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They said the words when they were facing off against the professional mercenaries who wouldn't let them onto their ship and the firefight breaks out, but they didn't explicitly say that's what CPM stands for. I agree, it's an awkward place to end the season, but I'm too busy admiring the adaptation in most other respects to care. They needed thirteen episodes, but they weren't given the budget for it, so they're caught between the amount of time they have and the events of the novel that they have to cover. Plus, Chrisjen wasn't even in the first book at all; that's pretty much all additional material. I think it's wise to bring her in from the beginning in other respects, so I think it's worth the 'narrative budget' that's spent on it, as General Battuta of this parish would put it.
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Feb 3, 2016 08:44
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Wow, could they have reused any more footage in that first half?
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Feb 3, 2016 08:57
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First time I've ever posted in TV iv I think. Just posing to say this is one of the best shows TV ever gave us.
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Feb 3, 2016 09:26
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That was a great season finale, although it really feels more like a mid-season break.
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Feb 3, 2016 10:53
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Milky Moor posted:That was a great season finale, although it really feels more like a mid-season break. I agree with this. Still nice that Syfy has a non sharknado based show.
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Feb 3, 2016 10:55
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Also, I always like Francois Chau and he's a good choice to play Jules Mao. He's Doctor Shen from X-Com, for all of you into games.
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Feb 3, 2016 10:58
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This show absolutely owns and I hope the second series doesn't have its budget slashed. As someone who hasn't read the books and is now avoiding doing so to not spoil anything, the whole universe made sense. I felt like ten episodes was fine, other than maybe the start of the ninth episode it was never flabby. Maybe helped the pacing that apparently they didn't get the budget to do a full thirteen.
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Still watching the finale but I gotta say I felt the show did a decent job with the Miller->Julie weird infatuation thing despite not having the luxury of delving into his internal monologues, it's always been one of the most emotionally powerful bits in the books, the way he gets so completely attached to this woman he's never met and I felt the show makes you feel bad for both of them. It's good. Also, Miller is just so absolutely charismatic and badass in the show it really screws with my perception of the character. I always pictured him as this mopey sad loser but now he's pretty much my favorite character.
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Feb 3, 2016 13:41
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Mons Hubris posted:I haven't read the books so I gotta know, is this going to turn into Walking Dead in space? The show deliberately changed aspects of the Protomolecule's effects to avoid looking like another Zombie show.
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Feb 3, 2016 14:54
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Milky Moor posted:That was a great season finale, although it really feels more like a mid-season break. It did end mid novel. gohmak fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Kay, so concerning the discussion from earlier (spoilers about the mysterious bio-weapon thingy)I can understand why they chose to avoid the vomit zombies mostly for aesthetic reasons but I felt like the alternative they came up with was much less satisfying, for starters it was a lot less intense and horrific, the vomit zombies were an immediate danger to our protagonists and they came off as truly gruesome. It is also a lot less mysterious and satisfying from a sci-fi\speculative perspective, the protomolecule in the novels is not intelligent, it is basically an engineered simulacrum of a life form that has a very specific and complicated purpose but achieves it by brute force and hyperfast evolution, the zombies made sense because it was the protomolecule hijacking the host bodies and using them to rapidly increase its biomass and start doing its poo poo, it didn't go about any of it intelligently. Though I guess it can be argued that once the protomolecule 'metabolized' Julie it had access to her mental faculties so it's also sensible for it to go about its business in a semi-intelligent manner. idk. Still, I didn't love the portrayal but it was definitely good enough. The holden-miller chemistry in the finale was great, Miller was ice-cold and awesome, Amos too was cool. All in all I think it was a great first season. emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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I really liked it but I think skimming the wiki actually helped. I think they could've had a little more 'showing.'
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Feb 3, 2016 15:04
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My absolutely favorite scene of this whole series is Miller playing OPA rebel rouser to spark the shootout between security thugs and mercenaries
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Feb 3, 2016 15:06
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gohmak posted:My absolutely favorite scene of this whole series is Miller playing OPA rebel rouser to spark the shootout between security thugs and mercenaries Yeah, Belterspeak is just awesome. Also as soon as the cop guy turned his back on Amos I went "lol nice seeing you moron" I feel you really need to read the books to fully enjoy it - you get the best parts, better characterization and scenes in the show (not to slam on the writers but everyone just has the same voice and presence in the books for me), and all the background exposition you need. They kinda let me down on it mostly but I felt the last scene nailed the (book, not tv spoilers meaning spoilers ahead of TV don't read this if you haven't read the books) HOLYFUCK ALIENS part of the books. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Still watching the finale but I gotta say I felt the show did a decent job with the Miller->Julie weird infatuation thing despite not having the luxury of delving into his internal monologues, it's always been one of the most emotionally powerful bits in the books, the way he gets so completely attached to this woman he's never met and I felt the show makes you feel bad for both of them. It's good. Thomas Jane owned in the role
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Feb 3, 2016 16:38
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Can someone who understands physics good explain this to me: wouldn't detonating a nuclear bomb in the vacuum of space result in a blast wave that expanded constantly outwards without diminishing in power because there's nothing in space providing resistance against its energy? So basically the wave from the nuke that destroyed the Canterbury would have reached Julie on the asteroid and hit it with the exact same force as it did to the Canterbury rather than making the camera shake a bit? Or does the wave lose energy in its expansion?
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Feb 3, 2016 18:54
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Eau de MacGowan posted:Can someone who understands physics good explain this to me: wouldn't detonating a nuclear bomb in the vacuum of space result in a blast wave that expanded constantly outwards without diminishing in power because there's nothing in space providing resistance against its energy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law It doesn't technically diminish in power but since the 'surface area' of the blast wave keeps expanding it will very soon reach the point where the energy applied per square centimeter is negligible.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law That makes sense, thank you.
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Eau de MacGowan posted:Can someone who understands physics good explain this to me: wouldn't detonating a nuclear bomb in the vacuum of space result in a blast wave that expanded constantly outwards without diminishing in power because there's nothing in space providing resistance against its energy? So basically the wave from the nuke that destroyed the Canterbury would have reached Julie on the asteroid and hit it with the exact same force as it did to the Canterbury rather than making the camera shake a bit? Or does the wave lose energy in its expansion? Space is a vacuum. The nuke would transmit almost no concussive force, because there is no medium in which to conduct a pressure wave as there is in water or air. It would, however, put out a shitload of heat, prompt radiation, and debris (from the wreckage of the Cant, which is what gave Our Heroes problems during their escape). As the poster above noted, radiant energy follows an inverse-square law. She was far enough that the nuke's thermal effects didn't damage the ship, and their ships need to be heavily shielded against radiation in order to human survive out there in the first place. Arguably the Cant should not have exploded in the way it did; it might be more accurate for it to be kinda half-melted, and have a few holes blow outward as the ship's internal atmosphere undergoes thermal expansion. But the nuke could have set off volatiles (chemical fuels for RCS thrusters, for example, or some supercritical reaction in the Canterbury's own drive). But it's hard to say, because nobody's ever nuked a spaceship IRL.
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FWIW, this lack of concussive force is why, in a lot of written science fiction, nuclear bombs are usually used to power single-use gamma-ray lasers, which direct all that energy into a focused point, and will most assuredly kill your target dead if the beam is aimed correctly. (Again, a purely theoretical application, as no one has built a bomb-pumped graser yet.)
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Kesper North posted:FWIW, this lack of concussive force is why, in a lot of written science fiction, nuclear bombs are usually used to power single-use gamma-ray lasers, which direct all that energy into a focused point, and will most assuredly kill your target dead if the beam is aimed correctly. (Again, a purely theoretical application, as no one has built a bomb-pumped graser yet.) I love how you say yet, because we will do that poo poo the second technology allows for it. :hoomans:
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gohmak posted:The show deliberately changed aspects of the Protomolecule's effects to avoid looking like another Zombie show. I've read the first book and I thought it was a great finale (though they did leave it in a weird place), the zombie part of the book was by far my least favourite part. It's so loving overdone and I don't think they did anything particularly interesting with it. Everything kicked rear end in these two episodes, I have zero issues with anything they changed, Miller was so loving good.
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I didn't care for Miller in the books. Miller in the show was incredible. I thought it was a great first season and I really hope it builds up some word of mouth and has a strong season 2.
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Just finised episode 9 holy poo poo. This is probably my favorite show now.
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karrethuun posted:I didn't care for Miller in the books. Miller in the show was incredible. I thought it was a great first season and I really hope it builds up some word of mouth and has a strong season 2. Season 2 is slated for Q1 2017, so that's quite a wait. drat good first season.
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Seeing the protomolecule do the phantom thing was kinda neat but I was bracing myself the whole hour for a total horror show. Awkward last few minutes, with the exception of Amos and "ya'll look like poo poo" but overall I liked it.
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Hakkesshu posted:I've read the first book and I thought it was a great finale (though they did leave it in a weird place), the zombie part of the book was by far my least favourite part. It's so loving overdone and I don't think they did anything particularly interesting with it. Everything kicked rear end in these two episodes, I have zero issues with anything they changed, Miller was so loving good. Yeah when I first heard they were doing this show I thought it would be a quick run up to 4-6 episodes of generic zombie adventure and I'm glad they went the way they did. Not sure why Miller got so much more hosed up by the radiation, though. That said the effects they did show [book spoiler] make the protomolecule stuff look a lot more obviously "alien" with the glowing and that tentacle at the end than "oh poo poo some scientists made something really hosed up but it's still of human origin" One thing that's interesting is that when I read the books I remember thinking "this feels like a TV show" but the actual TV show they've made out of it is much better than I was imagining. I like that they're not afraid to depart from the books, I think some of that might be because while the books are good they're not a longstanding classic of the genre. They've definitely made Miller a better character, I remember reading the books and occasionally thinking "ugh a Miller chapter."
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Tucked-In T-Shirt posted:Was spy-guy trying to get a clip of Holden saying he would kill him? I couldn't figure out that last scene.
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Feb 3, 2016 23:05
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Professor Shark posted:Example: I liked how Alex got more attention this episode and I like how the actor is portraying the juxtaposition of his Asian-Indian ancestry and the Martian Texan accent
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qirex posted:Yeah when I first heard they were doing this show I thought it would be a quick run up to 4-6 episodes of generic zombie adventure and I'm glad they went the way they did. Not sure why Miller got so much more hosed up by the radiation, though. That said the effects they did show [book spoiler] make the protomolecule stuff look a lot more obviously "alien" with the glowing and that tentacle at the end than "oh poo poo some scientists made something really hosed up but it's still of human origin" I still have some issues with things they changed for the show (mostly relating to character dynamics), but yeah comparatively this is a stronger season of sci-fi television than the book is as a piece of sci-fi writing. The Eros escape parts of the book in particular just drag on and on, and it was a much more memorable sequence on the show while not really losing anything significant in the transition. This whole season has been a killer start to the show, I really hope they don't drop the ball, because I definitely think this has the potential to far surpass Battlestar in the long run (if it hasn't already)
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Might as well ask in here -- anyone know if the audiobooks are good? Probably going to grab 'em all with audible credits to tide me over until next year.
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This was a really good season of TV.
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NmareBfly posted:Might as well ask in here -- anyone know if the audiobooks are good? Probably going to grab 'em all with audible credits to tide me over until next year. The audiobook of Leviathan was the version I listened to. It's good, wouldn't say the narrator stood out to me, but I enjoyed it.
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NmareBfly posted:Might as well ask in here -- anyone know if the audiobooks are good? Probably going to grab 'em all with audible credits to tide me over until next year. I've listened to all of them at least twice now. The guy doing the narration is no Steven Pacey, but no one is. They're great, in my opinion, he's consistent on the characters, and I'm going back to the beginning to Leviathan tomorrow to run through them again.
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karrethuun posted:I didn't care for Miller in the books. Miller in the show was incredible. I thought it was a great first season and I really hope it builds up some word of mouth and has a strong season 2. Yeah Miller's my favorite character, the last two episodes really cemented that. I didn't have a problem with the season ending where it did, lots of cliffhanger hooks while also explaining a lot of what's been going on, who the bad guys are, etc. It's a subtle thing too, but I feel like we're inclined to expect a break when we see characters in really bad shape like Miller and Holden. Like, of course we need to wait for another season, those guys are practically dead! More than anything related to the protomolecule stuff or where they decided to leave off, I was bugged that we never saw Miller or Holden tell anyone they have vicious radiation poisoning. Obviously they explain what's up offscreen, but I think a quick thing of Amos helping them toward their seats and Holden saying they have radiation poisoning on the way, followed by Amos kind of hustling a bit more or changing his demeanor, would've been nice.
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NowonSA posted:Yeah Miller's my favorite character, the last two episodes really cemented that. I didn't have a problem with the season ending where it did, lots of cliffhanger hooks while also explaining a lot of what's been going on, who the bad guys are, etc. It's a subtle thing too, but I feel like we're inclined to expect a break when we see characters in really bad shape like Miller and Holden. Like, of course we need to wait for another season, those guys are practically dead! my favorite quote of the episode in that regard was Amos remarking that their med device or whatever kept trying to switch to hospice mode. Even when Amos is hustling his demeanor doesn't really change though.
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I'm glad that the whole episode really went into the whole body horror for what it was like getting infected and transformed by the infection.
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NowonSA posted:Yeah Miller's my favorite character, the last two episodes really cemented that. I didn't have a problem with the season ending where it did, lots of cliffhanger hooks while also explaining a lot of what's been going on, who the bad guys are, etc. It's a subtle thing too, but I feel like we're inclined to expect a break when we see characters in really bad shape like Miller and Holden. Like, of course we need to wait for another season, those guys are practically dead! The arm-band auto-docs they had on them were showing 3 green icons and the last was a red radiation symbol. You can only see it on Holden's and there's no real attention drawn to it for the brief time it's on screen, just Naomi fiddling with the settings and getting it seated. I imagine the bands are taking care of the diagnosis and treatment. It's one of the things I love about the show. Not only is it VERY strong on the "show don't tell" ethos, it's also got "pay loving attention to everything because I'm not holding your hand" going on as well.
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karrethuun posted:my favorite quote of the episode in that regard was Amos remarking that their med device or whatever kept trying to switch to hospice mode. Even when Amos is hustling his demeanor doesn't really change though. Yeah I loved that, too.
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