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Tesseraction posted:And who am I to vote against my natural inclination because doing so 'might' save other people from the consequences of their own vote? I can't parse this sentence at all, sorry.
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big scary monsters posted:I can't parse this sentence at all, sorry. "And (who am I to vote against my natural inclination)[1] because doing so[2] 'might' save other people[3] from the consequences of their own vote?[4]" [1] voting to leave [2] voting stay [3] the British public [4] who voted to leave Basically, a lot of people in this thread suggest that voting to leave will gently caress over the British people. My point is that if that's what they vote for then I don't see a reason to ignore my desire - to leave - because they might get hosed over. They are (theoretically) happy to vote for leaving, perhaps for reasons we don't agree with or could easily disprove. But either we live in a democracy and people are free to vote against their rational interests, or you should be preparing for revolution to save the moronic masses from themselves.
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I think most people ITT would be in favor of things to protect people from their own idiocy, such as why I keep complaining about our constitution. Also, if you recognize that someone is hurting themselves but don't understand that they are, that does not exculpate you from your obligation to stop them. There is a distinction between respecting someone's informed choice and recognising that they don't really have the facility to choose.
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I'm a British person and I'd quite like to not get hosed over.
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Feb 7, 2016 21:51
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OwlFancier posted:I think most people ITT would be in favor of things to protect people from their own idiocy, such as why I keep complaining about our constitution. That is fair to a point: how many people can you realistically hold back from self-destruction? At some point you've outweighed your resources regarding the self-destruction. Currently we have a country where the plurality of the voting public want to support a strangulation of the poorest of us. I wouldn't say I'm accelerationist so much as figuring that we're loving doomed regardless, I'd rather vote with my conscience not on some wing of a dream that voting to stay in the EU will solve all my problems.
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Feb 7, 2016 21:55
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OwlFancier posted:hail satan
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Tesseraction posted:That is fair to a point: how many people can you realistically hold back from self-destruction? At some point you've outweighed your resources regarding the self-destruction. Currently we have a country where the plurality of the voting public want to support a strangulation of the poorest of us. I wouldn't say I'm accelerationist so much as figuring that we're loving doomed regardless, I'd rather vote with my conscience not on some wing of a dream that voting to stay in the EU will solve all my problems. Well yes philosophically that does hold but the fact remains that if we leave the EU we'll be worse off.
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Dabir posted:Well yes philosophically that does hold but the fact remains that if we leave the EU we'll be worse off. It's what the voting public wanted.
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Feb 7, 2016 22:02
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Tesseraction posted:It's what the voting public wanted.
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Feb 7, 2016 22:11
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forkboy84 posted:That's a very liberal attitude comrade. I believe in a people's republic, comrade. Either subjugate for their own good or accept democracy for your own good.
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Feb 7, 2016 22:14
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Dabir posted:Well yes philosophically that does hold but the fact remains that if we leave the EU we'll be worse off. Does having a bunch of large businesses and banks be worse off matter if they weren't going to share any of their profits with the rest of us anyway? Britain would have enough wealth to end austerity and poverty inside or outside the EU, the problem in both cases is who has it.
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Tesseraction posted:That is fair to a point: how many people can you realistically hold back from self-destruction? At some point you've outweighed your resources regarding the self-destruction. Currently we have a country where the plurality of the voting public want to support a strangulation of the poorest of us. I wouldn't say I'm accelerationist so much as figuring that we're loving doomed regardless, I'd rather vote with my conscience not on some wing of a dream that voting to stay in the EU will solve all my problems. In the context of voting you can quite realistically vote for the most practically beneficial option rather than your conscience.
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Guavanaut posted:Who is 'we'? Do you think the UK would have as good food standards, work standards and human rights as it does if it wasn't part of the EU?
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Feb 7, 2016 22:27
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I'll be voting to remain in the EU.
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Fans posted:Do you think the UK would have as good food standards, work standards and human rights as it does if it wasn't part of the EU? I'm prepared to admit that the UK may do something really stupid though. Wasn't the entire horse meat thing due to poor shipment tracking between EU countries?
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Pissflaps posted:I'll be voting to remain in the EU. After this post, I'm now conflicted. Do I trust myself and remain true, or do I accept that Pissflaps is always wrong, and vote to Leave?
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hookerbot 5000 posted:I meant to say then forgot - might be good to add this to the OP for anyone who wants to donate in memory of Fluo. okay who's the World's Biggest Goon that put some impenetrable reference to "fail AIDS" on a memorial page visible by the guy's family, jesus christ
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mehall posted:After this post, I'm now conflicted. In this instance, assume he's right for the wrong reasons.
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mehall posted:After this post, I'm now conflicted.
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You can get analogue 24 hour clocks.
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Angepain posted:okay who's the World's Biggest Goon that put some impenetrable reference to "fail AIDS" on a memorial page visible by the guy's family, jesus christ Some goon called Enjoy I guess, he posted the same thing in the old UKMT. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3758308&pagenumber=173&perpage=40#post455667610 (last post on the page if I've hosed up the link).
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Is it OK that I still have no idea whatsoever whether staying or leaving is the better option? The only thing I'm sure of is that our science funding gets hosed by leaving, so that probably swings my vote, there really isn't anything else I'm sure of 
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Pissflaps posted:You can get analogue 24 hour clocks. Good to know. I have never seen one before.
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There's roughly three options for any European country these days: EU membership (or candidateship), EEA membership, or membership of neither. Norway have said that EEA membership wouldn't be good for Britain (and a lot of European law has to be implemented by Norway to remain in the EEA). And membership of neither requires a lot of negotiating with an EU that probably would not be as willing to deal with our poo poo.
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Feb 7, 2016 23:15
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forkboy84 posted:Good to know. I have never seen one before.  
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mehall posted:After this post, I'm now conflicted. If he's always wrong, then his post is a lie, and he'll be voting to Leave. So you can safely vote to stay without risking pissflap-by-association.
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You are trapped inside Neoliberalism. There are two ways to vote in the EU referendum, one of which will bring about a glorious socialist utopia, and the other of which will induce a thousand-year reign of the capitalist class over the working man. There are two goons guarding the ballot box, both of which know the correct opinion about everything, or at least think they do because they saw an unsourced graph on Facebook. One of the goons is always trolling. The other always posts what they actually believe as they haven't yet been ground down into total cynicism by merciless shitshow of politics on the internet. As you have the same ability to detect a troll as the rest of the UK thread, you have no idea which one is which. You will be able to ask one of them one question before they start squabbling amongst themselves for ten pages about Jeremy Corbyn's Twitter account. What do you ask the goons to determine the correct way out of modern capitalism?
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"If I ask the other goon which way to vote, what would they say?" The answer in both cases is a thread derail about crisps.
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I only post what I actually believe. I am ready to field your questions.
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Guavanaut posted:"If I ask the other goon which way to vote, what would they say?" Well the way to vote in solidarity with goons is to stay so that one guy ITT can continue to make bank diverting money away from refugees and toward wealthy land owners in france
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The latest Corbyn related non-story is apparently that a man in his 20s goes on dates with women.  http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02/07/seb-corbyn-tinder-story_n_9182946.html
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I'll never understand why these things always put midnight at the top and midday at the bottom. If you do it the other way up it's like the hour hand is always roughly pointing to the physical location of the sun, which is really neat.
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Presumably in that case because submariners don't see much of the sun. That's a good idea in general though.
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Guavanaut posted:The latest Corbyn related non-story is apparently that a man in his 20s goes on dates with women. Love the way they repeat the daft non-story about a young man on Tindr but present it as a different non-story about Owen Jones saying something on Twitter.
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Guavanaut posted:The latest Corbyn related non-story is apparently that a man in his 20s goes on dates with women. Oh for gently caress's sake.
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Guavanaut posted:The latest Corbyn related non-story is apparently that a man in his 20s goes on dates with women. Jeremy 'The Sexpot Trot' Corbyn.
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quote:The Sunday Times published a story headlined 'Cor! Corbyn Jr is Tinder lothario' which detailed how the 25-year-old's dating profile included a picture of him with three young females. Lad vote sewn up. Also this supports my theory that we'd lose nothing by smothering to death anyone who uses the word "females" as a synonym for "women".
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thespaceinvader posted:Is it OK that I still have no idea whatsoever whether staying or leaving is the better option? The only thing I'm sure of is that our science funding gets hosed by leaving, so that probably swings my vote, there really isn't anything else I'm sure of Imagine what the Tories want to do, multiply that by about a thousand, and that's why we should stay in the EU.
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