caught up moving house. Yeah eventually you have to let them see the gun safe and make sure it has been secured properly, that only what you say is being stored in there is in there (firearm wise, so your guns and any others that are stored on your safe) and that the ammo is in a locked container separate from the guns themselves. So it's not like they can just roam around your home willy nilly. If the safe is in the shed or laundry or w/e then you just take them there they don't have the power to search the house without a warrant. Dead Reckoning posted:So if the government required you to voluntarily sign a blanket consent to monitor your online communications get internet service, that would be OK with you? You can always do without the internet for your personal business. Maybe an agent comes to your house once a year (at your convenience, of course) and you have to log in to your computer so he can do a quick check to make sure you don't have any child pornography or anything else illegal. A responsible citizen understands that we do this for the sake of the children. So many predators out there. People who do need their guns are doing it for work like security guards, professional shooter's and farmer's just have to accept this as a work related cost like any compliance, such as the health inspector example you used.
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Laverna posted:I've never actually cared enough to look it up but the Amendments are basically changes people made to the original Constitution, right? Yes, amendments are changes to the Constitution. What I was referencing was he revolutionary fervor of the era which led many of the political scholars of the time to believe that each new generation would want to leave their revolutionary mark on governance and lay aside the material lens of history. Many of the compromises, especially in the Bill of Rights were tempered by this belief and by lessons learned in previous failed experiments. But this revolutionary fervor was, itself, a condition of the times. As far as changes now, most of the later amendments have been clarifications or expansions of previous rights, with the odd administration rules definitions. Yet even some of these were accompanied by strong resistance and violence. I am not sure what would happen to serious modern challenges to fundamental changes to government organization or underlying principles, which was a common theme of the time.
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Belief in natural rights and veneration of the Constitution are tied up in the same thing- the belief of the United States of America as Aquinas's "shining city on a hill". It is God who protects the good people of the USA from the latte-drinking, Che-shirt-wearing, hair-dyed vapid slores, betas, and queermos trying to undermine the fabric of society. This belief is in many ways a positive. It keeps genuine fascism suppressed. But it's fairly repressive, of course.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Do you guys selectively remember Iraq and Afghanistan or something? Like when Republicans jerk off over being the world police your type usually points out we didn't pacify poo poo. Then on this it's like, baffling. IDK. We used tactics over there that would never be accepted by our populace or military here (try drone striking some American city's suburbs and see what happens to your approval ratings) and still failed to achieve our goals. And even if those tactics were on the table it wouldn't be a normal war, it'd be an insurgency. Nobody's going to line up Revolutionary war style to get bombed/nuked. You would still, ultimately, lose, and once people realize that Obummer doesn't burst into flame at the mere sight of good ol' boys standing up for their God given rights they're going to seriously start to reevaluate their plan of armed revolution. Joe-John and his redneck friends talk a big game, but they'd fold like a house of cards in a hurricane at the first sign of actual danger and hardship.
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Who What Now posted:You would still, ultimately, lose, and once people realize that Obummer doesn't burst into flame at the mere sight of good ol' boys standing up for their God given rights they're going to seriously start to reevaluate their plan of armed revolution. Joe-John and his redneck friends talk a big game, but they'd fold like a house of cards in a hurricane at the first sign of actual danger and hardship.
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In any currently plausible insurrectionist situation, pro-gun people would mostly be on the side of the government, and any fighting would be as paramilitary death squads.
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Effectronica posted:In any currently plausible insurrectionist situation, pro-gun people would mostly be on the side of the government, and any fighting would be as paramilitary death squads. I most look forward not to the race war, but being able to get together with some chill bros and just unload magazine after magazine into people with bad tattoos
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DeusExMachinima posted:Do you guys selectively remember Iraq and Afghanistan or something? Like when Republicans jerk off over being the world police your type usually points out we didn't pacify poo poo. Then on this it's like, baffling. IDK. We used tactics over there that would never be accepted by our populace or military here (try drone striking some American city's suburbs and see what happens to your approval ratings) and still failed to achieve our goals. And even if those tactics were on the table it wouldn't be a normal war, it'd be an insurgency. Nobody's going to line up Revolutionary war style to get bombed/nuked. Oh great so we have to keep unnecessarily killing tens of thousands of Americans a year because you fantasize about being the American Al-Baghdadi. Let me tell ya about some necessary conditions for insurgencies: none of which you have. You need a large dedicated core of people willing to suffer hugely disproportionate casualties and die going up against a technologically superior foe, you need the support of a large fraction of the population, and you need a defection of a large part of the military to provide skills and equipment. The USA is a democratic country: when gun control laws are passed it's the kind of national consensus you get with a congressional majority and a supreme court unwilling to strike them down. You will not have the support of the population or the military. The USA is a prosperous country, there aren't that many people willing to give up their comfortable fat middle-class lives to start setting roadside bombs and gun battling the US Army. That's why the last time the same shitkickers promised to fight a dedicated insurgency for your God-given rights and show the fed they can't muscle you around what happened: Strom Thurmond posted:"On the question of social intermingling of the races, our people draw the line. All the laws of Washington and all the bayonets of the army cannot force the Negro into our homes, our schools, our churches, and our places of recreation and amusement" Harry F Byrd posted:If we can organize the Southern States for massive resistance to this order I think that in time the rest of the country will realize that racial integration is not going to be accepted in the South.  Yep yall folded like a cheap tent the second the 101st showed up because it just wasn't loving worth it.Now if we're talking about the scenario where Obama reveals his lizard face and seizes absolute power in November VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Dec 7, 2015 |
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Talking about the pretend revolution is pointless because it's all imaginary and gun fanboys always invoke Calvinball bullshit. Better points of discussion are that tens of thousands of preventable deaths per year are not an acceptable price to make their half-baked insurrection fantasies insignificantly more plausible and there's no reason to believe that the results of a gun owner-driven revolution are likely to be preferable even if they win.
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How'd you get your new title Tezzor?
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Rent-A-Cop posted:How'd you get your new title Tezzor? The joke of some repulsive anime poster. I'm making lowtax a mint here
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Tezzor posted:The joke of some repulsive anime poster. I'm making lowtax a mint here
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Tezzor, please tell us what the Institute for Historical Review's shortlist of recommended anime is.
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TFR/GBS were foolish to buy avatars one at a time. Now I know what the latest talking point will be!
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I have long said that there is no greater threat to our great nation than anime.
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Who What Now posted:I have long said that there is no greater threat to our great nation than anime. Even tezzor has fallen victim to its siren song of degeneracy. 
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The only real way to prevent gun violence is mandatory gun ownership for all people over the age of 18 and mandatory gun safety classes being taught at every public school, at all levels. I am willing to discuss compromises from Trump's 2020 reelection campaign.
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JohnGalt posted:The only real way to prevent gun violence is mandatory gun ownership for all people over the age of 18 and mandatory gun safety classes being taught at every public school, at all levels. Actually this would make gun violence worse, Original Poster.
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JohnGalt posted:The only real way to prevent gun violence is mandatory gun ownership for all people over the age of 18 and mandatory gun safety classes being taught at every public school, at all levels. You can't have a mandate like this without a means test and subsidies to ensure every American has the ability to buy a gun.
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Tezzor posted:Actually this would make gun violence worse, Original Poster. You're wrong, guy
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Effectronica posted:In any currently plausible insurrectionist situation, pro-gun people would mostly be on the side of the government, and any fighting would be as paramilitary death squads. This, unfortunately, is not what I'd call a bad bet.
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Rent-A-Cop posted:The funniest part of the whole ridiculous insurrectionist argument is that the Obama administration has proven that it couldn't organize an orgy in a whorehouse let alone the single greatest feat of executive action since the Civil War. Obama's pretty good at organizing when he actually gives a poo poo. 2008 campaign? Pioneered organization and technology into the greatest ground game you've ever seen. 2012, redux. Passing some version of PPACA despite legendary Republican intransigence and 59 senate votes because the 60th was either tied up in recount mess, slowly dying of brain cancer, or somehow turned Republican at the 11th hour, still got it. 2010 and 2014? gently caress it, I'm not up for reelection, whatever. Actually making sure the implementation of my signature health care bill has realistic deadlines and can meet them, eh. I assume a civil war would be of the kill-bin-Laden former type of giving a poo poo, and not the latter but who knows.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:The Bill of Rights (first 10 amendments) came in as the constitution was being drafted and were ratified almost immediately thereafter, there've been twentysome in total since then but they are by design extremely hard to pass, unlikely to happen a second time over bored bougies' moral panic of the week (it's been done), and more or less call for a plurality consensus among the country as a whole, where currently the consensus outside forums of sulky Che-shirted teens swings so strongly the other way that the gun control people can't even push federal laws through that would be technically constitutional even with the amendment. Actually an outright majority of Americans favor stricter gun control, and even Republicans are evenly split on the issue with pro-gun control gaining. The Republican-controlled senate is as usual ignoring the will of the people in favor of giving a sloppy blowjob to the gun manufacturer lobby 
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VitalSigns posted:Actually an outright majority of Americans favor stricter gun control, and even Republicans are evenly split on the issue with pro-gun control gaining. The Republican-controlled senate is as usual ignoring the will of the people in favor of giving a sloppy blowjob to the gun manufacturer lobby Rural voters that are much more likely to own guns are disproportionately represented in the Senate, so the Senate's preference for loose guns laws isn't solely for industry.
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VitalSigns posted:Actually an outright majority of Americans favor stricter gun control, and even Republicans are evenly split on the issue with pro-gun control gaining. The Republican-controlled senate is as usual ignoring the will of the people in favor of giving a sloppy blowjob to the gun manufacturer lobby I was sorta wondering how the entire liberal establishment simultaneously did a 180 from the no-fly list being insane authoritarian garbage to being common sense that should be applied to civil rights but if y'all can look at a shaky 5% polling lead in 'more laws good?' and see a popular mandate to rewrite the Constitution being subverted by the scheming NRA Elders of Zion I guess that answers that.
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The NRA manages five million members while yelling about Flash games and the Brady Campaign is writing manifestoes out of a shack in the woods because of a sinister Rethuglikkkan lizardperson mind control plot to make the extra 5% of people who grunt one way in a vague low-info phone poll and reverse themselves when you go into specifics not actually give a poo poo beyond when you put em on the spot for a "should laws be more strict y/n".
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I was sorta wondering how the entire liberal establishment simultaneously did a 180 from the no-fly list being insane authoritarian garbage to being common sense that should be applied to civil rights but if y'all can look at a shaky 5% polling lead in 'more laws good?' and see a popular mandate to rewrite the Constitution being subverted by the scheming NRA Elders of Zion I guess that answers that. The only correct thing you've said, ever, is that restricting people's activities based on the no-fly list is a terrible idea. The rest is just hilarious, increased gun control leads reduced or same gun control by 58-39, a 19-point lead, do you even math bro? A loving landslide, a greater margin of Americans prefer more gun control than preferred Obama over Romney. Keep clinging to your fantasies that sane gun policy is just a drugged fantasy supported by only homos and communists, it's pretty funny.
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Live by the gun, live a good, looong time!
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I was sorta wondering how the entire liberal establishment simultaneously did a 180 from the no-fly list being insane authoritarian garbage to being common sense that should be applied to civil rights but if y'all can look at a shaky 5% polling lead in 'more laws good?' and see a popular mandate to rewrite the Constitution being subverted by the scheming NRA Elders of Zion I guess that answers that. So how often do you jack it to the scenes from Yes, Minister about manipulating polls?
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Live by the gun, live a good, looong time! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-we-dont-know/
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Laverna posted:If people want to shoot the guns at the fun shooty park then let them store their guns there or rent them but don't let them be taken off the range. That's fair, right? They get their fun time and everybody else gets no guns. I wouldn't be able to purge someone who unlawfully enters my house that way. If you're stupid enough to have unsecured fire arms around children you probably aren't smart enough to live hth.
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My new hobbyist goal in life is to legally import an SVD-Drogunov and parade it around New York City 100% federally legally protected. How many children will that endanger OP?
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Powercrazy posted:My new hobbyist goal in life is to legally import an SVD-Drogunov and parade it around New York City 100% federally legally protected.
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Effectronica posted:So how often do you jack it to the scenes from Yes, Minister about manipulating polls? i constantly jack it to everything so I'm not sure how that's relevant
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Sword and Sceptre posted:I wouldn't be able to purge someone who unlawfully enters my house that way. Yeah but part of our job as a society is to protect children from their parents.
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Nevvy Z posted:Yeah but part of our job as a society is to protect children from their parents. Although I agree whole heartedly, this is a rather controversial opinion in America which deifies "family values" and the family unit free from government intervention. See: homeschooling, etc.
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I want to be a leftist but I also want to disarm the proletariat can anyone tell me how to resolve these competing ideas of mine?
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Turtle Sandbox posted:I want to be a leftist but I also want to disarm the proletariat can anyone tell me how to resolve these competing ideas of mine? Become pathetic
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Turtle Sandbox posted:I want to be a leftist but I also want to disarm the proletariat can anyone tell me how to resolve these competing ideas of mine? Keep Posting
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