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Darth Walrus posted:So what do we know about Gove's planned prison reforms? I just know that they're big, and that they're probably happening provided the Conservative Party doesn't explode in the next few weeks. e: 1999 - Gary Glitter gets done by PC World. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Mar 21, 2016 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Yeah but it can't spend any money, which is a rather more urgent and pressing problem. Spending has already been allocated and budgets drawn down to cover until about the end of July to allow time for the Supply and Appropriations bill to get assent - the departments can keep whirling on what they have for a couple of months if no Finance bill is passed, and if there is a defeat then there will be a clock running to get things started again.
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This graph on Newsnight is being used very nicely to spear Nicky Morgan.
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Fans posted:The press just wants more IDS drama. It's not a mystery. It's like when they complain he doesn't make jokes or give out soundbites during PMQ's and that makes him weak. "Whatever Osborne's five year plan is, it's always five years away" is a pretty good line imo.
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Mar 21, 2016 23:44
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Nicky Morgan is sitting in front of this giant awful tory graph on Newsnight
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Mar 21, 2016 23:48
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Ok that was a disastrous QT last week and now she's on Newsnight...who's bonfire did Nicky Morgan poo poo on?
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Love Like Blood posted:Nicky Morgan is sitting in front of this giant awful tory graph on Newsnight Oh that was glorious. All Tories should sit in front of that graph all the time.
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lmao this shower of bastards has never had to face a media that asks any questions, let alone throws graphs like that up, it's amazing e; not that I want to overstate the case or anything, it's not like the media is actively hostile to them or anything, but having sensed blood in the water their desire to make a headline is helping us.
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Love Like Blood posted:Nicky Morgan is sitting in front of this giant awful tory graph on Newsnight what, exactly, is this showing?
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jabby posted:Oh that was glorious. All Tories should sit in front of that graph all the time. 
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Foppery posted:what, exactly, is this showing? How relatively well off people are after the new budget lands the poor are hosed
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"This is the first time I've seen this graph*. Obviously, I do look at these things very carefully." *A virtually identical graph was front and centre in the IFS' budget analysis and presumably also in the Treasury's own unpublished distributional analysis
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Foppery posted:what, exactly, is this showing? Like it says across the top, it's the percentage impact on total incomes of the budget across the deciles of income. Showing only a tiny uptick for the 9th decile, and massively more impact on the bottom 3.
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Foppery posted:what, exactly, is this showing? e: here's the complex version of the graph:  It's showing changes in post-tax/benefit annual income for people at different levels of income caused by changes in taxation and benefits introduced in this parliament and planned to come into force between 2015 and 2020. LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Mar 22, 2016 |
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Guavanaut posted:I can think of other things to sit in front of. Giving them a chair for that? Get in front of the wall. No chair for you.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Exactly what it says on the title of the graph? If you want more detail, the numbers are from the IFS: http://www.ifs.org.uk/tools_and_resources/budget/512 tbf on my monitor that title is so difficult to make out that I didn't know there was one until you stated so.
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I knew the budget was going to be a bad one, but holy poo poo - an almost 10% reduction in the income of the very poorest? I literally am utterly lost for words
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LemonDrizzle posted:Exactly what it says on the title of the graph? If you want more detail, the numbers are from the IFS: http://www.ifs.org.uk/tools_and_resources/budget/512 I don't quite understand what the green and yellow bits mean, and how they relate to each other.
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Foppery posted:what, exactly, is this showing? If you stick the heads of several foxes onto them, the word "cruel" starts flashing.
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Darth Walrus posted:I don't quite understand what the green and yellow bits mean, and how they relate to each other.
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Darth Walrus posted:I don't quite understand what the green and yellow bits mean, and how they relate to each other. Green is all the poo poo they've already said they're going to do, yellow is this budget. Their previous measures rob the poor and this one gives to the rich.
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Darth Walrus posted:I don't quite understand what the green and yellow bits mean, and how they relate to each other. Green is as-of autumn statement, yellow is how it's changed as of this week's announcements. So basically for any positive yellow it means they've gained money, and any negative yellow means they've now lost money. Come April 1st.
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Foppery posted:what, exactly, is this showing? It's tories.xcl
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-35864037 I don't think you can tell a Parliamentary committee to gently caress off m8 but uh good luck I guess?
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LemonDrizzle posted:Green bits show the effects of measures announced in previous budgets that will come into force during this parliament. The yellow bits show the additional effects of the policies announced in the March 2016 budget. So this budget gave small perks to many people (and big ones to the rich), but not big enough to offset the giant thunderfucking everyone will be getting from the previously-announced measures for this parliament?
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Mister Adequate posted:lmao this shower of bastards has never had to face a media that asks any questions, let alone throws graphs like that up, it's amazing No, even the star of the week has been sat in front of graphs and his get out is 'I don't believe this'
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Darth Walrus posted:I don't quite understand what the green and yellow bits mean, and how they relate to each other. to add to what everyone said, the black triangle is the raw £ gain/loss of the green and yellow bits added together, and the white square is that number as a percentage of your income, on the right axis. Darth Walrus posted:So this budget gave small perks to many people (and big ones to the rich), but not big enough to offset the giant thunderfucking everyone will be getting from the previously-announced measures for this parliament? Yes. If the triangle and square markers are below the zero line, you're worse off. If it's above, better off. Only the ninth decile is better off, which represents the richest 19% +
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Love Like Blood posted:Nicky Morgan is sitting in front of this giant awful tory graph on Newsnight I think that graph would be awesome to use in a political campaign; posters and billboards etc. It's independently calculated, simple enough that the man on the street can understand, and the shape is so blatant that it would stick in people's minds. It just needs pairing with a suitable slogan and someone with an advertising budget.
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Darth Walrus posted:So this budget gave small perks to many people (and big ones to the rich), but not big enough to offset the giant thunderfucking everyone will be getting from the previously-announced measures for this parliament? Exactly. Welcome to Tory hegemony.
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kustomkarkommando posted:Spending has already been allocated and budgets drawn down to cover until about the end of July to allow time for the Supply and Appropriations bill to get assent - the departments can keep whirling on what they have for a couple of months if no Finance bill is passed, and if there is a defeat then there will be a clock running to get things started again. Yes, that's the Vote On Account which I've mentioned half a dozen times already, and which some of the more fevered imaginations in the blogosphere have been suggesting could be defeated because they completely and totally misunderstand how Parliament works and have whipped what might be a possible small-scale rebellion in the Finance Bill debate into, well, the sort of things people have been posting all day here.
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Tesseraction posted:Exactly. Welcome to Tory hegemony. Also the graph looks even worse if you see the long game one from 2010 to 2020.
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"But Mr Corbyn, why do you keep having to answer questions about whether or not you're a racist?" The fact that Jeremy didn't say "because you keep asking them you pillock" is a testament to his possibly misguided self-control.
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Prince John posted:Also the graph looks even worse if you see the long game one from 2010 to 2020. I don't see you sharing it...
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Love Like Blood posted:Nicky Morgan is sitting in front of this giant awful tory graph on Newsnight this is fantastic my two great loves, graphs and bothering tories, together at last
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Prince John posted:It just needs pairing with a suitable slogan and someone with an advertising budget.
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From the Times, on Osborne:
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Wanna see what happens in them polls after all of this.
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LemonDrizzle posted:From the Times, on Osborne: Date?
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Darth Walrus posted:Date?
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So Osborne's basically out of the leadership race and he's (James) Murdoch's golden boy, I don't know if the actual Tory membership likes Boris enough and after that you've got Gove and May who are basically beneath consideration. Who the gently caress is gonna win this thing? I think maybe a dark horse candidate. That or Bojo but I don't think he can actually win a general, he'd have swept it in 2010 but hes not as much of a LEJEEERND now.
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