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computer toucher posted:sometimes asking is a way to learn instead of a show of ignorance. a man should also be prepared to be sufficient unto himself
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:someone asked noisebridge-discuss for help installing MySQL and the first three responses were "don't use MySQL, use [x] instead" That's a recurring pattern that well predates the World Wide Web. One of the first things I posted on the Internet was a simple question about Amiga 500s (because mine didn't come with a manual) on some newsgroup and all the answers were "You should get another kind of Amiga".
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SolTerrasa posted:ugh it's not called a "shield" it's a "daughterboard", why are people using different words for things than the ones I used to use shield is a stupid name tho, is there a reason why they'äre calling them shields?
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Jerry Cotton posted:That's a recurring pattern that well predates the World Wide Web. One of the first things I posted on the Internet was a simple question about Amiga 500s (because mine didn't come with a manual) on some newsgroup and all the answers were "You should get another kind of Amiga". newsgroups were a nest of grognards though long live endless September
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FrozenVent posted:newsgroups were a nest of grognards though "were" those people are still there, desperately trying to pretend usenet isn't 99% warez and child porn
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fwiw i see this sort of learned helplessness in my students ("help I tried to install x and it didn't work" "what did you try and what didn't work?" "I downloaded the thing and tried to run it and it didn't work and I don't understand what's going on just fix it!") and honestly a lot of time the greater kindness is to try and discover what they actually want to do and help them do that
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uncurable mlady posted:fwiw i see this sort of learned helplessness in my students ("help I tried to install x and it didn't work" "what did you try and what didn't work?" "I downloaded the thing and tried to run it and it didn't work and I don't understand what's going on just fix it!") and honestly a lot of time the greater kindness is to try and discover what they actually want to do and help them do that that's called the X/Y problem, as in "they wanted to do X but mistakenly thought they needed to do Y to accomplish it and were seeking out help for that"
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Jerry Cotton posted:That's a recurring pattern that well predates the World Wide Web. One of the first things I posted on the Internet was a simple question about Amiga 500s (because mine didn't come with a manual) on some newsgroup and all the answers were "You should get another kind of Amiga". you should have asked Amiga Power. you wouldn't have received any helpful advice in reply but they would have been funny at least.
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Jerry Cotton posted:shield is a stupid name tho, is there a reason why they'äre calling them shields? because they sit on top of the arduino board and cover it up. it's no better or worse a metaphor than motherboard/daughtercard except it's not sexist BattleMaster posted:that's called the X/Y problem, as in "they wanted to do X but mistakenly thought they needed to do Y to accomplish it and were seeking out help for that" this is a valid thing, but on the internet it usually takes the form "i want to do x" "x will accomplish what you want to do, but i don't like x for an irrelevant reason, so i refuse to explain x which is for stupid people. instead, here's a stack overflow page about y"
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Feb 3, 2016 17:49
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angry_keebler posted:a man should also be prepared to be sufficient unto himself Thus sayeth Epictetus, an actually lame dude who spent his life as a slave to Nero's secretary. He is the Beta male.
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Jerry Cotton posted:That's a recurring pattern that well predates the World Wide Web. One of the first things I posted on the Internet was a simple question about Amiga 500s (because mine didn't come with a manual) on some newsgroup and all the answers were "You should get another kind of Amiga". they were telling you to go gently caress yourself
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fishmech posted:they were telling you to go gently caress yourself another thing that mongodb excels at
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Sagebrush posted:it's no better or worse a metaphor than motherboard/daughtercard except it's not sexist ...........what?
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It's 2026, the alien mothership emerges on the horizon, Twotter explodes on people raving how it's not a mothership because it's wrong to assume all women are mothers while aliens decimate us to a fine, genderless dust.
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Sometimes you are literally asking about X but people go all "well what are you trying to do because I'm shure there's a better wayyyy I'm literally just trying to do X
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osirisisdead posted:Thus sayeth Epictetus, an actually lame dude who spent his life as a slave to Nero's secretary. He is the Beta male. i have a book of epictetus quotes and his status as the mediocre man of greek philosophy is truly undeniable. it's really funny to read.
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Mister Sinewave posted:Sometimes you are literally asking about X but people go all "well what are you trying to do because I'm shure there's a better wayyyy yeah. there are some things where the general consensus is "well, 95% of the time you shouldn't be using that because it's the wrong way to accomplish most things", and its loving miserable to be the 5% who actually needs to use it it's even worse if you're working with something that's still evolving or changing, because the same people shouting you down with worthless advice are also pushing very hard for the thing you're trying to use to be completely hobbled in the next release
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FrozenVent posted:newsgroups were a nest of grognards though please warren of grognards
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:you should have asked Amiga Power. you wouldn't have received any helpful advice in reply but they would have been funny at least. I don't know him. Sagebrush posted:because they sit on top of the arduino board and cover it up. it's no better or worse a metaphor than motherboard/daughtercard except it's not sexist actually it's an idiotic term because if i hear shield in relation to electronics i first assume it's... you know, something that shields. a metal plate basically. why didn't call them TOP THINGS?
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motherboard/daughterboard is a pretty crappy metaphor but the sexism isn't really that big of a deal imo master/slave otoh, especially when most implementations don't do anything like their namesake...
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Jerry Cotton posted:I don't know him. or "add-on boards"
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Sagebrush posted:this is a valid thing, but on the internet it usually takes the form ive seen far more genuine x/y problems instead of this, but I assume you've still got that arduino chip on your shoulder
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*two hackers conversing in Noisebridge* "You know those things... those things you put on Arduinos what are they called?" "You mean poop?"
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minivanmegafun posted:motherboard/daughterboard is a pretty crappy metaphor but the sexism isn't really that big of a deal imo but if anyone proposes changing master/slave to something equally if not more fitting like "primary/secondary", everyone throws a fit about political correctness run amok
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CommunistPancake posted:but if anyone proposes changing master/slave to something equally if not more fitting like "primary/secondary", everyone throws a fit about political correctness run amok bluetooth's moved to client/server and central/peripheral which is fine and dandy until the peripheral is the GATT server
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CommunistPancake posted:but if anyone proposes changing master/slave to something equally if not more fitting like "primary/secondary", everyone throws a fit about political correctness run amok
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Jerry Cotton posted:*two hackers conversing in Noisebridge* "Yeah, that poop. Did you know it's not WEB SCALE?" I guess I'm a grognard because I'm not excited about people who decide that they need to give new names to things because reasons? Like in my day we just said "bathroom" now they call it a "maker space", WTF?
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JawnV6 posted:bluetooth's moved to client/server and central/peripheral which is fine and dandy until the peripheral is the GATT server lol if you don't systematically subjugate all bluetooth devices
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Buttcoin purse posted:"Yeah, that poop. Did you know it's not WEB SCALE?" i don't drink so i'm just a nard e: also the reason is purely: marketing
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Buttcoin purse posted:I guess I'm a grognard because I'm not excited about people who decide that they need to give new names to things because reasons? Like in my day we just said "bathroom" now they call it a "maker space", WTF? lol
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infernal machines posted:lol if you don't systematically exterminate all bluetooth devices
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someone installed a speaker that periodically begs for donations in the space now this will end well
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motherboard is super sexist. really an example of misandry taken to the next level. you never hear about fatherboards
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deadbeat dadboards
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:deadbeat dadboards yospos parenting thread title found
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more like smotherboard!
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Tanith posted:yospos parenting thread title found should i open with the "dad drunk in his room with a shotgun" story, or the "spent over $10k on trying to build a scale steam engine" story, or the "told his son he was tempted to shoot the neighbor" story, or maybe the "hosed up his dead mom's estate so bad he almost went to jail" story edit: or the "at his mother's funeral he cold ignored his only son" story
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yompos - your old man's a piece of poo poo
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tbh spending 10k to build a steam engine is yospos as gently caress.
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