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paranoid randroid posted:i dont think hillary eats enough ergot to do anything within the parameters of neoconservatism How is Hillary going to defeat Daesh and bring sanity to the Middle East while addressing climate change? I could see Trump defeating Daesh and trying to bring sanity, but the fossil fuel lobby shades his outlook.
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McDowell posted:How is Hillary going to defeat Daesh and bring sanity to the Middle East while addressing climate change? Seriously, if we're going to do c/p from Reddit, at least link back so I don't go crazy
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Trabisnikof posted:Seriously, if we're going to do c/p from Reddit, at least link back so I don't go crazy Didn't we have a giant thread about the c/p from reddit already?
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Dec 19, 2015 03:01
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fishmech posted:Bernie got ratfucked by his own team being crooks, not by Hillary Clinton.
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McDowell posted:How is Hillary going to defeat Daesh and bring sanity to the Middle East while addressing climate change? a good start would be not getting found on the floor of a k street ideological opium den with a copy of The End of History next to her, muttering "we will be greeted as liberators" to the walls
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Remember when people said Hillary was going to bring the left into her domain? That's not going to happen now.
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Kilroy posted:How loving thick are you? All that matters is how the Bernie camp perceives the reaction from the Clinton campaign. Who ratfucks who is irrelevant. Now, because you are incapable of understanding nuance, you will probably assert that they were going to interpret any action or response from the Clinton campaign in the most negative possible light, anyway. But, you are wrong. Some of his supporters will not vote for her in the general no matter what, and some of his supporters will vote for Hillary in the general no matter what. However, some of Bernie's supporters may or may not turn out to vote for Hillary in the general depending on how demoralized they are after their first choice does not secure the nomination. These are potential supporters whose votes Hillary should be trying her very best to secure ahead of the general campaign, and nothing that her campaign has done so far in response to this data breach accomplishes that. Nobody needs to care about how the delusional branch of the Bernie camp feels, they're already never going to vote for Hillary Clinton. Hell many won't even vote for Bernie because he'll have dropped before their primary rolls around. And they're the only ones who will still be upset about an offhand tweet 46 weeks from now. The sane people aren't going to be little prissy babies about it. Dead Cosmonaut posted:Remember when people said Hillary was going to bring the left into her domain? That's not going to happen now. I guess if your definition of "left" is "young white men who are barely even centrist let alone left" then sure.
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Dec 19, 2015 03:09
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fishmech posted:Nobody needs to care about how the delusional branch of the Bernie camp feels, they're already never going to vote for Hillary Clinton. Hell many won't even vote for Bernie because he'll have dropped before their primary rolls around. And they're the only ones who will still be upset about an offhand tweet 46 weeks from now. You're still ignoring the fact that this is leads directly to a poo poo ton of process stories as Joe previously mentioned.
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fishmech posted:I guess if your definition of "left" is "young white men who are barely even centrist let alone left" then sure. Again: 
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Remember when people said Hillary was going to bring the left into her domain? That's not going to happen now. It probably wasn't going to happen before. When Bernie loses and tells his followers to get behind Clinton they'll still just sit at home and smoke weed and not vote. So the same thing they were going to do anyway.
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Solkanar512 posted:You're still ignoring the fact that this is leads directly to a poo poo ton of process stories as Joe previously mentioned. Which won't matter at all by November 2016, much less by March 2016.
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Dec 19, 2015 03:16
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fishmech posted:Which won't matter at all by November 2016, much less by March 2016. Prove it. You're making a statement you cannot support with any evidence. It's not a good practice to give the media or political opponents ammunition. It's very easy to manufacture "trends".
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fknlo posted:It probably wasn't going to happen before. When Bernie loses and tells his followers to get behind Clinton they'll still just sit at home and smoke weed and not vote. So the same thing they were going to do anyway. The wind has been pretty strong around here lately, aren't you afraid of that strawman getting blown away? You worked so hard on it, too...
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fishmech posted:Nobody needs to care about how the delusional branch of the Bernie camp feels, they're already never going to vote for Hillary Clinton. Hell many won't even vote for Bernie because he'll have dropped before their primary rolls around. And they're the only ones who will still be upset about an offhand tweet 46 weeks from now. As much as you want to cling to the belief that Bernie's support comes exclusively from fanatical redditors, that is not the case. A lot of people in your "delusional branch" of the Bernie camp just want a robust nomination process and lively debate, and will accept Hillary's inevitable win as long as they perceive the process was fair. Also Joementum is absolutely right that news cycles dedicated to this GOTV inside baseball stuff, are news cycles that would be better spent on the GOP horror show. So sweep this under the rug ASAFP.
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Dec 19, 2015 03:21
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Solkanar512 posted:Prove it. You're making a statement you cannot support with any evidence. It's not a good practice to give the media or political opponents ammunition. It's very easy to manufacture "trends". Here's my proof: the next 47 weeks of your life. My estimate of the results are Clinton 50%, Republican 48% in the popular vote. Democrats get a minimum of 297 electoral votes. Most likely, 2012's map again.
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Anyone got a clip for this (from the Dem thread):Concerned Citizen posted:
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Kilroy posted:As much as you want to cling to the belief that Bernie's support comes exclusively from fanatical redditors, that is not the case. A lot of people in your "delusional branch" of the Bernie camp just want a robust nomination process and lively debate, and will accept Hillary's inevitable win as long as they perceive the process was fair. It's not just fanatic Reddit posters and that's why this doesn't matter. The redditors can fuckoff and most of his supporters won't give a poo poo about the dirty candidate they supported in the primaries and vote for Hillary in the general.
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Kilroy posted:Quit referring to the Clinton campaign reaction up to this point as a single offhand tweet. It's not. The only  offensive part of it was the tweet.I never said that, I said only the morons would refuse to vote Hillary, and they'll refuse to vote her no matter what. Caring about them is like caring about Hillary is 44 sinking Obama's chances.
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fishmech posted:Here's my proof: the next 47 weeks of your life. My estimate of the results are Clinton 50%, Republican 48% in the popular vote. Democrats get a minimum of 297 electoral votes. Most likely, 2012's map again. This isn't evidence, it's speculation. Also, you don't handicap your own loving campaign, even if you win in the end anyways. That's loving stupid, even if you refuse to admit it.
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Dec 19, 2015 03:27
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Trabisnikof posted:Why would that have to be true? Would they have contracted a Republican company? Because I work with large databases and that is exactly what happens. The interface either doesn't work at all or screws up half the data.
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Bernie got caught red handed and then went Full Trump double down complete with weaselly lawsuit. And a massive fundraising campaign. I'm looking at an ad from him right now. All of it coming together on a Friday afternoon. The day before a major debate. As fun as it is to poo poo on the DNC, is anyone entertaining the possibility that the DNC was not in control of whether this was going to blow up?
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Dec 19, 2015 03:32
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Solkanar512 posted:This isn't evidence, it's speculation. Also, you don't handicap your own loving campaign, even if you win in the end anyways. That's loving stupid, even if you refuse to admit it. Where's your evidence then, chief? Also Hillary didn't handicap her campaign, Bernie Sanders staffers handicapped Bernie Sanders' campaign. Please, try not to lie like a senior Sanders staffer!
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Good Alex Seitz-Wald (@aseitzwald) 12/18/15, 6:02 PM Hillary Clinton campaign softens tone a bit, says it wants Sanders to get their data back. https://t.co/o8Qgmugl8Z
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Ugh, fine. gently caress it. Clinton campaign functionaries will use their position to needlessly antagonize potential voters in the general election, but this is fine since the only people who will take any offense are precisely the people who weren't going to vote for her anyway, according to fishmech. That doesn't seem to actually bode well for her chances in the general, to be honest, but I'm starting not to give a poo poo about that anyway. I think I'm going to have to revise my position of "Hillary Supporter" to "on the fence" after the reaction of her campaign so far and the tribal bullshit going on in this thread which is seriously loving aggravating. I don't know how you can call yourself a Democrat, or even a lean-Democrat, if you're willingly to piss off other Democrats for literally no good god drat reason at all. btw: quote:Brian Fallon
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Ceiling fan posted:As fun as it is to poo poo on the DNC, is anyone entertaining the possibility that the DNC was not in control of whether this was going to blow up? I don't think that there's any question that the full court press by the Sanders campaign has been completely dominating today's news cycle. The DNC and the Clinton campaign are just reacting while a number of Sanders folks have been threatening political murder-suicide over this. This is leading to some dumb reactions, like Clinton staffers who don't know when to shut their drat mouths.
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theblackw0lf posted:Good A bit late, but it's the right thing. Hopefully Fallon is getting his rear end chewed as well.
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:Jesus, that's the truth. Michigan is by far the most racist place I've ever lived in the north. More than Chicago?
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Kilroy posted:Ugh, fine. gently caress it. Clinton campaign functionaries will use their position to needlessly antagonize potential voters in the general election, but this is fine since the only people who will take any offense are precisely the people who weren't going to vote for her anyway, according to fishmech. That doesn't seem to actually bode well for her chances in the general, to be honest, but I'm starting not to give a poo poo about that anyway. I think I'm going to have to revise my position of "Hillary Supporter" to "on the fence" after the reaction of her campaign so far and the tribal bullshit going on in this thread which is seriously loving aggravating. I don't know how you can call yourself a Democrat, or even a lean-Democrat, if you're willingly to piss off other Democrats for literally no good god drat reason at all. I'm sorry that you refuse to admit that the only people dumb enough to refuse to vote Democratic nearly a full year from now over mild rudeness, are people who were already going to refuse to vote Democratic. But it's true. You're literally pulling that shtick that people did in 2008 where they acted like the tiny group of offended Hillary supporters were going to hand the election to McCain.
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Kaal posted:I don't think that there's any question that the full court press by the Sanders campaign has been completely dominating today's news cycle. The DNC and the Clinton campaign are just reacting while a number of Sanders folks have been threatening political murder-suicide over this. This is leading to some dumb reactions, like Clinton staffers who don't know when to shut their drat mouths. Yeah, it's seriously impressive that they stole a bunch of campaign data from the DNC and the story is "hilary clinton destroys party"
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Kilroy posted:Ugh, fine. gently caress it. Clinton campaign functionaries will use their position to needlessly antagonize potential voters in the general election, but this is fine since the only people who will take any offense are precisely the people who weren't going to vote for her anyway, according to fishmech. That doesn't seem to actually bode well for her chances in the general, to be honest, but I'm starting not to give a poo poo about that anyway. I think I'm going to have to revise my position of "Hillary Supporter" to "on the fence" after the reaction of her campaign so far and the tribal bullshit going on in this thread which is seriously loving aggravating. I don't know how you can call yourself a Democrat, or even a lean-Democrat, if you're willingly to piss off other Democrats for literally no good god drat reason at all. Yeah, most people are going to be not angry over some day-to-day electioneering mumbo jumbo.
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Clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_277xh9zHB8&t=75s of  from: Concerned Citizen posted:Here it is. Jump to 1:15 for the magic moment:
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fishmech posted:I'm sorry that you refuse to admit that the only people dumb enough to refuse to vote Democratic nearly a full year from now over mild rudeness, are people who were already going to refuse to vote Democratic. But it's true. You seem happy enough provided the Clinton campaign not do anything that will obviously harm their chances in the general, or will have no effect on the general. I would rather they only do things that will help their chances. Like, literally every single action performed by every member of the Clinton campaign - to the extent humanly possible - between now and November 8 should contribute positively to her chances of winning that election. Reducing those chances is obviously bad and doing stuff that has little effect either way, takes time away from doing stuff that increases the chance of a win.
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Kilroy posted:It would be one thing if the reaction from the Clinton campaign gave them any advantage at all, but it doesn't. Hmm, you're right that we should go nuclear over getting some side shade via tweets on the Friday end of the news cycle.
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clinton has done twitter crimes against my honor and for that i will never forgive her
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Kilroy posted:It would be one thing if the reaction from the Clinton campaign gave them any advantage at all, but it doesn't. You're freaking out over a single tweet that was cracking a joke, as well as the thoroughly normal actual campaign response. If it was O'Malley getting locked over this you probably wouldn't even care. Sorry that that tweet hurt your feelings so much, but no one is going to care by the election, hell they probably won't care by Iowa. The "response" did absolutely nothing to reduce Clinton's chances.
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theblackw0lf posted:Good Good to see that they wised up and realized that this in no way benefits Hillary.
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Kilroy posted:Agreed. I will never get why they got rid of Dean, nor why so many at the top of the party hierarchy were against him getting the position in the first place. You have virtually no effect on policy as chairman of the DNC, and it is a career dead-end for the most part, yet Dean seemed happy to use his position to serve Democratic interests generally while keeping his mouth shut. You could hardly ask for a better chair of the DNC. Why did Michael Steele get fired front the RNC after 2010? Party chairmanship is not decided by the effectiveness of the actual chairman, but how well he meshes with his fellow elites. Has a lot of similarities to how CEOs work, actually.
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:The wind has been pretty strong around here lately, aren't you afraid of that strawman getting blown away? You worked so hard on it, too... It's alright, they'll totally throw the election just like the hillaryis44 people did. Especially with the strong voting presence that younger people are known to have.
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fishmech posted:The "response" did absolutely nothing to reduce Clinton's chances. Kilroy fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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Shageletic posted:Why did Michael Steele get fired front the RNC after 2010? Party chairmanship is not decided by the effectiveness of the actual chairman, but how well he meshes with his fellow elites. Has a lot of similarities to how CEOs work, actually. He didn't really "get fired". The chairmanship is an elected position and the election between Steele and Priebus went to a dozen ballots before it was decided.
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