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Mzbundifund posted:What's wrong with the prof. in this scene? Is he motion sick? Regretting that he didn't order one of those for himself? I don't think he likes people. I get the same way in crowds.
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Mzbundifund posted:What's wrong with the prof. in this scene? Is he motion sick? Regretting that he didn't order one of those for himself? Bruceski posted:I don't think he likes people. I get the same way in crowds. He's just disgusted that Lucy got a sandwich, rather than pizza. She didn't even get a sandwich that had pickles in. Personally, I think that Alfendi just had too much time to brood on the long train journey over everything, (leaving the office, made to travel on a crowded train and having to investigate a "dust-strewn, dank hole), and became thoroughly miserable as a result.
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  The hallway and side door:  The wall:    The side door:    The door's locked. But there's no keyhole, look! How true. Very interesting. Do you think we've found Etista? No, I don't get the impression there's anyone behind that door. Etista must be somewhere else. There must be a special way to open it, though. I suppose we'd better find it, then.   WC? Water closet? So that's what's behind the door. Why can't folk just call it a toilet, eh? Call a spade a spade, I say.The bedroom:  The chest of drawers:        The bed:     The stairs:   The living room:  The table in the centre of the room:     Without a winder, there's no way to hear the music. Ee, that makes me want to hear it all the more, Prof. I wonder if there isn't summat lying around here we could use as a makeshift winder. The fireplace:   The bookshelf in the top left-hand corner of the room:   They're chock-a-block eh, these shelves. But there're four books jutting out, look. Indeed. Verily begging us to push them back in, in fact.  Yes, this will require some very delicate... Yikes! Did you hear that funny noise? Nowt's happened, mind. Maybe not, but more by luck than judgement. Did you even consider it might have been a trap, Lucy? Oops. Sorry, Prof. I didn't think of that. This is Etista's hideout. You should assume anything and everything could be a trap. I will do from now on, Prof. Alright. Well, at least nothing happened. So we can push the others in then, eh?  Well, that's odd. They've all popped back out again. Lucy! I knew you were fearless, but I didn't think you were quite such a daredevil. Heh heh. That wasn't a compliment. Oh. Hmph. Anyway, pushing all the books in doesn't appear to be the answer to this puzzle. Perhaps, then, the order in which one pushes the books is the key. What do you think? Ee, the order you push them in! Aye, that must be it! Search the room and see if you can't find a clue as to the correct sequence.      The cabinet in the lower right-hand side of the room:   Hm, looks like this cabinet's locked. I'll have to smash the glass. I'm more amused than I probably should be at the way Lucy's first instinct always seems to be to try brute forcing her way past any puzzles or obstacles. No, Lucy! You might inadvertently destroy one of the traps itself, rending it impossible to get any further. No, there must be a key for it somewhere. That's your way in.Spoilsport. Oh. Alright then, if you say so. 
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I'd guess the books should be pushed in in the order shown on the clock, counting clockwise from 3 o'clock: Cat Compendium, Tea Total, Identikit Cars, Gran Smith's Diet (apple). Failing that, try Cat Compendium, Gran Smith's Diet, Identikit Cars, Tea Total -- WC might be "the opposite of clockwise", though I can't figure out how the acronym works. As for the animals, we're missing any clues relating to the rhinoceros, so I'm guessing another note will be found inside the bathroom. Right now we know dog is first, but the order after that could be bull/rhino/pig, rhino/bull/pig, or bull/pig/rhino, and all of those would be consistent with the clues we've seen. I'm guessing the rickety old key in the dresser is the winder for the music box. It's either that or the key to the cabinet with the animal goblets.
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Bruceski posted:The bathroom is behind a secret door? Is this place owned by Umbrella Corp? We'll know for sure if the Music Box plays Moonlight Sonata and opens a secret door.
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Seek a way... in? This is backwards, somehow.
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Maverick solution: Raze the place and catch her as she flees. I would never make it as a cop.
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     ..... ..... They're not coming back out. So, have we cracked it?   Off to the bathroom. The bath:     Looks like you could fill summat up from this, Prof? Is there something you want to fill with water?Not right now. The toilet:     That's all we need from the bathroom for now; let's head back to the cabinet.     It's a perfect fit for the lock, Prof. But it doesn't want to turn for some reason. It looks very fragile, Lucy. You'll need to be gentle with it, otherwise it'll-- Oh, no! …break. Aye, that's done it. It's jiggered. Sorry. Ee, now I've gone and made myself more work to do. What a wally!  We already have the tweezers to get the broken key out.    Prof, I've managed to get that bit of broken key out of the lock with the tweezers. Ah, good. That's a relief. Now we can get on with finding the key, eh? Let's try not to break the key next time, shall we?We now have a Broken Key as evidence. Back to the Music box.    Look at this, Prof. The broken key fits in here like a glove! Maybe, but it won't be able to wind up the spring. I don't know about that. Oh, look at that. The lid's popped open.    And back to the Cabinet again.   This fits the lock perfectly, Prof. We're in, I reckon! Not a moment too soon. I want to get back to the office. You really don't like being here, do you? Why didn't you just say no if you hate it that much? That's all very well in theory. But don't forget it was Hilda who made the request. Just who is this Hilda lass, Prof? Oh yes, of course. You don't know, do you? What, that lass I met int' corridor? Ee, I had no idea. That sounds pretty grand. She's by far the most successful of our class. Your class? Were you two ever, er... Hm? What did you say? Seems like Dolly Hollerday was right.           Back off to the bath, or more specifically, the Tap:   Let's fill this up.  Do you want to fill anything else up with water?Yes, the game makes you fill up the four goblets separately. Once that's done... I'm not sure we have anything else that can hold water.
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Well, that last note gives the final clue needed for the animal goblets: The order is dog/bull/pig/rhino, then the fire will go out in the fireplace and that will be the entrance to the secret room. If you don't want us to post the solutions we come up with to the puzzles, let me know and I'll edit that out, of course.
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Tax Refund posted:Well, that last note gives the final clue needed for the animal goblets: Okay, I can buy clever clockwork for everything else, but how is this going to work? Chemical residues? Eh, the Layton series has always had a very open relationship with conventional physics.
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Glazius posted:Okay, I can buy clever clockwork for everything else, but how is this going to work? I can come up with a handwavy explanation easily enough: The fireplace isn't actually burning wood; the wood is there to disguise the gas flame that's coming up from below. Each shelf is a weight-sensitive pressure plate, and when the goblet that goes on that shelf is full of water, the weight is enough to set off the pressure plate. They're linked to a (handwave) complicated clockwork mechanism that, when the four plates are activated in the correct order, shuts the valve controlling the flow of gas to the fireplace, so that the fire goes out. But "a very open relationship with conventional physics" is probably the canon explanation, e.g. "there is no explanation, it just works, now go catch that criminal."
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Personally, I suspect this case is a crossover with the Resident Evil series. Also, I can think of a less complicated way to use water to put out a fire. Although if it's a gas fire, that may lead to an explosion hazard.
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Tax Refund posted:Well, that last note gives the final clue needed for the animal goblets: I'm always happy for people to post their puzzle solutions. 
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Off to the fireplace.  Interesting idea. Why don't you try it and see what happens?  It still hasn't gone out.Repeat for the other three goblets; as Tax Refund said, the correct order is Dog/Bull/Pig/Rhino.  Done it! This must be the way to the secret room!If you get the order wrong, the goblets still remain full of water. Good. Let's go in, then. You know Etista's probably in here, don't you, Prof? Do you think we can handle her on our own? I'm sure we'll be fine. She doesn't seem to have any intention of killing us. Oh? How do you know that? If she wanted us dead, she would have set far more dangerous traps for us. I suppose that's true. We were never in any danger. Although... Aye? Well, I can't imagine Hilda being stumped by what we've just come through.In all fairness, I'm not sure if the music box was supposed to be opened the way Lucy got it open. What does that tell us? This implies that Hilda extinguished the fire, went and met Etista, then chose to leave Etista there while Hilda went back to make Alfendi to come up in person. ..... You seem to know this Hilda lass very well, Prof. Yes, I do. We've been...closely acquainted for some time. This feels awkward. Lucy can't work up the nerve to ask Alfendi outright what his relationship with Hilda is, and Alfendi seems oddly evasive on the subject himself. Oh, I see. Alright then, let's go in. Etista will be waiting for us.    We've got you now, Etista! ..... Eh-up. Who are you? You don't know? Tried to disguise yourself, eh?It wouldn't be a Layton game (even a spin-off) if disguises didn't come into it at some point.   Makepeace? That's right.
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Keelan Makepeace is dead while Dieane Makepease seeks revenge? That seems backwards.
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HydroSphere posted:If you get the order wrong, the goblets still remain full of water. How would that even... you know what, never mind. "It's just a
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW7Op86ox9g So, uh, where does manipulating the kid for that statue come into this? I hope she has a good explanation.
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 You can see Alfendi visibly flinching slightly.     ...So that's what this is all about. Ee, Potty Prof again!   So I killed them. So you mean... ...this lass is the snogger that young lad saw at the-- Oh, I'd love to. But it's not time yet. When I'm ready, I'll let you know. Make sure you show up when I send you an invitation. What, show up to his own murder? Aye, that's likely. Oh, I think Layton will come.   What do you know?That certainly wiped the smile off Alfiendi's face. Hee hee. We're done here for now. Diane runs off. Wait! Come on, Prof, after her! Why bother? Eh? Hilda's people will have the place surrounded. They will? If they can't catch her, there's no point in us giving chase.  Hints:  This little hole's where the winder goes in, isn't it? More than likely. If only we had something that would fit nicely in there. Even if you did, I very much doubt that you'd actually be able to wind up the spring with it. Well, you won't with an attitude like that! Just try not to break it, please, Lucy. Ee, this is a rusty old piece of junk, eh? Yes. Just the sort of thing I'd expect to find down in the depths of a dusty old hovel like this. Still, a key's a key. It's got to open summat. I can't wait to find out what! Just handle it with care, Lucy. You wouldn't want it to snap in half in the lock. That wouldn't be fun. These sheets seem ever so heavy, don't you think? They're damp, that's why. And they stink. I can't believe anybody could sleep on a bed like this. Do you think Etista's actually been living here? I imagine there's a proper bedroom upstairs. I can't be sure, but I don't get the impression that anyone's been living down here. These are the stairs that lead back up to the ground floor, aren't they? Yes. And there's been someone posted at the top around the clock since they chased Etista down here. So somewhere in these cellars, there's another way out. Exactly. Let's find it and get out of here ourselves. Oh, it's the apple diet, is it? Been there, done that. Really? Was it a success? I did it for about three days, then I gave up. Yes, that's what I'd deduced. Ouch.  What's that supposed to mean? This book reckons it tells you how to make a good cuppa. You're a bit of a tea buff, aren't you, Prof? I do enjoy a good cup, yes. Yorkshire, I hope. I'm more of an Earl Grey man myself. I expect that's my father's influence. Ee, look at all those cuddly furballs! I think the fact that this is one of only four protruding books is more relevant than the book's contents. The books appear to operate like some sort of switch. I don't think you can ignore the cat element, Prof. I reckon it could be important. It sticks out like a sore thumb, don't you think, this clock? Nowt else down here's that tacky Indeed. It's a most unusual design. An apple, a cat, some tea and a car...A curious medley of images by any measure. Hang on. An apple, a cat, some tea and a car? We've seen all them somewhere else, haven't we? Now it's unlocked, there's really nowt special about this door, eh? No, but what an extraordinary lock! Aye, you wouldn't want to be busting, would you? Talk about inconvenient! Oh, yuck! That's a right disgusting toilet! Sorry, Lucy. I can't stay in here. Hey, wait for me, Prof!Where's James Sunderland when you need him?  Well and truly jiggered. I did warn you to be careful with it, Lucy. Many times. Alright, alright. No sense crying over split milk, eh? I'm sure summat good will come out of it int' end. Hmm, I'm glad you're sure. I'm certainly not. Oh, don't be such a misery-guts! Look this stubby little spindle's probably the perfect fit for summat. It's a lovely little key we got out of that music box, isn't it? Mm, far too good for a horrible, dusty old hovel like this. Whatever it opens must have ever such a teeny keyhole. We've seen a small keyhole around here somewhere, haven't we? This one's got a rhino image on it, look. Did you know 'rhinoceros' means 'nose horn', Prof? A wonderful etymology lesson, Lucy. Other than the engraved images, all the goblets appear to be identical. Well, we've proved it can hold water. Now what? Hm, well, what could you use a goblet full of water for? There can't be too many options. Drinking, I suppose? Urgh. Have you forgotten where the water came from? That filthy toilet. I wouldn't let it pass my lips.  Well, we've proved it can hold water. Now what? Hm, well, what could you use a goblet full of water for? There can't be too many options. Putting out a fire, I suppose? There's a fire in this very room, isn't there?If you try using the wrong item to open the cabinet:  No, it doesn't look like that's the right key. I don't know. I reckon it just needs a bit of encouragement is all. If you use the wrong item when trying to remove the broken key fragment from the lock:  No, it doesn't look too promising. Although, if I just force it in a little bit there, then... If you use the wrong item to open the music box.  Doesn't look like this would work as a winder. Don't waste time on the music box, Lucy. It really makes no difference whether you hear it play or not. It does! I want to know what tune it plays.
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The plot thickens, I guess. Diane seems pretty cool. Like a Film Noir character or something.
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I do appreciate that the Prof is willing to leave this to the proper arresting authorities, such as they are.
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    In order words, you two let Makepeace's daughter get away. Aye, but who would've thought there'd be an old underground railway system there, eh? Hmph. Never mind. I can't believe how she's grown up. Makepeace's daughter... Of course, you know all about them Jigsaw Puzzle Killings from four years ago, don't you, Justin? I was on the team investigating them, yes. It's best that you stay out of all this, Lucy. But summat happened back then between the Prof and Diane's father, didn't it? I see. You already know, do you? Very well. But I'm only going to say this once, so pay attention. Oh, I will, don't you worry! So, as you know, four years ago we were trying to get to the bottom of the Jigsaw Puzzle Killings. I won't bore you with the details, but in the end, Al finally managed to pinpoint the culprit.  I wonder if Makepeace's outfit was intentionally made to be similar to Professor Laytons'. Aye, Diane's dad. Yes. Anyway, Makepeace was hiding out in an old ruin, Forbodium Castle. So that's how the castle comes into it all. Ee, the Commissioner, out int' field? It was a special case. The Commissioner wanted to be right there to call the shots. Oh, I see. We were all supposed to go in together, but Al tried to be a hero and went on ahead of the rest of us. Give over! Not the Prof. We were desperately trying to find Al, but before we did, we heard a shot ring out in the darkness. Yikes. It came from above us, on the castle room, but the door leading up there was barred shut. The Commissioner started going at it with an axe, when there were two more shots. No! Yes. The Commissioner finally managed to break the door down and gain access to the roof, but... But the Prof were alright, of course? Yes, Makepeace was dead, but by some miracle, Al managed to escape with his life. But...well...he wasn't the same. How do you mean? I think you know, Lucy. So that's when Potty Prof were born, eh? At Forbodium Castle that day. You know Al. He couldn't have shot the man. No, something changed inside him that day. Something snapped in his mind. Poor Prof... Anyway, that's really all I can tell you about Forbodium Castle. Does it answer your questions? Oh, aye. Ta very much. Now, where the devil is Al? He should really be here by now. Oh, hello, Hilda. If you're looking for Al, I'm afraid he's not here yet. Crikey, what's the matter with you? You're as white as a sheet. Eh? So? Where's the party? Forbodium Castle. Ee, I bet that's where the Prof is. He's going it alone again! I'll double check to make sure he isn't here in the station anywhere. You two get to the castle. Alright. Right you are.       So this is it, eh? Forbodium Castle. That's strange. What's strange? There should be agents here... It must be Diane! Come on, Hilda, there's no time to lose. Wait! What's wrong? We don't know what's waiting for us inside. It could be a trap. Aye, it could. We must stick together. Do not leave my side under any circumstances. Is that clear? Aye, as crystal. Now come on, we've got to find the Prof!Lucy runs inside. 
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"We've got to stick together!" "Right! I'll go on ahead!' Classic rookie mistake from the classic rookie.
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  It's just as it was four years ago. It was pouring with rain then, too. And so dark in-- Hilda, look! Oh yes. That, that were the Prof! Quick, he's in trouble.Lucy runs up the stairs. No, Lucy! Wait! Eh-up, there's no one in here. That's a body...I think. What's the pig mask for, though?  Correct, Ms Baker. Yes, it's me. You know, you really ought to listen to what people tell you. Sorry? What was it Hilda said to you now? 'Do not leave my side under any circumstances', was it? Oh, eck! Where is she? I...can't open the...door... Correct again! Leaving Hilda all on her own. So much easier to kill her that way. You wouldn't! Oh dear. Do you want to leave? What do you think? Then let me give you a fighting chance. What do you mean? A particularly nasty case of murder. All you have to do, is solve it. Find the correct answer to my little puzzle, and I'll let you out. You want me to work out the culprit of some random crime that happened goodness knows when? In a word, yes. Hang on, this isn't one of them is it? You know, when Miss Marple announces, 'It were all of them!' This isn't crime fiction! This is real. Rest assured, there is only one culprit in this case. The case files are right there on the table. Best of luck to you. The speaker switches off. Hey, what do you mean, 'unfortunate things'? ..... Hmph. Oh well, there's nowt for it then. I'll have to figure out who killed this pig. Hilda'll be fuming. I best get out of here and apologise for running off before she bursts a blood vessel. So, where are these files then? Here we are. Now, let's see... They're all wearing masks! All the suspects are dressed up as animals as well. And who have we got for suspects?    Well, they've all got motive enough, that's for sure. What else have we got here? What are all these photos? They all look alike. Here we go. There's a note with them. I see, this Pig were a wary fellow. He'd set up a load of hidden cameras around the place. These photos show the comings and goings from this room ont' day of the murder. And the only two people that knew about the camera were Pig himself and his missus, Cat. Interesting. Seems like you should be able to figure out roughly what happened just by looking at these, then. So, which one's first?  Looks like they'd had a fight, then. According to the paperwork, Pig were expecting him to turn up for a meeting that day.   Now, we haven't had a picture yet showing Donkey leaving, so the two of them must be in there together.     And then it's just... By 'eck, that's a lot of photos. And a lot of comings and goings. I think my head's about to explode. If only there'd been a camera to show us what happened inside the room as well. Too easy, I suppose. I could really do with some statements from everyone involved as well. Now, I suppose I'll have to try figure out the cause of death and what were used to kill the victim. That's elementary stuff, that is. I can hear the Prof in my head telling me that.Lucy has also spent this entire time talking outloud to herself. I think she needs a holiday. Well, at least I've got an idea of where to start, I suppose. Keep your chin up, Prof. And you, Hilda. I'll solve this case, no trouble! 
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After looking at the photo series a dozen times I think I remember the sequence of events of this weird-rear end case, looking forward to seeing if Diane helps Lucy with the hints or if she just has to talk to herself. 
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Now hold on, did Miss Marple ever have an "it were all of 'em" mystery? Poirot did the Orient Express.
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I haven't played this, so I'll give solving it a shot. Only thing I can see so far from those photos is that Dog leaves the room at 12:42 without his leather sachel. He goes back in at 12:43, and emerges at 12:44 carrying it in his hand. I've also been looking for any height and weight differences between one suspect and another, to see if anyone pulled off a mask or clothing swap with someone else, and found nothing. Height and weight match mask and clothing throughout. Spoiler-tagged my observations so others can look for themselves if they want, before reading my thoughts.
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Wait, a rich wife who stood to gain a lot from her dead husband's life insurance, compounded with a character named Dog who looks like a dog? gently caress, this is the Mahn in Potsby-Mahn, isn't it? Cat is Goldie.
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Just found this thread, and I'm glad I caught it before the end. It's been a long time since I finished this game, so the fine details of each case escaped me, and reading through everyone's reactions as the plot progresses has been really fun. I'm looking forward to seeing the finish of this again.
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I'd almost want to say it's cat just from the pattern established from the previous cases, and interesting we don't see her come in the last one. But I also notice how Hen looks like she was looking to see if the coast is clear when she exits.
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...all of this seems more like some elaborate hazing ritual. Or maybe Diane really wanted Layton to work through her puzzle castle.
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No statements?  What we crucially don't know, is what went on inside the room. I could really do with a statement or two from all the suspects to get more of a handle ont' situation. The crime scene:    The door:     The bookcase in the right-hand corner:     The white table in the centre of the room:      The window:   Hm, locked, eh? Still, if you broke the glass, you could get outside that--Speaker comes on. What are you dreaming about, Ms Baker? Agh! Diane! Stop concocting ridiculous schemes in your head, and investigate properly! Otherwise I might be forced to pump gas into the room. You never would! Ha ha ha. Good luck now.Speaker goes off. Oh, she's just playing with me, I'm sure...isn't she?  The stand/plant in the left-hand side of the room:    The small desk with the loudspeaker:     Not going to press the button right now. The body on the couch:      The desk at the bottom left-hand corner of the room:         Eh-up, a little bloodstain, look. What's that doing here when the victim's body's over there ont' sofa?    At last, statements. What a funny place to put them. So, first we've got the victim's wife, Cat...  Really, Lucy? Really? Then there's a statement from the housekeeper, Hen.  Now then, let's see what Dog's got to say for himself. Says the woman who threatened to beat up her boss.  That's a bit sus, that is. Mind you, he were only back int' room for a very short time. Maybe there's nowt more to it than what he says. Next up's that jeweller, the Donkey. What were Diane thinking? Which would make it pretty tricky to get up to any monkey business. And that's the lot of 'em. Hmm...  Based on the facts I've ascertained so far, one of these statements is a lie!
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Hmmm. We know that Pig never left the room, so unless Dog and Donkey are in it together (and assuming Pig wasn't into playing hide-and-seek) then he must have been dead before Donkey arrived. So Donkey didn't do it. He was killed by being hit on the back of the head with the ashtray, then I think the body was hidden under the desk while Donkey was in there. But we saw Pig throw Cat out, so she didn't do it either. I think that Dog killed him, hid the body while Donkey was there (presumably Pig's paperwork also showed Donkey's appointment), then on the pretext of getting his bag moved the body to the sofa. Hen found the body, but decided to steal the cash in his wallet rather than alert people to the murder. (Why this takes 17 minutes is beyond me.)
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inflatablefish posted:Hmmm. This seems about right. Well, that or Cat's got the strength borne of madness and left Pig dead and hanging up inside his coat.
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Jan 20, 2016 02:43
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