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mallamp posted:He could slow down a bit, the new Mistborn books aren't that great  W&W Era (books and setting) is better than the first trilogy, fight me (fellow) nerds.
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OAquinas posted:What the ever-loving gently caress sanderson? I didn't even know about that novella until I hit the link (and then involuntarily clicked the 1-click-order button). This outta be good. Also, how the hell does he accidentally write entire books? Which novella is this?
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Jan 26, 2016 02:19
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Rygar201 posted:
That is sort of like saying that getting punched in the stomach is better than getting punched in the nuts. It's true, but neither of them are very good outcomes.
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Jan 26, 2016 02:23
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Khizan posted:That is sort of like saying that getting punched in the stomach is better than getting punched in the nuts. It's true, but neither of them are very good outcomes. Do not like Sanderson at all, or just prefer his other work? Cause km having a hard time getting into Stormlight Archives. It's just soo sloooooow
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Jan 26, 2016 02:29
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Sanderson's ideas and world building are very good, but his prose, characterization and dialogue always read like Young Adult material to me. He's fast, but he's mostly fast because his writing is hitting just above fan-fiction level. Worse, I don't necessarily think he's gotten that much better over time. Jim Butcher dwells in the same general sphere as Sanderson in my head, but Jim has, at least, improved his craft over time. At least more noticeably than Sanderson, anyway.
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VanillaGorilla posted:Sanderson's ideas and world building are very good, but his prose, characterization and dialogue always read like Young Adult material to me. He's fast, but he's mostly fast because his writing is hitting just above fan-fiction level. Worse, I don't necessarily think he's gotten that much better over time. Jim Butcher dwells in the same general sphere as Sanderson in my head, but Jim has, at least, improved his craft over time. At least more noticeably than Sanderson, anyway. The emperor's soul and Perfect state were pretty dang good.
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Jan 26, 2016 02:41
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If you think Sanderson hasn't been improving his craft over time I'm not sure what criteria you're using. Even Way of Kings to Words of Radiance is a noticeable jump in quality.
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Jan 26, 2016 02:45
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Rygar201 posted:Do not like Sanderson at all, or just prefer his other work? Cause km having a hard time getting into Stormlight Archives. It's just soo sloooooow The first book drags a bit, true. It's not even badly written, it's just that it's laying the groundwork for a 10-novel-series (well, 5 novels and then a time jump), so it has a lot to cover. Things speed up nicely 2/3 the way in (admittedly, that's like 600 pages, but yeah). WoR is much better paced.
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Jan 26, 2016 02:52
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Wolpertinger posted:Which novella is this? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B0NS93U/ref=r_soa_w_d It's a e-book exclusive release that's apparently cosmere heavy, in the period of the Final Empire trilogy. Read: While Mistborn was always a cosmere book series, Brandon wanted a few more early hooks for Later Stuff and didn't want to reissue them.
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Jan 26, 2016 02:54
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Rygar201 posted:Do not like Sanderson at all, or just prefer his other work? Cause km having a hard time getting into Stormlight Archives. It's just soo sloooooow My problem with Sanderson is that he only has two things going for him. The first is strong worldbuilding, and the second is just sheer writing speed. Everything else he does is workmanlike at its best, if not outright mediocre. Honestly, it is not that I dislike him so much as that there's no real reason to actively like him and so I am continually surprised by how many people are such diehard fans of his wooden characters, clumsy dialogue, and bad pacing.
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You have some valid points but 99% of your posts in the thread are making GBS threads on him. Personally I like Sanderson because he hits the right balance between over spergy political details(GOT and the like)/magic abilities(WoT) without taking either way too far.
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Khizan posted:My problem with Sanderson is that he only has two things going for him. The first is strong worldbuilding, and the second is just sheer writing speed. Everything else he does is workmanlike at its best, if not outright mediocre. For me, I dig the worldbuilding, magic systems, and attention to detail. The pacing issues were legit problems but are mostly corrected with his more recent works (or at least smoothed into acceptable tolerances). The characters are still kinda flat and the dialogue tries too hard in places, but for a sweeping epic that reads easy they aren't bad enough to kill the experience. There are far better authors out there, to be sure, but Sanderson's fun and the worlds are interesting to watch unfold. E: VVV  E2: landed on my kindle app! Bye thread! OAquinas fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Jan 26, 2016 |
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Jan 26, 2016 03:57
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It's January 26th on the east coast, Amazon, where's my dang book!?  edit: there it is! Hallelujah! Cicero fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Jan 26, 2016 |
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Jan 26, 2016 06:10
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Rygar201 posted:
I agree 50%. The setting is great, but Sandersons plots and writing are getting more and more generic The world just doesn't come alive, it's just a (potentially very cool, sure) roleplaying setting where stuff pops up when the plot needs it. And I'm afraid it's like that because of rushing. Cosmere backstory just isn't enough to elevate from that airport fiction level. Words of Radiance was awesome, that's what he can do when he doesn't rush to keep up his robot reputation mallamp fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Jan 26, 2016 |
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Jan 26, 2016 11:22
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That was...interesting. Not nearly the amount of cross-cosmere influence than I expected. Best way to describe it is like Mistborn meets Fury Road. It does seem more like Sanderson was just having fun with this one rather than doing a serious effort.
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I think I've said it before, but Sanderson = Marvel movies for me. Regular updates, crossover items, and consistently entertaining.
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I wonder who is writing the Ars Arcanum in-universe. The comments have become a lot more personal ("has been of specific interest to me lately"), so who is this person collecting information about the various magic systems in the Cosmere, and what do they intend to do with this knowledge? The book is super exciting to read, I'm halfway through. At least it was very easy to spot Hoid this time. I notice that once again the symbols for the metals are acting as chapter images. I can't be bothered to learn them, but I wonder if there are hidden clues in these symbols.
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Hoid: Aside from the "I AM HERE AND GUZZLING OLD SPICE LIKE A CRAZY MANS" cameo, he also has another one in the broadsheet story (where he tries to do his storytelling schtick and gets ignored) The Ars: The writer for ALL the cosmere books ars arcanum is a lady(?) called Khriss. We actually meet her for the first time in this book. (3 guesses where!)
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Hoooooo boy, this possibly very important Stormlight Archive character is from Scadrial?! Talking about Iyatil! Uh, I have to think about the implications of this.OAquinas posted:Hoid: Aside from the "I AM HERE AND GUZZLING OLD SPICE LIKE A CRAZY MANS" cameo, he also has another one in the broadsheet story (where he tries to do his storytelling schtick and gets ignored) No three guesses needed, after reading your post it became very obvious.
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Not really a spoiler, but Bands seems to have way more jokes about boobs, dicks, and lesbians than typical Sanderson, which is to say there are more than zero.
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Just finished the book. I enjoyed it, although I didn't really feel like it was as Cosmere-important as it was hyped. That epilogue, though. January 30th can't get here fast enough.
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Officially placing my bet that Trell is an ancient space computer, I am prepared to collect my winnings in 15 years.
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MildShow posted:That epilogue, though. January 30th can't get here fast enough. Why wait? It's already out, too. Kelsier, you magnificent bastard.
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Jan 27, 2016 10:00
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I only just noticed the pun on wax and wayne. I am smrt. Go me.
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So, from the last chapter of Bands of Mourning, am I supposed to think that Kelsier somehow hijacked the Lord Ruler's body? Because if so, holy poo poo! The other book is out already? I don't know if I can spend another night with little sleep reading Sanderson books, how long is it? If it's also 350 pages long then I will have to wait until tomorrow to read it. There's no way I could stop once I've started it, and I really need to sleep tonight. Torrannor fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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Jan 27, 2016 11:25
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I'm so salty that Amazon isn't selling Secret History yet And it won't be on Google Play either!
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Torrannor posted:So, from the last chapter of Bands of Mourning, am I supposed to think that Kelsier somehow hijacked the Lord Ruler's body? Because if so, holy poo poo! No, you're supposed to think it was Kelsier all along. I can't think of anyone else who's gonna have Hathsin scars.
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broken clock opsec posted:No, you're supposed to think it was Kelsier all along. I can't think of anyone else who's gonna have Hathsin scars. Hold up, because I think you just blew my mind. You're saying that not only was Kelsier acting as Lord Ruler in the south, but he always *was* Lord Ruler? Because if that's true, I'm going to have to go through the first book again to see if I can pick up the clues to that. I mean, I suppose it could be that the one time they're in the narrative together *one* of them was a kandra, but... god drat.
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flosofl posted:Hold up, because I think you just blew my mind. You're saying that not only was Kelsier acting as Lord Ruler in the south, but he always *was* Lord Ruler? Because if that's true, I'm going to have to go through the first book again to see if I can pick up the clues to that. I mean, I suppose it could be that the one time they're in the narrative together *one* of them was a kandra, but... god drat. No, it was just Kelsier in the southern hemisphere all along. Those people never claimed him to be Lord Ruler, Wax's party just jumped to that assumption automatically because whoever it was had access to both full mistborn and full feruchemy. I don't know why Kelsier would have had a re-created body with his Hathsin scars, and then pounded a spike through an eye, but there it is, I suppose I'll find out in 3? days. Kelsier's even had POV in the original trilogy, especially leading up to him getting killed, so it literally couldn't be the kandra thing. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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We also don't know how Kelsier became a Ferruchemist, or indeed, if he is one. More data is needed, hah
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Rygar201 posted:We also don't know how Kelsier became a Ferruchemist, or indeed, if he is one. More data is needed, hah He grabbed Ascendance powers between Preservation's death and Vin's Ascendance from the Spirit Realm.
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broken clock opsec posted:No, it was just Kelsier in the southern hemisphere all along. Those people never claimed him to be Lord Ruler, Wax's party just jumped to that assumption automatically because whoever it was had access to both full mistborn and full feruchemy. I don't know why Kelsier would have had a re-created body with his Hathsin scars, and then pounded a spike through an eye, but there it is, I suppose I'll find out in 3? days. Ah yes, that makes more sense. I understood that he was supposed to be the southern "Lord Ruler" all along. That was after all the first time he came to them. But I somehow thought that he did it in Rashek's body, which confused me because that became incredibly old and was probably unusable. But I wonder where Kelsier would get his own body back. OreSeur ate his corpse to impersonate him! There's still something missing.
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Torrannor posted:Ah yes, that makes more sense. I understood that he was supposed to be the southern "Lord Ruler" all along. That was after all the first time he came to them. But I somehow thought that he did it in Rashek's body, which confused me because that became incredibly old and was probably unusable. But I wonder where Kelsier would get his own body back. OreSeur ate his corpse to impersonate him! There's still something missing. Not out of the question. Sazed/Harmony tried to bring Vin and Elend back at the end of Hero of Ages, recreated their bodies and everything, but couldn't quite figure it out right at that moment inbetween you know actually re-making and saving the world, but we can take as given Kelsier might've done it while he had the power to.
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It makes sense from a Sanderson-style mechanic POV-- Kelsier's scars are a part of his identity as the Survivor, so they're probably carried over into his Cognitive aspect--or at least something he'd retain coming back. When he seized Preservation, he could recreate his own body, and since he was the one doing it he could populate it with his own "soul" as it were--he didn't have to secure the souls of his friends or convince them to come back (as would be the case of Sazed trying to rez Vin and Elend). The spike is interesting though. In this timeline where Kel could make the body, Ruin was still very much At Large, and a hemalurgic spike would be a bad idea. Really need Amazon to unfuck itself and get that novella available...
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Just finished Secret History, and it seems like Spook was able to see Kelsier's spirit and talk with him using a spike earring like Vin's (after Harmony comes into being), and he and Kelsier decide to start experimenting with inquisitor spikes, but no mention how they recreate his body. Maybe Harmony helped them? It didn't actually show Kelsier heading south, which was kind of disappointing.
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Jan 27, 2016 18:50
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Narmi posted:Just finished Secret History, and it seems like Spook was able to see Kelsier's spirit and talk with him using a spike earring like Vin's (after Harmony comes into being), and he and Kelsier decide to start experimenting with inquisitor spikes, but no mention how they recreate his body. Maybe Harmony helped them? It didn't actually show Kelsier heading south, which was kind of disappointing. Some kind of Identity thing with the spear the Lord Ruler killed him with? Would explain the spike in his eye. The body would've been someone else's, Kelsier takes it over due to the spike. Still haven't read Secret History due to Amazon, but yeah, just tossing things out there. e: I think someone actually posted that spear idea in this thread awhile back when Brandon mentioned Identity as one of the metal powers. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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MildShow posted:Just finished the book. I enjoyed it, although I didn't really feel like it was as Cosmere-important as it was hyped. I've just finished the Secret History, and it basically contains more direct Cosmere information than all other Cosmere books combined. If you have your copy of Elantris, go to the glossary and look up they symbol Kelsier describes. It's Ire, the name of the Elantrian organization, and means time/age. Interesting that they formed this organization after restoring the city. I assume they wanted to bring a non-shattered shard back to their world to replace Devotion? I'm also not really comfortable with what Spook and Kelsier are doing. It seems the survival of hemalurgy was largely Kelsier's fault. And Spook most likely used Atium compounding to live so much longer than normal humans. Regarding Bands of Mourning (and Stormlight Archive), there's some interesting facts about spiritual identity there. Especially the Bands themselves are fascinating, in that they make anybody a full allomancer. That's actually very similar to the Honorblades of the Heralds, who make anybody a surgebinder of the appropriate order. I bet that you could use the Bands of Mourning without depleting them if you were standing in a highstorm on Roshar.
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Torrannor posted:I've just finished the Secret History, and it basically contains more direct Cosmere information than all other Cosmere books combined. In terms of depletion Highstorms provide "investiture" which powers/enables use of "magic." So you wouldn't deplete the nicrosil feruchemic charge, and might be able to power the Allomantic abilities directly. The Feruchemical abilities though are different in that they're stored attributes, not direct powers--but so long as you could "power" the bracers you could refill the metalminds normally.
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