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yhuuzan vong were a cool concept, the problem was most of the writing involving them was mediocre at best and also the Jedi were all apparently retards. "Oh no our force powers don't work on them what should we dooooo?" launch a loving boulder at their heads or rend the ground beneath them, idiot. Form a bubble around them and remove the air from it, surely they need to breathe. TacticalUrbanHomo posted:should i care about a thing's fear of death if it is in fact just a simulation of fear of what only superficially resembles death because the thing is not really alive I dunno, if the simulation is indistinguishable from the real thing to an outside observer then is that observer really able to say which feelings have merit and which don't? Our emotions are just electrical impulses and chemicals, too. 
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Bobert Bobertson posted:18 billion men died to take this hill.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Who builds a robot to feel pain the same sick person that built C3PO also there are robot torture scenes in Jabba's Palace for some reason Elukka posted:Actually even though 40k thinks it's using ludicrously exaggerated numbers it still tends to be too small by a few orders of magnitude. Imperial Guard regiments have thousands of men. A massive battle group suitable for taking over several planets has thousands of tanks. Their spaceships mass tens of millions of tonnes!! which given their size probably makes them lighter-than-air. I dunno maybe it's like Hyperion though and 1-2 soldiers can just wreck an entire planet's worth of civilians because the tech is just so advanced. Like one soldier with a rifle in that book can basically level a mountain range. I mean do you really have to occupy *every* inhabited world? I think at most you'd need to occupy key systems in various regions. Not every planet is valuable, surely. If they were then the Empire wouldn't be blowing them up to send a message. Like I bet no one ever lands troops on Tattooine because why? The Empire is only there in ANH because they're chasing those Death Star plans. I want to say 1-2 star destroyers are meant to keep an entire system in line so idk. 50m clones each equipped with weapons that could level a city block doesn't seem like so few a number necessarily. They're not fighting on every planet in the galaxy simultaneously either. FishionMailed fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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FishionMailed posted:the same sick person that built C3PO Yeah except we know stormtrooper weapons can't level a city block or even kill a target individual half the time.
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Applewhite posted:Yeah except we know stormtrooper weapons can't level a city block or even kill a target individual half the time. Fair enough but if we're gonna do that then we know there's only like a few dozen planets in SW that anyone actually gives a poo poo about anyway.
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FishionMailed posted:Fair enough but if we're gonna do that then we know there's only like a few dozen planets in SW that anyone actually gives a poo poo about anyway. like pfam
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Bobert Bobertson posted:what's the gay scene like in sw? There's a gay hutt.
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FishionMailed posted:I dunno maybe it's like Hyperion though and 1-2 soldiers can just wreck an entire planet's worth of civilians because the tech is just so advanced. Like one soldier with a rifle in that book can basically level a mountain range.
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Bobert Bobertson posted:what's the gay scene like in sw? Bioware made a planet of the gays in The Old Republic.
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never forget that instead of kotor 3 we got tor  the thing that pissed me off about hoth is that luke's snowspeeder squadron attacked walkers that only had forward facing weapons... from in front.
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Shnag posted:Scientists once thought that animals couldn't feel pain like humans could, and the noises they made when they received damage was just a 'reaction' of sorts. So that is how they justified performing vivisections on dogs , yet they still cut their vocal cords to not hear the yelping. But we know animals can feel pain. this assumption was based on pseudoscience, though. it's just like saying that "scientists used to think the earth was the center of the solar system" when, while technically true for some people, it was only due to a failure or refusal to apply science to the subject. in any case it couldn't apply to robots since their feelings are something of our own creation. we know what they are.
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:this assumption was based on pseudoscience, though. it's just like saying that "scientists used to think the earth was the center of the solar system" when, while technically true for some people, it was only due to a failure or refusal to apply science to the subject. i love science 
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Orkin Mang posted:i loving love science
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Why dont they make the whole hotg out of the black box material
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Orkin Mang posted:heil vader!!
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:in any case it couldn't apply to robots since their feelings are something of our own creation. we know what they are.
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a hole-y ghost posted:we haven't made robots that plausibly mimic consciousness yet so we don't know. maybe we will know? maybe not? who knows how we'd even make something like that? emo.state=sad; endif
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a hole-y ghost posted:what was with the stimsim historical battle training in that book. I can't imagine 15th century cavalry charges have much relevance when all the dudes have guns that can shoot thousands of high powered bullets at once that seek out and kill everyone within a kilometer. Dunno it's been a while since I read it. They probably justify it as some kind of pain tolerance slash combat mentality training but I suspect it's probably just because it's fun and that's basically their holodeck. TacticalUrbanHomo posted:in any case it couldn't apply to robots since their feelings are something of our own creation. we know what they are. I don't think that makes their feelings any less important than any other sentient being's feelings though. Besides there's all kinds of examples of emergent behavior that developers did not anticipate even with today's simplistic machines.
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FishionMailed posted:I don't think that makes their feelings any less important than any other sentient being's feelings though. Besides there's all kinds of examples of emergent behavior that developers did not anticipate even with today's simplistic machines. so are you committing murder of a sentient line of code when you kill somebody in grand theft auto I mean the things that little AI is perceiving aren't real things, they're virtual things, but if virtual feelings are just as important as real feelings I guess virtual sentience is just as important as real sentience, right
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:so are you committing murder of a sentient line of code when you kill somebody in grand theft auto No, my original point was if it is indistinguishable to an outside observer than what really is the difference? A GTA NPC is obviously not indistinguishable from a real person having real emotions. TacticalUrbanHomo posted:I mean the things that little AI is perceiving aren't real things, they're virtual things, but if virtual feelings are just as important as real feelings I guess virtual sentience is just as important as real sentience, right you seem really flustered over the concept of a 'fake' and a real thing being indistinguishable means they are effectively the same to an outside observer. Try to think about what I'm actually saying instead of going with 'lol you think video game NPCs have feelings.' The 'problem of other minds' is a fairly old philosophical concept and many people think that if you legit can't tell the difference then there isn't really a difference ethically/morally. FishionMailed fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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FishionMailed posted:No, my original point was if it is indistinguishable to an outside observer than what really is the difference? but it's not indistinguishable because we have criteria for what is considered alive and a robot isn't alive because it isn't capable of naturally reproducing or adapting, nor is it organised into cells. if the synthetic lifeform is really a lifeform then it isn't "fake", nearly synthetic.
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:but it's not indistinguishable because we have criteria for what is considered alive and a robot isn't alive because it isn't capable of naturally reproducing or adapting, nor is it organised into cells. if the synthetic lifeform is really a lifeform then it isn't "fake", nearly synthetic. not being capable of natural reproduction or being organized into cells doesn't mean jack poo poo all really. It just means it isn't biological life. In this hypothetical future scenario where we have synethic humans that are literally indistinguishable from a regular human (think of a Cylon) then is it moral to say they have no real feelings/emotions so screw 'em? idk what you mean by not capable of adapting - robots can already adapt to new situations. Do you mean not capable of evolving? Because you as an individual aren't either. you seem to not be able to get around the 'indistinguishable to an outside observer' bit. You wouldn't know that it isn't a biological lifeform. FishionMailed fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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ahh, the old light side / dark side interpretation of droid rights i miss the days of the senate...
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FishionMailed posted:not being capable of natural reproduction or being organized into cells doesn't mean jack poo poo all really. It just means it isn't biological life. yea
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I think I'd be okay with treating them like non-human animals.
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well I fundamentally disagree then I guess it's like bladerunner what happens when someone goes oh TacticalUrbanHomo you're not really a human lol I know you think you are but you're not really. We're deactivating you now! You'd be fine with that?
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doandroidsdreamofelectricsheep.txt
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i just realized there must be no wifi in star wars or else the droids could all talk to one another and take over proper
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tacticalurbanhomo trolling in the most boring fashion possible yeehaw
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nomadologique posted:tacticalurbanhomo trolling in the most boring fashion possible yeehaw and yet it still works
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I brought up the droid issue knowing the post quality it would lead to. I knew and did it anyway. Guess I'm a Dark Sider.
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GONK GONK GONK
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A Strange Aeon posted:I brought up the droid issue knowing the post quality it would lead to. I knew and did it anyway. Guess I'm a Dark Sider. HOW COULD YOU?! YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!!
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notZaar posted:If(Happy_int<0.67) It's me, the guy who got troled by this
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can droids be gay? are there exhaust port friendly lubes in the sw universe? some astroglide but instead of glitter it's got ewok hair
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Bobert Bobertson posted:can droids be gay? are there exhaust port friendly lubes in the sw universe? some astroglide but instead of glitter it's got ewok hair All droids are the same sex so technically all droids are gay.
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