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Barehanded Brother posted:Her posting today has felt somewhat off, tonally, and this may exemplify it the most. It's a mixture of freedom and resignation Well yeah, the game is essentially solved at this point. It's either you or Lumpen and barring some kind of CYOA madness we've got enough time to lynch both of you. That kinda takes the drive away cause I don't really need to work at it to find the last scum. It would be nice to get MT a win as well cause she's been one of our best scum hunters but it's not essential. It's weird to me that you don't feel the same way.
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Rarity posted:Well yeah, the game is essentially solved at this point. It's either you or Lumpen and barring some kind of CYOA madness we've got enough time to lynch both of you. That kinda takes the drive away cause I don't really need to work at it to find the last scum. It would be nice to get MT a win as well cause she's been one of our best scum hunters but it's not essential. It's weird to me that you don't feel the same way.
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Mar 28, 2016 20:01
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Murmur Twin posted:This post isn't something town would write. The gist of Lumpen's post is IF Lumpen has a PR he CANNOT reveal or break or else face being killed: -it's too late now for him to do that -I could see Lumpen committing to it 100% because that's how Lumpen works
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Mar 28, 2016 20:44
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Lumpen posted:No good for Scum to bring this up. Looks good for BHB. If scum, real good head game. Looks more Town. And on the flip side, I think THIS is a very scummy post: Rarity posted:Quid/KK/kordansk: I think you guys are going to have to work this one out between you. Me, BHB and Lumpen can throw cases around till we're blue in the face but the validity will always be in question. I'll be around to engage with you as much as I'm able. Shutting down conversation of the cuddle candidates is not helpful for town, especially when combined with Rarity's "well we basically just have to 1 2 3 and we win, we got this in the bag." I don't think that's true, even from her perspective. Getting bad feels.
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Mar 28, 2016 20:45
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Lumpen posted:Same thing. 3p good fake claim for Scum at time. Lumpen, MMT claimed Survivor during N1, so there's only two options I see here that would make her scum: 1. MMT made a bet as scum that there was no survivor, BK wasn't a survivor, and got EXTREMELY lucky. 2. MMT is a rolecop & Kashuno screwed up and gave her her results in the middle of N1, allowing her to construct a fake claim knowing that BK was not the survivor - but would still have had to get EXTREMELY lucky that there wasn't another survivor in our midst. That combined with this D1 breadcrumb leads me to believe she is on the up and up: Murmur Twin posted:Is this a Survivor claim?
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Mar 28, 2016 20:48
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Barehanded Brother posted:But then this happens when Quid calls out Jake: Remember, though, that Rarity is doing a reread at this point, she wasn't there live. It is very easy for her to fake a reread and get information from her scum buddies about what they are trying to do. They might have given up on Jake at that point.
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Mar 28, 2016 20:50
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Rarity posted:Well yeah, the game is essentially solved at this point. It's either you or Lumpen and barring some kind of CYOA madness we've got enough time to lynch both of you. That kinda takes the drive away cause I don't really need to work at it to find the last scum. It would be nice to get MT a win as well cause she's been one of our best scum hunters but it's not essential. It's weird to me that you don't feel the same way. Yeah I agree with Lumpen, she's pushing this "just cuddle me last" narrative real hard. As much as I think Lumpen is town he is right that he's distracting a lot of people and he sure as hell isn't gonna get NKed, so my list currently, begrudgingly, is: -Lumpen -Rarity -MMT I don't think BHB is scum.
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Mar 28, 2016 20:52
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I would also like to hear from KK.
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Mar 28, 2016 20:52
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.....is there any possibility that the scum got a temporary godfather night 
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Mar 28, 2016 20:53
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I know this sounds incredibly crazy but maybe what we should do is go through and figure out what each of our actions got us each night. One of them was a second scum kill, one of them was me becoming town, one of them was the extra random scum kill last night. Do we have enough info to figure out the other things, potentially? Does anyone have an idea?
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Mar 28, 2016 20:54
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Quidnose posted:Shutting down conversation of the cuddle candidates is not helpful for town, especially when combined with Rarity's "well we basically just have to 1 2 3 and we win, we got this in the bag." I don't think that's true, even from her perspective. Getting bad feels. All I meant by that was you're the ones who are going to end up deciding. I said in that post I'd stick with the game and I wouldn't expect to control BHB/Lumpen's posting. And like I said, I totally get why it's not as simple for you as me cause you don't know my alignment but imagine it from my perspective.
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Mar 28, 2016 20:55
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Quidnose posted:one of them was me becoming town There something you're not telling us? 
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Mar 28, 2016 20:56
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Rarity posted:There something you're not telling us? Ahahahahaha, becoming the doctor, my b. If my alignment changed mid game I'd just tell you who the remaining scum is~
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Mar 28, 2016 20:59
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Quidnose posted:Lumpen, MMT claimed Survivor during N1, so there's only two options I see here that would make her scum: I guess Rarity is top Scum pick for me right now.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:00
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I guess at this point it's not the end of the world if we just lynch all of me/BHB/Lumpen. MT would go into LYLO already knowing who's town and who's scum and at this point I have faith she'd rather win with town.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:02
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IF we leave MMT alive until the last day and she's not scum: Today: 5 town, 1 scum, 1 survivor Next Night: 4 town, 1 scum, 1 survivor Next Day: 3 town, 1 scum, 1 survivor Next Night: 2 town, 1 scum, 1 survivor Final Day: 1 town, 1 scum, 1 survivor MMT becomes kingmaker at that point. IF we take out MMT, we don't get a 3-man LYLO, do we? Also who knows what random crap will happen with the CYOA aspects, too.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:08
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Yeah just did read Rarity one more time, and can't see why I had thought her so Town. I feel much more sure than BHB or MMT now. ##vote Rarity
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Mar 28, 2016 21:08
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Also reading like Rarity wants this scenario to play out cause she has something up her sleeve. This is not a regular mafia game, I'm not leaving this crap up to chance. WE HAVE WORKED TOO HARD.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:08
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Rarity posted:I guess at this point it's not the end of the world if we just lynch all of me/BHB/Lumpen. MT would go into LYLO already knowing who's town and who's scum and at this point I have faith she'd rather win with town. Don't trust that "plan" one bit.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:09
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I swear, this happens every loving endgame
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Mar 28, 2016 21:12
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Rarity posted:I swear, this happens every loving endgame
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Mar 28, 2016 21:16
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Lumpen posted:What is "this"? What game else? I figure out what's going on and how the game's going to run and everyone starts freaking out cause they're not seeing game theory like I see it and then it gets turned back around on me. I shouldn't really care because we've already won this game but it's still frustrating when people don't see poo poo that is really drat obvious.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:20
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Rarity posted:I figure out what's going on and how the game's going to run and everyone starts freaking out cause they're not seeing game theory like I see it and then it gets turned back around on me. I shouldn't really care because we've already won this game but it's still frustrating when people don't see poo poo that is really drat obvious. What game else? Weird post, if you think I am Scum, but you say "because not know game theory". Rarity posted:I guess at this point it's not the end of the world if we just lynch all of me/BHB/Lumpen. MT would go into LYLO already knowing who's town and who's scum and at this point I have faith she'd rather win with town.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:40
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Lumpen posted:What game else? Yeah, whatever. Someone message me when we've won ##vote Rarity
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Mar 28, 2016 21:42
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Hmmm. Did not think you would.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:49
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Rarity posted:I figure out what's going on and how the game's going to run and everyone starts freaking out cause they're not seeing game theory like I see it and then it gets turned back around on me. I shouldn't really care because we've already won this game but it's still frustrating when people don't see poo poo that is really drat obvious. Well yeah but your version of how the game will go assumes everyone knows you're town, which we don't. Lumpen posted:What game else? I thought you said you were the best person for town to lynch today, where did this come from? :crossarm:
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Mar 28, 2016 21:51
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My preference is: (a) We lynch Lumpen today (b) Night phase we have a good shot at getting a boon thanks to Kordansk and an offshot at a protect due to Quidnose (c) Worst case, if Lumpen is town and another town is killed and there's 5 people, then the field is reduced down to me, Rarity, BHB and I'm willing to either solve the case or, if I can't convince people on a case, be the lynch for next game day. Basically I'll put my money where my mouth is. I promise that given the chance to win with town, I'll take it. I like playing VT the most and, as such, have basically played the game as though that's what I am. I won't turncloak on that for no reason.
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Mar 28, 2016 21:56
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Murmur Twin posted:I thought you said you were the best person for town to lynch today, where did this come from? :crossarm:
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Mar 28, 2016 22:01
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Mar 28, 2016 22:03
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Quidnose posted:IF Lumpen has a PR he CANNOT reveal or break or else face being killed: I'm not really talking about the language of that post as much as the message itself. Even if it wasn't written in the language of a PR, it'd be scummy because the opinion he's representing (that I should be killed before his scumpicks because I am a LYLO threat, but that he himself is the right vote even though he's town) contradicts itself.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:09
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Murmur Twin posted:I'm not really talking about the language of that post as much as the message itself. Even if it wasn't written in the language of a PR, it'd be scummy because the opinion he's representing (that I should be killed before his scumpicks because I am a LYLO threat, but that he himself is the right vote even though he's town) contradicts itself.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:13
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Lumpen posted:Who do you think Scum want as last 3? With three scum dead, three confirmed town, and a doc/oracle, my personal feeling is that scum is just playing to get through this game day and then figure something out.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:16
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Scum dream last 3 is (in my view) Lumpen, MMT, Rarity. From posts, MMT should say same, right? Rarity should say same, right? In that case Town will lose I think.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:18
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Lumpen posted:Scum dream last 3 is (in my view) Lumpen, MMT, Rarity. I don't think there's any way that the players in this game are going to lynch BHB and someone who isn't one of the three of us, so that scenario isn't really relevant.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:43
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Mmmm, if we take out Rarity today & Lumpen tomorrow that leaves MMT, BHB, and one confirmed town. The only way that doesn't work out is if MMT is scum or screws us over.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:55
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OR if scum got a second temporary godfather boon & KK is scum, which I am kinda starting to tinfoil my way to at this point since he's basically given up playing and we are winning. Makes no sense.
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Mar 28, 2016 22:56
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have ya'll considered the idea that it's possibly lylo right now and there's two scum left? I think the mechanics have screwed the scum pretty hard. 5 scum team seems possible now
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Mar 28, 2016 23:23
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I haven't given up, I've just been playing poker all weekend
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Mar 28, 2016 23:23
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I think MMT has earned himself another day. I'm not willing to vote him. I think Lumpen's self vote looked sincere. I don't like him for scum at the moment. To me it's going to be between BHB and Rarity But what I find interesting is someone said that on day 3 imgay was the target lynch. If I remember correctly, BHB and Rarity switched to him at roughly the same time. They could both be scum, is what I'm saying...but I haven't reread yet. I need to look back at TMM's actions during day 3, cause he was voting lumpen, then took his vote off him, and went to JakeP if I remember
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if we mislynch today we should probably kill MMT...if there's two scum we're hosed anyways
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