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I wonder when the S6 trailer is going to drop. It was January 30 last year but I know that the air date is a little later this year. Still though I wonder if they're a bit behind in production given that I'm sure the writing process was harder this year without much source material to draw on.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Whether Barristan dies or not he's already done much more in the books than he did in the show, leading the defense of Meereen and deposing of Hizdahr (against Dany's obvious wishes) are Big Things of the kind he's never done in the show, the duel against Hizdahr's pit-fighter body guard was likewise pretty freaking awesome. All that will now be performed by Gray Worm. He has a love interest you see, and is therefore more interesting of a character. Except for Hizdahr, since I think he's dead now in the show too.
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I'd rather see barristan with missandei grey worm is a lovely character to try to expand and we haven't seen barristan be all that bold yet e: or I guess it would be more correct to say that we never got to see barristan be very bold 
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Feb 9, 2016 21:24
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Solice Kirsk posted:All that will now be performed by Gray Worm. He has a love interest you see, and is therefore more interesting of a character. Except for Hizdahr, since I think he's dead now in the show too. Barristan dying like a dog only to be followed by Hizdhar (who was a... bad guy? good guy? who cares?)dying like a side character and supplanting them with Mysterious Baldy and The God Of Tits And Wine goes to show that we don't need to give a poo poo about Mereen; just the people in charge. Kinda like how a majority of the characters perpetuate.  Note: I like Varys & Tyrion as much as the next guy.
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Dany's ADWD pov is dull because it introduces like 5 new important characters and like 3 new factions and doesn't really help distinguish any of them. I do like the Meereeneese Blot theory that Barristan is actually being outwitted by the Shavepate in deposing a totally honest Hizdahr, but that sort of nuance is easily lost if you don't pay very close attention to the story (and why would you? None of these new characters really distinguish themselves.) Of course with Hizdahr being unceremoniously killed in the show, who the hell knows where that story goes.
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I'm guessing he's not the Harpy. The only problem is that there are a lack of viable people it could be since the show cut all those secondary characters. Maybe it really is Daario and he's one of the betrayals.
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Feb 10, 2016 00:35
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Show Hizdahr is a very tragic character, has his father murdered, forced into marriage with the woman who murdered his father who is also an insane despot who feeds innocent people to dragons, is publicly scorned and then humiliated by his wife's lover, gets murdered. the end. It also makes Dany's big ole marriage plan look ridiculous, the harpies didn't give half a groat about Hizoo, why would marrying him appease them in any way? At least in the books he is proactive about some of this poo poo and does manage to broker a peace deal with Yunkai and supposedly stop the murders by the sons of the harpy, in the show he's just some pit fighting mogul.
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Feb 10, 2016 00:35
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Book Hizdahr was a puppet of the Harpy (the Green Grace) who was actively trying to bring back slavery. Deposing him was the correct thing to do, regardless of how inept Barristan is at politics.
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Feb 10, 2016 00:44
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Do we know that the Green Grace (Gelato Galore?) wants to reinstall slavery? I thought she was just really shirty about Dany deciding to cruelly execute 163 aristocrats at random.
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Kajeesus posted:Do we know that the Green Grace (Gelato Galore?) wants to reinstall slavery? I thought she was just really shirty about Dany deciding to cruelly execute 163 aristocrats at random. Well as soon as the marriage happens Hizdahr starts putting people more loyal to him and the old nobility in places where Dany's more anti-slavery people had been before, and they had been pushing bringing back slavery in all but name anyway (see the "selling yourself back into slavery" deal). We've already seen that the Yunkai'i reinstalled slavery when she wasn't an immediate threat, so with every day that goes by there's more chance that Hizdahr/his cronies open the gates to the lovely Yunkai'i army, have a big purge of the remnants of Dany's group, and it's back to business as usual in Slaver's Bay.
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Feb 10, 2016 01:03
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The word "Shavepate" is the thing I hate most about ASOIAF. And I hate a lot.
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Feb 10, 2016 01:32
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Show Hizdahr is a very tragic character, has his father murdered, forced into marriage with the woman who murdered his father who is also an insane despot who feeds innocent people to dragons, is publicly scorned and then humiliated by his wife's lover, gets murdered. the end. Yeah, it's interesting how the show seems to give Daenerys the Tyrion treatment of making their goodness out to be unquestionable and sanding off most of the rough edges, but then Daenerys acts like Bowser or a Disney villain when it comes to Hizdahr.
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Feb 10, 2016 01:55
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I'm watching Season 1 again and Sam mentions that the reason the two rangers come back from the dead is that they were touched by White Walkers (its something he read in the Maester's book). Putting aside anything we think we know from the book, is there any chase Jon Snow actually comes back as some sort of Walker, at least at first? Maybe he gets killed again, burned and comes back after that?
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Feb 10, 2016 02:46
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tadashi posted:I'm watching Season 1 again and Sam mentions that the reason the two rangers come back from the dead is that they were touched by White Walkers (its something he read in the Maester's book). Putting aside anything we think we know from the book, is there any chase Jon Snow actually comes back as some sort of Walker, at least at first? Maybe he gets killed again, burned and comes back after that? Maybe he's going to be an IceAndFire Zombie.
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Feb 10, 2016 02:58
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Remember when the show trolled everyone by mentioning Benjen in the previews? That still remains funny.
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Within context of D&D... I suppose Jon Coldhands is a possibility. Or we get second life out of nowhere for safekeeping and Melisandre works her magic, with or without Ghost.
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Feb 10, 2016 04:00
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I hope death changes Jon a lot, a lot of stuff happens to and around Jon but he hasn't really changed that much so far.
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Feb 10, 2016 05:16
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He got laid.
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Kajeesus posted:The Adventures of Belwas and Whitebeard Barristan schooling the Son of the Titan or whoever with only a staff and then revealing himself was crazy awesome in the book. After last season I'm glad they never tried to do Belwas.
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Feb 10, 2016 06:46
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Ague Proof posted:Dany was only going to be introduced as a POV character in the second book. You were supposed to hear ominous news about a ruthless barbarian queen with dragons over the sea and the twist would be she's a conflicted teenage girl. All of her chapters from book 1 were released as a short story collection a long time ago. I wonder if he literally wrote her story like, totally unrelated to anything else that happened in book 1 because it would explain so much Beeez posted:It is pretty funny how Daenerys is more of a horny freak than any of the teenage boys whose POV we get. But I would argue Daenerys' motivations are still in question, she's really just as self-serving and covetous of glory/what's hers "by rights" as Stannis is in ACoK, but tons of casual fans love her and view her as one of the most implicitly good characters, including the writers of the show. Meanwhile, in the books Daenerys' whole ADwD story was about how she isn't content with peace at all, leading to her embracing her "fire and blood" conqueror heritage and desires. People clearly have very different interpretations of her. I think mine's pretty spot-on but I'm sure many would disagree with most of it. computer parts posted:It's because the first three books were basically "Act I" (I think this is literally true, and GRRM's original "book 1" in the trilogy covered about the same amount of events). At the end of Act I, you have everyone scattered about, the old order is blown up, and change is beginning to happen. In Act II, you react to the events of Act I, you get some development of the world, and then you start to roll forward towards the conclusion. In Act III you build up again, reach that conclusion, and finish. I like this explanation simply because it gives me hope for the later seasons  I actually still really like the show but any long running show runs out of steam eventually, especially if you're only doing 10 episodes a year. I think for a lot of casual watcher friends I have last year was the tipping point of them getting bored, they really need to start ramping up to the endgame
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Kevyn posted:The word "Shavepate" is the thing I hate most about ASOIAF. And I hate a lot. Yeah gently caress the names in this poo poo There are like fifty characters named Skahaz mo Naznak or some variation thereof, all of equally dubious import/relevance "Shavepate" is a really ugly, weird word to say. It's like the opposite of cellar door
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I thought the Shavepate (sorry) Skahaz was the only interesting character in Meereen, a ruthless bastard politican like Tywin only loyal to a character with some kind of morality. I also liked Roose back when I thought he was this creepy tyrant who nevertheless supported Robb so I'd be disappointed if Skahaz really was manipulating Barristan and had no real loyalty to anyone since it would just be the same thing again. But unfortunately that's probably the case. Meereen would probably read better if there was at least one likeable Ghiscari but everyone there's a slaver who eats puppy foetuses. GRRM's written some very memorable characters who are only given one line but I can't think of anyone like that from Meereen other than Skahaz who I think is interesting but only because he's not likeable. The narrativer is predisposed to make us dislike them (their names are deliberately confusing, weird and unpleasant to read like Tolkein's black tongue and that Harzoo thing is their world's version of a racist joke) and GRRM obviously hasn't put as much thought into them as Westeros so they're not as fun to read about. I get that it's to make us feel as alienated as Dany and think their culture should probably be destroyed and this is wrong but it reads like an orientalist white saviour story played straight so we have no indication that they're redeemable. I'm told the world book is based on fantastical travelogues like Sir John Mandeville's that paint a ridiculous stereotypical version of the rest of the world but in the main story Meereen really is like that. Is there a Westeros character as ridiculous and one-dimensional as the Yellow Whale? Beyond the Wall maybe. If the point is to pull the curtain aside and say "haha! Westeros is just as bad" it doesn't work because that's not really true. The Seven Kingdoms are bad and has people like the Mountain but it also has people like Davos and Ned. It's also probably a bad idea to add elements to your story which intentionally make them worse when you might take decades to get to the point. Harold Stassen posted:"Shavepate" is a really ugly, weird word to say. It's like the opposite of cellar door Incidentally two characters' names are based on that: Salladhor and Septon Cellador at the Wall. Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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Ague Proof posted:I thought the Shavepate (sorry) Skahaz was the only interesting character in Meereen, a ruthless bastard politican like Tywin only loyal to a character with some kind of morality. I also liked Roose back when I thought he was this creepy tyrant who nevertheless supported Robb so I'd be disappointed if Skahaz really was manipulating Barristan and had no real loyalty to anyone since it would just be the same thing again. But unfortunately that's probably the case. I dont get the cellar door reference...
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Feb 10, 2016 22:20
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Supposedly it's the most pleasant-sounding/pleasant-to-say two words in the English language.
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Wafflecopper posted:Supposedly it's the most pleasant-sounding/pleasant-to-say two words in the English language. according to who? how is that even possibly determined?
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TommyGun85 posted:according to who? how is that even possibly determined? There is an entire Wikipedia article on this apparently
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I'm partial to "onomatopoeia" myself.
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Harold Stassen posted:There are like fifty characters named Skahaz mo Naznak or some variation thereof, all of equally dubious import/relevance Someone here once pointed out that all the names are basically a variation on <xx> Moe Szyslak and now that's all I can read I don't mind Shavepate, though I'm pronouncing the "-pate" to rhyme with "eight" and separating so that it's almost two words. Shave Pate. Doesn't seem too bad to me? 
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webmeister posted:I don't mind Shavepate, though I'm pronouncing the "-pate" to rhyme with "eight" and separating so that it's almost two words. Shave Pate. Doesn't seem too bad to me? I think this is the intention, shaved heads and all.
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webmeister posted:Someone here once pointed out that all the names are basically a variation on <xx> Moe Szyslak and now that's all I can read Wait, how the hell else is it supposed to be pronounced?
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Solice Kirsk posted:Wait, how the hell else is it supposed to be pronounced? I dunno, I was just breaking it down for the guy who thought it was super-awkward! Remember this is the thread where several people didn't get that Damphair = Damp Hair
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webmeister posted:I dunno, I was just breaking it down for the guy who thought it was super-awkward! True, but that I could at least see some confusion if they were reaaaaaaally looking for a fun way to pronounce it or a more subtle symbolism. Like Dhampir or something.
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Shave Crêpe That wiki article on the history of the Cellar Door phrase mentions that the names of the Septa Celador and Sallador Saahn characters were inspired by it. Pretty neat speshl guy fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Feb 11, 2016 |
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TommyGun85 posted:according to who? how is that even possibly determined? Donnie Darko
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Have some season 6 photos. http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/exclusive-pictures-season-6 Bran's definitely going to be a flashback machine....a tall flashback machine.
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Feb 11, 2016 21:56
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Surely Bran is standing up in that photo?! Also looks like Brienne is at the wall in her picture?
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