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Fans posted:Someone better get fired for this poo poo. The BBC should not be picking sides when it comes to politics. probably the person who thought they wrote a cool little article without realising the ramifications rather than someone involved in the stunt
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Oberleutnant posted:http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/contact_us/making_a_complaint.html Wicked, ta, I'll rustle up something to send to them. In the meantime I've sent the archive link to Medial Lens, they might find it interesting.
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Gonzo McFee posted:journalistic ethics. Actually it's about ethics in reporting Corbyn.
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That must be against the terms of the bbc's charter, dodgy choices of headlines/storys are one thing but deliberately sabotaging the democratic process for ratings/drama is over the line surely?
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Seaside Loafer posted:That must be against the terms of the bbc's charter, dodgy choices of headlines/storys are one thing but deliberately sabotaging the democratic process for ratings/drama is over the line surely? They'll probably do the moving bodies argument. "They were already dead, we're just moving all the bodies into a pile for a better shot."
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Oberleutnant posted:So the BBC, in its chase for a political scoop, convinced one of the Labour shadow ministers to resign live on air 5 minutes before PMQs started, ensuring that it would cause the maximum amount of damage: Cathy Newman did the same on Channel 4 News when Lib Dems were resigning on-air because of Rennard, for what it's worth. Still, Doughty is a massive cockface.
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Jose posted:probably the person who thought they wrote a cool little article without realising the ramifications rather than someone involved in the stunt Cool little article very clearly calls out Laura Kuenssberg, so that'd be hard to justify. I thought people were just being overly defensive saying she had it out for Corbyn with the reshuffle coverage too, more fool me. TinTower posted:Cathy Newman did the same on Channel 4 News when Lib Dems were resigning on-air because of Rennard, for what it's worth. Channel 4's a different matter. It's still poo poo, but Channel 4 isn't state funded and doesn't have to remain impartial.
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I know everyone hates the Sun, but they love loving the BBC and they do manufacture outrage better than any other publication.
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I particularly like this line from the cached blog by the editor:quote:Our only fear was that [Doughty] might pull his punches when the moment came. When it did, with about five minutes to go before PMQs, he was precise, measured and quietly devastating
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Jan 7, 2016 22:24
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The latest in British feminist discourse: was it really Rose West's fault that she raped and murdered at least ten people, including her own daughter and step-daughter? Jesus loving Christ, give me women on banknotes any day. 
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serious gaylord posted:I know everyone hates the Sun, but they love loving the BBC and they do manufacture outrage better than any other publication. The BBC is better than the Sun when they're not pulling poo poo like this. If the Sun wants to give the BBC a kicking over this then it's a entirely deserved one for a change.
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TinTower posted:The latest in British feminist discourse: was it really Rose West's fault that she raped and murdered at least ten people, including her own daughter and step-daughter?
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quote:“My great failing in life is to listen to everybody at whatever great length they wish to speak to me,” said Corbyn. 
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Jan 7, 2016 22:32
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I've made a complaint. I suggest as many other people do the same.
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I wish there was a recording of Kuenssberg telling Doughty that he'll be launching himself into the public eye and it'll really help his career etc etc. They're all so shameless and I bet the only person who'll get in trouble is the guy who wrote the blog.
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Also complained, with bonus questions I don't expect they'll ever bother answering!quote:Sirs, Any errors are because I typed it all out on my phone for some reason.
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Pork Pie Hat posted:Also complained, with bonus questions I don't expect they'll ever bother answering! I worded mine slightly stronger, but with more of a 'I thought it was the BBC's job to report on the news, not create it' angle. I also asked if the swift deletion of the blog pointed to the fact those involved knew it was wrong and that in trying to cover it up, they admit to breaking the BBC rules on political impartiality. I imagine we'll get a mealy mouthed response in 2 weeks. Or some of the papers could pick up on it and she gets fired? Could probably flip a coin at this point.
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If it happened to the Tories I'd be expecting blood. Nice man Corbyn's Labour while 3/4ths of the party are deliberately trying to unseat him is another matter.
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politics@theguardian.com is the contact for political tips for the Graun. We all know they're poo poo, but they might bite at it and I bet they're getting it spammed in their direction right now. Media is (predictably) media@theguardian.com
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serious gaylord posted:I worded mine slightly stronger, but with more of a 'I thought it was the BBC's job to report on the news, not create it' angle. I also asked if the swift deletion of the blog pointed to the fact those involved knew it was wrong and that in trying to cover it up, they admit to breaking the BBC rules on political impartiality. Yeah I ended up going for passive-aggressive sarcasm in the end. My money is firmly on the mealy mouthed email and nothing coming of it. Though it does amuse me that they have to put all the received complaints in a daily bulletin to their staff.
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I went with pork pie hats questions and a demand for Kuenssberg resignation as the only ethical response. Here's a tinyurl if anyone else wants to quickly link the Alexander piece and is too lazy/concerned about character limit for the full one: http://tinyurl.com/jz4oxco
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serious gaylord posted:I worded mine slightly stronger, but with more of a 'I thought it was the BBC's job to report on the news, not create it' angle. I also asked if the swift deletion of the blog pointed to the fact those involved knew it was wrong and that in trying to cover it up, they admit to breaking the BBC rules on political impartiality. Maybe you should protest outside their offices like the nats did last year. 
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The only time i truly feel alive is when im stoking the fires of outrage. I think I missed a calling in life.
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ofcom have absolutely no remit over the BBC (yet) so don't waste your time complaining to them.Fans posted:Channel 4's a different matter. It's still poo poo, but Channel 4 isn't state funded and doesn't have to remain impartial.
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Cerv posted:ofcom have absolutely no remit over the BBC (yet) so don't waste your time complaining to them. You are right and I am the idiot there. Thanks!
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Cerv posted:ofcom have absolutely no remit over the BBC (yet) so don't waste your time complaining to them. I swear the tories have explicitly attacked this and it's going, am I misremembering?
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Emailed a compaint to the BBC and an outline of the story to the Guardian, plus a bunch of tweets to various politics journalists. I'm sure nothing will come of it but at least I've done my bit.
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Fans posted:Channel 4's a different matter. It's still poo poo, but Channel 4 isn't state funded and doesn't have to remain impartial. Actually, Channel 4 is ultimately publicly owned and officially a "public service broadcaster" exactly like the BBC, with the same requirement to broadcast a portion of its content for wider public benefit. Its revenue obviously comes largely from advertising rather than from a license fee equivalent though. ITV and Channel 5 are not public service broadcasters. Edit: Fun fact, the Tories tried to privatise Channel 4 in 2014, but were blocked by the Lib Dems. Prince John fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Jan 7, 2016 |
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Pork Pie Hat posted:Also complained, with bonus questions I don't expect they'll ever bother answering! This is good but I'd go a step further - she's not just interfering in Labour party matters, wanting it to come out in time for PMQs is intentionally producing ammunition for Cameron Of course what this really proves is the BBC's lefty bias - HARD LEFT BEEB JOURNOS PUSH CORBYN CRITIC TO QUIT
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Owen Jones has tweeted it So far Rupert Myers (apparently GQ has political correspondents?), Isabel Hardman, Daniel Finkelstein and Wes Streeting have basically said "It's fine stop being touchy" This loving country, christ
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RobotNinjaHornets posted:Owen Jones has tweeted it Paul Waugh has said theres nowt wrong either. Scum, the lot of them.
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baka kaba posted:This is good but I'd go a step further - she's not just interfering in Labour party matters, wanting it to come out in time for PMQs is intentionally producing ammunition for Cameron I did consider mentioning that but settled on going with the text of the blog posts and relying on other people to bring it up.
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RobotNinjaHornets posted:Owen Jones has tweeted it i'm increasingly feeling the need to create a twitter account purely to retweet people calling them cunts and doing nothing else then i realise i'm a lazy oval office
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Poison Jam posted:Yeah it's a weird feeling I bought some potassium nitrate off amazon a month ago. I'm hosed.
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I think i saw Hardman saying that it was just a peek at what "amazing journalists do every day" which is  x1000000000000000000
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Jose posted:i'm increasingly feeling the need to create a twitter account purely to retweet people calling them cunts and doing nothing else You could do it with a twitter bot. Its not difficult.
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Gonzo McFee posted:If this gains any traction then I expect 101 "Why shouldn't the BBC have done it, it's good journalism" hot takes while ignoring the massive breach in journalistic ethics. 
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