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At SGDQ the Isaac random run sucked rear end and then the runner showed off a run with a known seed and he just instantly got all the items and killed everything without any effort. So it's a lose/lose situation.
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DoctorStrangelove posted:At SGDQ the Isaac random run sucked rear end and then the runner showed off a run with a known seed and he just instantly got all the items and killed everything without any effort. So it's a lose/lose situation. the hilarious thing is, with Azazel he didn't need a seed playing as Azazel basically makes the run marathon safe because you and fly and you have a brimstone attack done, you win
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Jan 2, 2016 02:11
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DoctorStrangelove posted:At SGDQ the Isaac random run sucked rear end and then the runner showed off a run with a known seed and he just instantly got all the items and killed everything without any effort. So it's a lose/lose situation. Yeah, frankly Isaac just isn't a good speedrun either way.
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Jan 2, 2016 02:13
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Im pretty sure i could do 20 runs in a row tonight with azazel and beat every boss without breaking a sweat with the exception of like, Hush and you don't even have to do Hush in the marathon
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Jan 2, 2016 02:16
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BoI races are fun to watch with good players going head to head and usually best of 3.
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Jan 2, 2016 02:16
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SuccinctAndPunchy posted:Yeah, frankly Isaac just isn't a good speedrun either way. Which is weird because there are plenty of RNG heavy runs that are good. Spelunky, for example.
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Its because going for speed in BoI means skipping tons of upgrades which ends up making the later bosses take forever to kill. So by going fast you end up going slower if your luck isn't good. Its pretty dumb from a speedrunning perspective. Spelunky has a shitload of RNG but Olmec is always gonna take pretty much the same amount of time to kill.
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Jan 2, 2016 02:20
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Crain posted:Which is weird because there are plenty of RNG heavy runs that are good. probably because even if the RNG fucks you in spelunky for items, you still have most of the tools you really need to beat the game with binding of isaac you are basically actually building out the basic capabilities of your character throughout the game and if RNG fucks you, then you're hosed *pretend i posted speedrun drama here*
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I don't understand the appeal for the player of speedrunning a game where the RNG can just decide whether to hand you a freebie or not Getting good at Isaac sure, there being a lot of skill involved in decision-making and how you respond to the luck of the draw sure, but using who beat it at the fastest as a measure of that skill makes no sense
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Jan 2, 2016 02:23
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Eonwe posted:probably because even if the RNG fucks you in spelunky for items, you still have most of the tools you really need to beat the game Yeah. RNG is good for speed runs, it gives something to work around. Games with no RNG/variance get run out way too fast and are boring. But you need the right kind of RNG. Eonwe posted:*pretend i posted speedrun drama here* I refuse  Zombies' Downfall posted:I don't understand the appeal for the player of speedrunning a game where the RNG can just decide whether to hand you a freebie or not BoI is a fine speedrun, we're talking almost purely about it's suitability to a live event where you get, basically, one shot at reaching the goal. At a GDQ you're not so much doing a real life speed run as you are filling a time slot. You're programming, akin to a TV show. You don't want a run that's going to fail hard and go way under or over estimate. Crain fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Jan 2, 2016 |
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Jan 2, 2016 02:25
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Is Golf a boring run to watch or something? I feel like Big Jon's Lost Level runs were pretty popular, so why not give the man his Golf run?
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Was wondering when this thread would be posted. The first day alone has Super Monkey Ball, Kirby 64, and Super Mario 64. This is gonna be a good marathon. symbolic fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Jan 2, 2016 |
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Rorus Raz posted:Is Golf a boring run to watch or something? I feel like Big Jon's Lost Level runs were pretty popular, so why not give the man his Golf run? I think he messed up registering. But so did a lot of people because GDQ chose some weird restrictions for when they posted things and set deadlines.
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Zombies' Downfall posted:but using who beat it at the fastest as a measure of that skill makes no sense Which is probably why that's not really the point of speedruns. The time it took to beat the game is a measure of that and only that and only really correlates player skill increasingly loosely in games with lots of rng. Crain posted:I think he messed up registering. But so did a lot of people because GDQ chose some weird restrictions for when they posted things and set deadlines. No Golf just got flat out rejected because Golf is kind of a boring run. Big Jon is great, Golf really isn't.
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SuccinctAndPunchy posted:Which is probably why that's not really the point of speedruns. The time it took to beat the game is a measure of that and only that and only really correlates player skill increasingly loosely in games with lots of rng. Oh ok. Which golf game is this? Just "Nintendo Golf"?
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Jan 2, 2016 02:33
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SuccinctAndPunchy posted:No Golf just got flat out rejected because Golf is kind of a boring run. Big Jon is great, Golf really isn't.
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You can have a good speedrun of a RNG-heavy game if the test of skills is more towards adapation and making the best with what you've got over rote memorization and practice. I don't think even someone really good at adapting to what BoI throws at you can always have a consistent, watchable run, though - and that's the problem with having it at the marathons. The race we had last marathon probably should've been with the same seed honestly though for consistency and closeness' sake.Rorus Raz posted:Is Golf a boring run to watch or something? I feel like Big Jon's Lost Level runs were pretty popular, so why not give the man his Golf run? It's pretty boring standalone and coasts completely on his personality, but personality's never been the primary consideration for a run's inclusion in a marathon + with how many runs fought for inclusion this year, even a short run of such a visually and strategically uninteresting game just loses out hard comparitively
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Jan 2, 2016 02:38
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He preemptively called out the management over this at SGDQ. There are so many other lame runs this year it's kinda dumb that they won't just throw this guy a bone.
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Jan 2, 2016 02:39
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DoctorStrangelove posted:He preemptively called out the management over this at SGDQ. There are so many other lame runs this year it's kinda dumb that they won't just throw this guy a bone.
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Jan 2, 2016 02:42
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Are the TTYD tricks any more consistent now? I remember them being incredibly ridiculous run breakers last I paid attention to that game's strats.
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Speaking of popularity I'm surprised they didn't accept an Undertale run. I actually don't know if one was even submitted though.
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Jan 2, 2016 02:43
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Crain posted:Speaking of popularity I'm surprised they didn't accept an Undertale run. Didn't that game only come out 3 months ago?
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Jan 2, 2016 02:44
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DoctorStrangelove posted:Didn't that game only come out 3 months ago? Yeah, but it's still hugely popular. I think the current runs are about 2 hours long. Does GDQ have a restriction on new games?
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DoctorStrangelove posted:Didn't that game only come out 3 months ago? e: Never mind, saw Crain's post. Maybe no one just feels confident yet that they have a run completely locked-down. flatluigi posted:Are the TTYD tricks any more consistent now? I remember them being incredibly ridiculous run breakers last I paid attention to that game's strats.
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Crain posted:Speaking of popularity I'm surprised they didn't accept an Undertale run. Undertale wasn't submitted because Toby Fox specifically requested that it not be at a GDQ.
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SuccinctAndPunchy posted:Undertale wasn't submitted because Toby Fox specifically requested that it not be at a GDQ.
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SuccinctAndPunchy posted:Undertale wasn't submitted because Toby Fox specifically requested that it not be at a GDQ. Which makes sense, given you miss pretty much everything that makes the game good when you speed run it.
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There would be like only 2 parts of the game watchable if you try to take the fastest route, because the rest of the run would be a lot of grinding and not fun to watch. That probably has something to do with it. I think Toby may have stated he wasn't a big fan of certain RPG speedruns, but I could be wrong about that.
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I imagine Undertale will eventually show up, but Toby probably didn't want it to be run so soon after release. Maybe SGDQ 2016? It'd be a shame to let its popularity go to waste.
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Yeah it's a great game but in ways completely opposed to it being a good speedrun so I can definitely understand it being a really bad fit. This is all he's said on the subject though as far as I'm aware and I think it was from when it was blowing up but not showing exactly how hard it was blowing up so that could also have influenced his thoughts on it a lot. edit: Dr. Fetus posted:There would be like only 2 parts of the game watchable if you try to take the fastest route, because the rest of the run would be a lot of grinding and not fun to watch. That probably has something to do with it. I think Toby may have stated he wasn't a big fan of certain RPG speedruns, but I could be wrong about that. The fastest runs do a neutral playthrough with a lot of killing for fastest time IIRC so you wouldn't even see the parts I think you're referring to.
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its a bad speedrun because the main reason the game is good is the stuff you wouldn't really see in a speedrun
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Dr. Fetus posted:There would be like only 2 parts of the game watchable if you try to take the fastest route, because the rest of the run would be a lot of grinding and not fun to watch. That probably has something to do with it. I think Toby may have stated he wasn't a big fan of certain RPG speedruns, but I could be wrong about that. There's really no grinding in Undertale (other than genocide runs, and that's not grinding for exp sake). But yeah, I can see Toby not wanting a heavily story oriented game being at GDQ. Although there are some funny built in fight skips, so it kinda works. And if they can figure out how to skip certain triggers for dialogue chains it can get pretty short.
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voltcatfish posted:I want to say I read ultrajman was asked to not come back but I don't think that's actually true
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Rorus Raz posted:Maybe SGDQ 2016? It'd be a shame to let its popularity go to waste. On the other hand he probably doesn't want the people who haven't played it to experience if first via a crappy speed run because of that popularity. ...though you'd get a ton of people donating just because of it though. Difficult choice.
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I don't understand how they can turn down Golf with bigjon but allow loving Minecraft 100% achievements to be ran
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Manslaughter posted:I don't understand how they can turn down Golf with bigjon but allow loving Minecraft 100% achievements to be ran Well they got rid of Minecraft runs.
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Manslaughter posted:I don't understand how they can turn down Golf with bigjon but allow loving Minecraft 100% achievements to be ran I see no such run on the schedule?
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SuccinctAndPunchy posted:I see no such run on the schedule?
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Jan 2, 2016 03:09
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Referring to SGDQ 2015
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Crain posted:Does GDQ have a restriction on new games? They've had games only a few months old in marathons before. I sometimes wind up having to skip them because they're games I'm planning on playing later and I don't like watching a game I'm going to play being played, even if there's no way that I'll play like those guys do.
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