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Jose posted:are you eligible for this vote? Brexit? Nah. Neither is one of our MSPs. http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13215256.French_born_SNP_MSP__it_s_a_democratic_disgrace_that_I_can_t_vote_in_EU_referendum/
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Extreme0 posted:Lol I'm hosed in Tory Britian thanks to the fuckers down south so I'm fine with The Troubles II: Electric Scotaloo. You'd welcome paramilitary violence in Scotland?
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Pissflaps posted:You'd welcome paramilitary violence in Scotland? Yes. But more akin to it happening in the south and middle england really. Because lmaoboy1998 posted:Britain is poo poo.
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Extreme0 posted:Yes. I think it's actually because you're a loving infant. Meanwhile https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/689490540589666305 
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Pissflaps posted:I think it's actually because you're a loving infant. remember when you reported someone for making fun of you lmao.
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That matters less ever than the rest of the polls you post since it says nothing about opinions or about actual chances.
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Noxville posted:That matters less ever than the rest of the polls you post since it says nothing about opinions or about actual chances. Polls are a snapshot of public opinion. That one is no exception.
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Pissflaps posted:I think it's actually because you're a loving infant. quote:About I mean, it's great that they're getting this much press, but why are they getting this much press, and why are we supposed to trust them, exactly? It sounds like a backroom hobby business run by the equivalent of this thread. Why do we think they have any legitimacy, again?
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thespaceinvader posted:I've been wondering, so I did some research, and it turns out BritainElects don't really have... well, any credentials at all, really, to make me think their polling has any reliability. They only have any presence on social media, and their websites are placeholders and on tumblr Your research can't have been very exhaustive: it's just a twitter account that tweets poll results. '(via YouGov / 14 - 15 Jan)' should have given you a clue.
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Pissflaps posted:Your research can't have been very exhaustive: it's just a twitter account that tweets poll results. '(via YouGov / 14 - 15 Jan)' should have given you a clue. Do they link to the polls concerned? Do they provide any information beyond numbers? How do we tell whether their reporting is accurate, exactly?
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thespaceinvader posted:Do they link to the polls concerned? Do they provide any information beyond numbers? If they're falsifying poll results of legitimate polling companies it should be an easy thing to prove, though frankly you're just sounding a bit paranoid.
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Pissflaps posted:If they're falsifying poll results of legitimate polling companies it should be an easy thing to prove, though frankly you're just sounding a bit paranoid. It would be easy to verify their results if they provided any links to them. Just saying. They don't have to be falsifying them, even, it's very easy to misrepresent polling data in a biased manner. I'll have a proper poke around when it's not nearly midnight.
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Pissflaps posted:I think it's actually because you're a loving infant. :human being: Stop being so mean ya big bully! Flectarn posted:remember when you reported someone for making fun of you lmao. Pissflaps... Pissflaps never changes.
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Jan 20, 2016 00:19
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thespaceinvader posted:It would be easy to verify their results if they provided any links to them. Just saying. They don't have to be falsifying them, even, it's very easy to misrepresent polling data in a biased manner. They're just tweeting results of polls. I've done the poking around for you.  Yikes.
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Pissflaps posted:They're just tweeting results of polls. I've done the poking around for you. You sure are taking this Tsundere role on Corbyn a bit seriously then I would like.
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Coohoolin posted:You should watch this You're doing the play a disservice, because it really doesn't make a case for Scotland being "perpetually crushed under the heel of British imperialism." It charts exploitation of and violence against the poor and the dispossessed in the highlands by the rich and the powerful (many of whom are, in fact, Scottish), and points of resistance to that exploitation. You can justifiably argue that it depicts the highlands being crushed under the heel of British imperialism, but it doesn't juxtapose Scotland and Britain the way you want it to. It's about capitalism, not nationalism. I agree everyone should watch the video though; it's one of the best works of 20th century theatre.
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We'll see in May how hosed Corbyn is, though I imagine the answer will be "Oh poo poo he did well, how do we explain that he didn't really?" like Oldham. He's only just finished having to fight over staying in the position he got without being ousted and is now busy trying to make the Labour Party not poo poo and appears to actually be succeeding at it. He 's even got his Shadow Cabinet to stop briefing against him, which is a nice start to the year.
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It's funny how much everyone agrees on nationalising the railways and limiting directors' bonuses, and on the Tories being a bunch of grasping toadies, and yet think Cameron is a good Prime Minister and Corbyn would be an awful one. The power of the media, getting you to vote against your own interests even as you are aware it's happening.
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OwlFancier posted:I'm arguing there is no meaningful national identity which justifies the formation of a political entity around it. As I see it the ScotNat independence movement must be a nationalist movement because the character of unequal treatment of Scotland is predicated on it being Scotland, if you follow me. The resistance is characterised by what it is resisting. Scotland is treated like poo poo as Scotland. So it's real easy to get people to rally around and identify with national identity when they feel like they are treated like poo poo on account of the historical accident of having been born in a given nation, and that therefore that economic and political repression is bound up with their cultural identity, language, customs, whatever. Sometimes (almost always?) national identity is just garbage exploited by shitbag politicians, sometimes national culture, or language, or whatever are repressed by a central government. Nationalism is absolutely trash that belongs in the bin, but it's possibly a lesser evil than national repression.
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:It's funny how much everyone agrees on nationalising the railways and limiting directors' bonuses, and on the Tories being a bunch of grasping toadies, and yet think Cameron is a good Prime Minister and Corbyn would be an awful one. I agree with those policies, but I have zero confidence in Corbyn being able to enact them.
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:It's funny how much everyone agrees on nationalising the railways and limiting directors' bonuses, and on the Tories being a bunch of grasping toadies, and yet think Cameron is a good Prime Minister and Corbyn would be an awful one. The British public dosen't deserve such luxuries or sympathy if they are easily fooled. Just another bunch of runts feasting apon a giant turd they have been givin.
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Coohoolin posted:Brexit? Nah. Either that article is bullshit, or Christian Allard is not eligible to be an MSP. If he were, he couldn't be excluded on the basis of the general election franchise because one of the requirements to stand in UK elections is that you're able to vote in them.
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Jedit posted:Either that article is bullshit, or Christian Allard is not eligible to be an MSP. If he were, he couldn't be excluded on the basis of the general election franchise because one of the requirements to stand in UK elections is that you're able to vote in them. Not the case, EU citizens resident in Scotland are eligible to vote in the Scottish Parliamentary elections, just like they are eligible to vote in local elections. It's only the GE as far as I know that requires British/Commonwealth citizenship.
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big scary monsters posted:Not the case, EU citizens resident in Scotland are eligible to vote in the Scottish Parliamentary elections, just like they are eligible to vote in local elections. It's only the GE as far as I know that requires British/Commonwealth citizenship. Can you find me a cite on that? I checked the regs on this before posting and if the voting franchise is a devolved issue, they failed to mention it.
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Oberleutnant posted:As I see it the ScotNat independence movement must be a nationalist movement because the character of unequal treatment of Scotland is predicated on it being Scotland, if you follow me. The resistance is characterised by what it is resisting. Scotland is treated like poo poo as Scotland. So it's real easy to get people to rally around and identify with national identity when they feel like they are treated like poo poo on account of the historical accident of having been born in a given nation, and that therefore that economic and political repression is bound up with their cultural identity, language, customs, whatever. Sometimes (almost always?) national identity is just garbage exploited by shitbag politicians, sometimes national culture, or language, or whatever are repressed by a central government. Critical support for scottish national liberation as a wedge to destroy the united kingdom. But scotland will be a key member of the British Federated People's Republics HorseLord fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Jan 20, 2016 |
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pissflaps the "i don't think jeremy corbyn is likely to win an election" poll is fairly obviously contributed to by every media outlet up to and including the BBC saying "jeremy corbyn is not likely to win an election" since before he was elected it is a pointless metric. various approval ratings are much less pointless, though one might very well discuss whether they should be taken seriously and/or be used as a rationale to oust him - again, there doesn't really seem to be anyone else in the modern labour party who reasonably could win an election
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Pissflaps posted:They're just tweeting results of polls. I've done the poking around for you. Is that big dip from Syria bombing?? I don't understand what he did wrong there.
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Jan 20, 2016 03:01
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Corbyn just needs to seize the means of mass communications. The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses.
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no matter how one spins it, a party being in apparent total civil war is not an indication of solid leadership. similarly, one may reasonably judge a prime minister by how effective they are at getting their legislation through, as well as how good their proposed legislation is
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Bedshaped posted:Is that big dip from Syria bombing?? Probably a combo of the shoot to kill stuff, "losing" the vote on Syria, there was almost certainly a lot of nasty articles in the news....
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Especially given that the press presented his opposition to Shoot On Sight for people who look a bit terroristy as opposing shooting people if they're actively going around committing terrorist offenses.
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honestly i suspect that a lot of corbyn's relatively poor stats are due to a fairly relentless media campaign against him. this doesn't really change the fact that the stats are what they are, and that we should consider them on their own terms, however. i tend to believe that it may well be that corbyn cannot win the 2020 election bar some form of miracle, but neither can anyone else and corbyn is if nothing else a credible opposition figure
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Jedit posted:Can you find me a cite on that? I checked the regs on this before posting and if the voting franchise is a devolved issue, they failed to mention it. I happen to know because I'm related to a Scotland resident, non-British EU citizen, but this (somewhat unclear) page says the same. http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/what-can-i-vote-for/scottish-parliament Whereas non-British & Irish EU citizens are specifically mentioned as being excluded from the general election franchise. http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/faq/voting-and-registration/who-is-eligible-to-vote-at-a-uk-general-election
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Guavanaut posted:Especially given that the press presented his opposition to Shoot On Sight for people who look a bit terroristy as opposing shooting people if they're actively going around committing terrorist offenses. Jesus, yet again it's all the fault of the press. Whatever his actual views, it was idiotic to say what he did less than a week after the Paris attacks. Though I understand and agree with his point when I read the interview in full, my immediate thought on seeing the headline was an image of a massacre like the Paris concert with Corbyn standing in the way of the armed police responders yelling "Stop! You should talk to them first!". The man needs to understand that simply saying his opinions regardless of current events is not a winning strategy; at the very least it makes him look tactless. At worst it makes him look oblivious. Plucky Brit fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Jan 20, 2016 |
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Plucky Brit posted:Though I understand and agree with his point when I read the interview in full, my immediate thought on seeing the headline
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Guavanaut posted:So you agree that it was a problem with how the press presented what he said? No, the problem is assuming that everyone has the time and inclination to read through his entire considered response. In other words, assuming that everyone treats national politics as a hobby. Also assuming that people should take a cold and rational view immediately after a massacre.
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Plucky Brit posted:No, the problem is assuming that everyone has the time and inclination to read through his entire considered response. In other words, assuming that everyone treats national politics as a hobby.
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