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RADIOHEADISGOD
Sep 29, 2005
wtf mate?

HisMajestyBOB posted:

Half the fun of the vegan comics is watching posters flip out over them.

That's what I liked about Day by Day, too.

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Hitler B. Natural
Feb 11, 2014

It's an edit, Goon braintrust.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

loquacius posted:

I know attempting to understand Dees is a fruitless endeavor, but can someone tell me why he apparently thinks Jews can never actually be gay themselves, and/or how Jews out-reproducing "the European race" on a global scale long enough to seriously affect demographics is at all possible no matter what the relative gayness levels are :psyduck:

I've heard a lot of anti semitic rhetoric trying to come to terms with the fact that orthodox jews do not like gay marriage and yet a lot of Jewish organizations were funding the push for gay marriage in the US so why would they do that?

To normal people the obvious reason is that secular, reform, reconstructionist and (most) conservative jews are OK with gay marriage and they were the ones backing it. To crazy people it's "they want to drive down the non Jewish reproduction".

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

RagnarokAngel posted:

I've heard a lot of anti semitic rhetoric trying to come to terms with the fact that orthodox jews do not like gay marriage and yet a lot of Jewish organizations were funding the push for gay marriage in the US so why would they do that?

To normal people the obvious reason is that secular, reform, reconstructionist and (most) conservative jews are OK with gay marriage and they were the ones backing it. To crazy people it's "they want to drive down the non Jewish reproduction".

Also on the list of things orthodox Jews do not like: secular, reform, reconstructionist and (most) conservative Jews

(unless they need another guy for a minyan in which case it's all the same thing brother)

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Yeah that's not a cool edit bro.

alnilam
Nov 10, 2009


lol, but also gently caress you if sincere

e: actually gently caress you either way, I initially thought the inversion might be kinda funny but it's pretty transphobic even if not sincere so yeah

HisMajestyBOB posted:

Half the fun of the vegan comics is watching posters flip out over them.

Yeah, the number of sophomoric south-park-tier opinions that come out after vegan komix are posted is a real treat.

alnilam fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jan 19, 2016

stillvisions
Oct 15, 2014

I really should have come up with something better before spending five bucks on this.

gradenko_2000 posted:

I don't think it's meant to be taken literally. "Drinking soymilk makes you into an emasculated pansy!", says the meat-loving patriarchy. "No it doesn't!", says gender-progressive veganism

Actually, it was meant to be taken literally - it's long been debunked (or at least the impact has been reduced to insigificant) but there was something years ago about concerns that a compound in soy linked to estrogen production could cause issues with testosterone/estrogen levels in men.

CowHammer
Feb 18, 2013

E-Tank posted:

The artist has gone on record stating that it is none of our business what she feeds her little dog who is totally a vegan.

Thankfully dogs are a bit hardier in that regard than cats, but loving christ.

The two biggest problems with making cats go vegan:

1. They don't synthesize taurine (unlike humans and dogs, which is why it's stupid and pointless to put taurine in anything for human consumption), so if you don't supplement, they'll just eventually go blind and probably die. The only way to get around this is to use synthesized (not natural, because that requires harvesting taurine from animal remains) taurine supplements, and you know how these kind of people are about anything "unnatural."
2. Cats are picky fuckers, so good luck getting them to eat pureed vegetables or whatever.

I don't think anyone has done any long-term studies on it or anything, but dogs will probably be fine on a vegan diet as long as they're getting a good variety of vitamins and minerals and whatnot.

Also, yes there's a really strange (and not backed up by any actual evidence whatsoever) belief that eating a lot of soy makes you grow boobs. I think it's popular in the bro body-building circles, so they always go for whey-based protein supplements instead of soy.

wearing a lampshade
Mar 6, 2013

There is a hormonal impact from heavy soy intake, but only if you're going to be sensitive to hormonal imbalance, as in menopausal women. It's a common recommendation to avoid soy during menopause.
(...or take more of it. )

I literally know of no such similar impact in men however.

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc

E-Tank posted:



"This is not just a first world problems white girl movement!" *posts group of pictures showing nothing but first world white girls*



:pervert:

Hitler B. Natural posted:

It's an edit, Goon braintrust.



Did he make a larger version?

Sir Tonk fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Jan 19, 2016

E-Tank
Aug 4, 2011

Whoa whoa. Lets not make fun of trans people while mocking Vegans.

And geeze, I actually started to look into it and there actually are quite a few people who decide their babies need to be Vegan. For some asinine reason.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18574603/

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/05/nyregion/couple-guilty-of-assault-in-vegan-case.html

quote:

The girl, IIce (pronounced ICE), will be 3 in July and has been living in foster care since the authorities took her from her parents in November 2001. Prosecutors said yesterday that IIce was ''now on the growth scale,'' and was physically progressing, but doctors suspect that she has neurological damage.

. . .That name is just the loving icing on the cake. Someone sat down and said "How can I make sure my child's life is ruined completely and utterly? I know. I'll name her Ice. And then never feed her."

E-Tank fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Jan 19, 2016

Taciturn Tactician
Jan 27, 2011

The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation
Lipstick Apathy

Mulva posted:

Yeah that's not a cool edit bro.

E-Tank posted:

Whoa whoa. Lets not make fun of trans people while mocking Vegans.

While I see why you have a problem with it, I'm pretty sure it was just riffing on that strip about the dude spontaneously growing giant breasts when he drank soy milk, not any judgement about trans people.

Mister Beeg
Sep 7, 2012

A Certified Jerk

Sir Tonk posted:

Did he make a larger version?

Here's a larger version:

Squashy Nipples
Aug 18, 2007

Lord_Ventnor posted:

I think Telnaes has become my favorite cartoonist posted on here. There's this expressiveness to her art that isn't present in any of the other thread regulars. And her caricatures are spot-on.

From a few pages back, but this perfectly encapsulates what I like about Telnaes' work.

Fearless posted:

I'm really not sure. I do know based on a few friends of mine that a nourishing, healthy vegan diet is entirely possible but it requires pretty careful management to ensure that important elements of nutrition aren't forgotten. I don't condemn vegans on the basis of the lunatic fringe for the same reason that I don't poo poo on more traditional diets because of people that do nothing but gruffle down burgers.

Yep, it's entirely possible to have a healthy, balanced vegan diet, but it requires a lot of work. If you aren't willing to learn how to cook for yourself, and to learn a little about nutrition science, then you'll likely end up being a what I call a "potato chip vegan", a diet on par with people who eat fast food burgers all the time.

Source: I live with a vegan chef.
(she is actually a vegetarian now, mostly because she likes cream in her coffee)

loquacius posted:

I've heard "vegans would love to eat meat and dairy if the animals were housed in humane conditions" from non-vegans speaking in defense of vegans as a whole and "you didn't ask that cow for her milk" from actual vegans

Mrs. Squashy would be morally OK with eating wild-caught fish. She has tried a bite of fish on a few occasions, but since she was raised vegetarian she just can't get it down, the texture is too alien for her.

She grew up in rural Iowa, and has a lot of nasty things to say about the giant industrial hog farms that replaced the small family farms of her youth.

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011


We got cartoon sign!

1
ANY loving DAY NOW

2
The FBI is plotting to murder.

3
I'd have used a burning cross, but this works.

4
Obama did a prisoner swap, so expect a lot of "Support Are Troops" types to be mad about this.

5
No no no, thing bad! Thing BAD!

6
Oh god



7
See you in like five months Gorrell when you're blindly supporting Trump.

8
Happy White People Pretend to Care Day

9
You see son, I'm a manchild and only want big vroom vroom cars.

10
Obama supports new developments in clean energy.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Rorus Raz posted:


9
You see son, I'm a manchild and only want big vroom vroom cars.

10
Obama supports new developments in clean energy.

There's nothing sadder than the right's "Oh no, pollution is decreasing(or may decrease), this is the worst".

alnilam
Nov 10, 2009

Rorus Raz posted:

8
Happy White People Pretend to Care Day

Hello I'd like to complain, my 2016 calendar starts the week on Saturdays??

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 18 days!)

RagnarokAngel posted:

I've heard a lot of anti semitic rhetoric trying to come to terms with the fact that orthodox jews do not like gay marriage and yet a lot of Jewish organizations were funding the push for gay marriage in the US so why would they do that?

To normal people the obvious reason is that secular, reform, reconstructionist and (most) conservative jews are OK with gay marriage and they were the ones backing it. To crazy people it's "they want to drive down the non Jewish reproduction".

Also the Israeli government has invested a lot of time and money into an ad campaign which presents themselves as being a Gay Friendly country.

Then again the thing you need to understand about Dees is that he believes in all the conspiracy theories.

nobodyssweetheart
Sep 26, 2015

I'm so proud my brother
is death ray panda


http://wonkette.com/558269/now-is-the-time-we-watch-john-boehners-monkey-you-will-watch-his-monkey-video

E-Tank
Aug 4, 2011

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Also the Israeli government has invested a lot of time and money into an ad campaign which presents themselves as being a Gay Friendly country.

Then again the thing you need to understand about Dees is that he believes in all the conspiracy theories.

Except for angels. Only idiots believe in angels.

D.N. Nation
Feb 1, 2012

Rorus Raz posted:

1
ANY loving DAY NOW

This is...not going to happen.

Do these people legitimately believe this? Does Nate Beeler think that Iran is going to drop a nuclear bomb on Israel? Does he have some sort of foreign relations expertise he's pulling from to formulate this opinion? Or is it anything to keep the various Mee-Maws and Pop-Pops, who constitute the dwindling readership of his newspaper, deeply afraid and always going back to blaming Obama for their fear?

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Rorus Raz posted:

9
You see son, I'm a manchild and only want big vroom vroom cars.

If he's in the back then who's driving? If it's not his car and he's just a passenger then why does he care how it's powered?

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
INTUITION



Toilet Rascal
Payne is from Michigan, which has a city that's experiencing one of the worst water crisises in a long time, where the water literally catches fire. But lower pollution: bad.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008


same

"That's a person who holds an opinion on energy policy which I disagree with. This makes him intolerant for self-evident reasons, so I drew him as a Puritan. This is coherent political satire."

quote:

10
Obama supports new developments in clean energy.

what is supposed to be so bad about the coal industry dying exactly

Like, the people who work for them will need new jobs, yes, but green energy producers need workers too. This would be a lateral move for them in terms of payment/job security, and a huge jump forward in terms of having a job that doesn't have the potential to kill you in several different unpleasant ways. Even Henry Payne, coal/oil-industry shill, could simply use his existing body of work as an energy-industry shill to become a shill for big wind or whatever.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->
Unemployment that would be caused by the closing of coal plants is a legitimate concern yes, which is why I am sure that the people highlighting this concern are also supportive of a strong social safety net for the unemployed.

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc

Mister Beeg posted:

Here's a larger version:



Awesome, thanks!

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Taciturn Tactician posted:

While I see why you have a problem with it, I'm pretty sure it was just riffing on that strip about the dude spontaneously growing giant breasts when he drank soy milk, not any judgement about trans people.

This, and for reference in case you missed it:


Which has nothing to do with trans people but with something about soybean containing phytoestrogens which act like estrogen and fears over how it could affect men. Mostly though I'm amused over how insecure you must feel over your diet to post a collage of normal looking vegans including ME THE ARTIST LOOK I'M NOT UGLY LIKE YOU THINK.

Bass Bottles
Jan 14, 2006

BOSS BATTLES DID NOTHING WRONG

loquacius posted:

same

"That's a person who holds an opinion on energy policy which I disagree with. This makes him intolerant for self-evident reasons, so I drew him as a Puritan. This is coherent political satire."


what is supposed to be so bad about the coal industry dying exactly

Like, the people who work for them will need new jobs, yes, but green energy producers need workers too. This would be a lateral move for them in terms of payment/job security, and a huge jump forward in terms of having a job that doesn't have the potential to kill you in several different unpleasant ways. Even Henry Payne, coal/oil-industry shill, could simply use his existing body of work as an energy-industry shill to become a shill for big wind or whatever.

This just isn't true, though.

Working for a coal company is probably not that similar to working for a solar panel company or windfarm. The skills aren't really transferable. And you're also assuming that the new energy companies will be built anywhere near the old coal mines.

A couple years ago I visited a small mining town that had basically been thrown into poverty when the mine closed. The entire town was based around that mine, and no one was able just transition to a new position at a windfarm or whatever. These are poor working class people with children and large extended families/support systems, sometime divorces, who can't just pack up and move away.

Like, it's easy to dismiss them as dumb hicks who think global warming is a lie because they're gullible, but these are actually people whose lives are ruined by stuff like this. It's not cut and dry positive progress. You are throwing people under the bus, whatever you do.

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope

CowHammer posted:

The two biggest problems with making cats go vegan:

1. They don't synthesize taurine (unlike humans and dogs, which is why it's stupid and pointless to put taurine in anything for human consumption), so if you don't supplement, they'll just eventually go blind and probably die. The only way to get around this is to use synthesized (not natural, because that requires harvesting taurine from animal remains) taurine supplements, and you know how these kind of people are about anything "unnatural."
2. Cats are picky fuckers, so good luck getting them to eat pureed vegetables or whatever.

I don't think anyone has done any long-term studies on it or anything, but dogs will probably be fine on a vegan diet as long as they're getting a good variety of vitamins and minerals and whatnot.

Also, yes there's a really strange (and not backed up by any actual evidence whatsoever) belief that eating a lot of soy makes you grow boobs. I think it's popular in the bro body-building circles, so they always go for whey-based protein supplements instead of soy.

I eat 15000 calories of soy a day with no exercise, and I've grown boobs.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


Nenonen posted:

This, and for reference in case you missed it:


Which has nothing to do with trans people but with something about soybean containing phytoestrogens which act like estrogen and fears over how it could affect men. Mostly though I'm amused over how insecure you must feel over your diet to post a collage of normal looking vegans including ME THE ARTIST LOOK I'M NOT UGLY LIKE YOU THINK.

The shirt bursts open, she drew the shirt tearing, but the pants are still zipped and whole, so I can only assume the manly tea drinker's dildo necklace popped off with the sudden tits explosion.

I feel like she should have drawn a dick ghost escaping his pants if they didn't feel like drawing a pants explosion. I'm thinking about a dick ghost and man I could use a new avatar it just feels like a huge wasted opportunity.

alnilam
Nov 10, 2009

Bass Bottles posted:

This just isn't true, though.

Working for a coal company is probably not that similar to working for a solar panel company or windfarm. The skills aren't really transferable. And you're also assuming that the new energy companies will be built anywhere near the old coal mines.

A couple years ago I visited a small mining town that had basically been thrown into poverty when the mine closed. The entire town was based around that mine, and no one was able just transition to a new position at a windfarm or whatever. These are poor working class people with children and large extended families/support systems, sometime divorces, who can't just pack up and move away.

Like, it's easy to dismiss them as dumb hicks who think global warming is a lie because they're gullible, but these are actually people whose lives are ruined by stuff like this. It's not cut and dry positive progress. You are throwing people under the bus, whatever you do.

This is all true, but not a reason not to act. Yes, it's sad, and I think those people deserve respect and significant assistance for sure. But you can't use "what about the poor mining towns" as a reason not to act against climate change. I'm not saying you are, but people do; I actually know people who say that climate change is real and bad but that it's not worth loving over the poor miners.

Sadly this reasoning happens with prisons, too. "Yes it's true we have too many prisoners and a bad reintegration system, but let's not pass criminal justice reform, because think of the small towns where the nearby state prison is the sole source of employment" is a real thing that people say. Especially people in office whose congressional district is comprised mainly of such a town :v:

If there were a town whose economy was based around needlessly torturing puppies, and people determined that puppy torture was unethical and should be outlawed, I guess these same people would say "but won't somebody pleeease think of the good people of Pupkill, Nebraska?"

Trogdos!
Jul 11, 2009

A DRAGON POKEMAN
well technically a water/flying type
"Jordan is Palestine"

quote:

77% of Palestine is territory occupied by the kingdom of Jordan.
Israel, the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and Gaza all together make up only 23%.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Yeah, maybe I was a bit too cavalier with my post, but what it comes down to is that every time something changes people who profited off the old way of doing things will suffer until they figure out how to make their lives work under the new way. It happened when farm mechanization forced all the fieldhands into manufacturing work, and it happened again when the manufacturing jobs went overseas and people were forced into the service economy. That doesn't mean we should just stop changing things for any reason.

e:

Trogdos! posted:

"Jordan is Palestine"


Is his point here "Israel is entitled to all Jordan's land" or is it "The Palestinians should be happy with the 77% of the British Mandate they got!" or is it "Jordan should just take in the Palestinians and get them off our case already" because he is not making it clear himself

loquacius fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Jan 19, 2016

Bass Bottles
Jan 14, 2006

BOSS BATTLES DID NOTHING WRONG

alnilam posted:

This is all true, but not a reason not to act. Yes, it's sad, and I think those people deserve respect and significant assistance for sure. But you can't use "what about the poor mining towns" as a reason not to act against climate change. I'm not saying you are, but people do; I actually know people who say that climate change is real and bad but that it's not worth loving over the poor miners.

Sadly this reasoning happens with prisons, too. "Yes it's true we have too many prisoners and a bad reintegration system, but let's not pass criminal justice reform, because think of the small towns where the nearby state prison is the sole source of employment" is a real thing that people say. Especially people in office whose congressional district is comprised mainly of such a town :v:

If there were a town whose economy was based around needlessly torturing puppies, and people determined that puppy torture was unethical and should be outlawed, I guess these same people would say "but won't somebody pleeease think of the good people of Pupkill, Nebraska?"

I mean yeah, it's just annoying to see people arrogantly dismiss impoverished conservatives as "stupidly voting against their own interests" when actually, their decisions are coming from a place of serious need and logic.

OldMemes
Sep 5, 2011

I have to go now. My planet needs me.
A lot of the Corbyn dislike comes from the almost cult-like following that sprung up around him. It's hard to judge him as leader of the Labour party when there's an echo chamber before he's actually even done anything. British cartoons ping pong wildly between the centre left and right, much like the British population. Like, most British people want immigrants to be able to take part in our culture, yet the papers run cartoons of crafty hoardes flowing into the country with a little [* not racist] disclaimer. The Prime Minster sets aside money to teach muslim women english to spare them from abuse and radicalisation, and give them a chance to actually settle and take part in the country and the cartoons say he's worse than Trump. But that's normal Anti-etablishment jokes and class jokes are a key part of British comedy. It's less about what message the comedian is trying to put across, and more 'is it absurd? Is it funny? Yep, print it'.

British humour is wierd like that.

Zelder
Jan 4, 2012

i can't believe we ever used to let the British run the world

Taciturn Tactician
Jan 27, 2011

The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation
Lipstick Apathy

loquacius posted:

Yeah, maybe I was a bit too cavalier with my post, but what it comes down to is that every time something changes people who profited off the old way of doing things will suffer until they figure out how to make their lives work under the new way. It happened when farm mechanization forced all the fieldhands into manufacturing work, and it happened again when the manufacturing jobs went overseas and people were forced into the service economy. That doesn't mean we should just stop changing things for any reason.

e:


Is his point here "Israel is entitled to all Jordan's land" or is it "The Palestinians should be happy with the 77% of the British Mandate they got!" or is it "Jordan should just take in the Palestinians and get them off our case already" because he is not making it clear himself

It's the last one. "Why are Palestinians trying to take our land, go take Jordan's land!"

OldMemes posted:

The Prime Minster sets aside money to teach muslim women english to spare them from abuse and radicalisation, and give them a chance to actually settle and take part in the country and the cartoons say he's worse than Trump.

*and if you don't learn English I'm going to deport you, is the part you left out.

Taciturn Tactician fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Jan 19, 2016

OldMemes
Sep 5, 2011

I have to go now. My planet needs me.

Zelder posted:

i can't believe we ever used to let the British run the world

It didn't turn out massively well, we've been feeling bad about it since World War 2 ended, if that helps.

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008


This is me as I make another great post


Good luck with your depression!

loquacius posted:

Is his point here "Israel is entitled to all Jordan's land" or is it "The Palestinians should be happy with the 77% of the British Mandate they got!" or is it "Jordan should just take in the Palestinians and get them off our case already" because he is not making it clear himself

This argument is a classic for the crowd of "Palestinians are a made up ethnic group that just want to extort Plucky Lil Israel!"

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there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

seiferguy posted:

Payne is from Michigan, which has a city that's experiencing one of the worst water crisises in a long time, where the water literally catches fire. But lower pollution: bad.

Payne is from Michigan, which has a city that's experiencing one of the worst water crisises in a long time, where the water literally catches fire/is contaminated with a deadly neurotoxin/is breeding bacteria that causes legionaries disease.

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