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serious gaylord posted:What time will Goldsmith start crying tonight? The count for mayor and assembly doesn't actually start till tomorrow. Overnight counts do make for spectacle, but they're a massive waste of effort.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Everyone looking forward to doing their democratic duty on this fine day? * unless you live in Barnet Outsourcing champions win again
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LemonDrizzle posted:Everyone looking forward to doing their democratic duty on this fine day?  cos there are no council elections where i live
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Pissflaps posted:Only PCC voting in my part of the world. I don't plan to vote I think the post is a waste of time and money.
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May 5, 2016 09:33
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LemonDrizzle posted:Everyone looking forward to doing their democratic duty on this fine day? I did my duty bright and early (well not bright because this is Scotland after all). Went in at quarter to eight, looking at the tally while they sorted my ballot I think I was maybe the tenth person in? The polling station is right next door to the village shop and the village is full of old people so I imagine they get a good turn out.
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Pissflaps posted:Only PCC voting in my part of the world. I don't plan to vote I think the post is a waste of time and money. It is, but if you look at the cretins that run for it, you are normally better off voting for the status quo (evil you know and all that) otherwise you get a PCC with a hardon for trying to get G4S to take over policing services instead.
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May 5, 2016 09:39
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Mister Adequate posted:disability payments As someone with almost the same issues (substitute full agoraphobia for the cluster headaches though) I completely empathise. Good luck to you and everyone else in the situation, and try to keep your hopes up as best you can.
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I haven't received anything about council elections, but neither has anyone at my new place. Too late to make sure everything is in order now, at any rate.
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May 5, 2016 09:49
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Angepain posted:John Harris continues his Anywhere but Westminster series by looking at independents taking over the council in Frome (and trying to do so in Winchester). I'm sure people in this thread will have things to say about people claiming to make decisions free of ideology, but making councils work in a way that doesn't suck does seem to be a laudable goal. Sorry to dredge this up from about 8 pages ago! That said not going to lie, pretty proud of my old home town now. And the difference the independent councillors have had is legitimately amazing. The only thing I can moan about, is them voting a Tory MP. But I don't think that's Frome's fault.
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May 5, 2016 10:09
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Frome sounds like a type of yogurt.
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May 5, 2016 10:19
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Pissflaps posted:Only PCC voting in my part of the world. I don't plan to vote I think the post is a waste of time and money. The first PCC elections saw some frankly terrifying candidates around the country. Thankfully my local options don't include the run of 'bring back hanging' or 'privatise the police' we saw in the past, but my options are the Conservative who got it and has done sod all, or a failed lib dem council candidate and failed labour council candidate. Then there's the independent former rural police officer who's being vilified by the Tory incumbent's press team. So that'll be a vote for the independent then. Given the salary for the job and that it requires sod all qualifications or experience at anything really, i'm surprised there aren't a host of middle-management business types all going for it.
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OvineYeast posted:I say this - I actually had to put a Lib Dem down as my second choice for PCC, which caused me some mental anguish. Same, because the only alternatives were Tory and UKIP. At least a vote for Lib Dem here is closing the gap on the other fuckers.
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PST posted:So that'll be a vote for the independent then. It really shouldn't be a party role at all.
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I'm not 100% sure on what to do with my list vote (South Wales West region). Labour for the constituency seat, obviously, but Plaid Cymru or Lib Dem for the list seat? Is it more important to try to wrest that second list seat from the Tories (i.e. voting Plaid) or try to stop UKIP getting a list seat (i.e. voting Lib Dem)? Voting Labour in the list seat would be a waste, thanks to getting all the constituency seats (hopefully! Would be heartbreaking to lose Gower by a tiny margin again) they're way over the d'Hondt Entitlement for the region. e: looking at the polling margins, it's going to be a hell of a lot easier to achieve the former than the latter, so I guess Plaid it is. Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 10:53 on May 5, 2016 |
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PCC: I'll be voting Labour followed by Lib Dem second pref. I wouldn't do that if the other candidates weren't Tory ("let 'em rot in jail!!"), UKIP ("bring back hanging") and English Democrats. The latter is a particularly insidious one whose suggestion to make the streets safe and guarantee we'll never be victims of terrorism locally is to round up all the Muslims and burn their burkas and Qu'rans. So yes, voting Lib Dem just in case.
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From my facebook feed: "If you lean to the left, vote Liberal Democrats. There's a story about some anti-Semitic socialists who got into power in the 1930's - it didn't end well." Media narrative seems to be going well.
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I'm voting Labour then Plaid. Would vote Plaid as first preference if they had any chance of making considerable gains but they ain't no SNP.Captain No-mates posted:From my facebook feed: Ohhhh risky. Saying Labour are actually Nazi's could backfire when everyone runs out to vote for them. (I'm saying the UK is trash).
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Captain No-mates posted:From my facebook feed: I'm guessing it's a bit too much to hope they're referencing the Doctors' Plot 
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Seems like the Chief Rabbi got turned away at Barnet. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/election-day-2016-live-updates-7900079 This is why you make sure you're properly registered guys!
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Regarde Aduck posted:I'm voting Labour then Plaid. Would vote Plaid as first preference if they had any chance of making considerable gains but they ain't no SNP. No you see Nazis are bad people. I'm not a bad person, so even though I completely agree with every single Nazi policy I cannot possibly be a Nazi. -- what UKIP voters actually believe
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Quote-Unquote posted:No you see Nazis are foreign. I'm a British person, so even though I completely agree with every single Nazi policy I cannot possibly be a Nazi. Rolled Cabbage posted:Seems like the Chief Rabbi got turned away at Barnet.
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May 5, 2016 10:59
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Guavanaut posted:How long until this gets turned into another dastardly Corbynite conspiracy? They will find out that his name has been crossed out with a smear of red homemade co-op strawberry jam. A warning to the curious.  Edit: Whoops! quote:The London mayoral election started with an “absolute shambles” in one borough as voters were turned away from polling stations given the wrong electoral lists. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...g-a7014411.html Rolled Cabbage fucked around with this message at 11:11 on May 5, 2016 |
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Rolled Cabbage posted:Seems like the Chief Rabbi got turned away at Barnet. Supposed to have the updated lists by now, but that doesn't help people who can't go back later.
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Cerv posted:You're being entirely unfair. Barnet were turning away lots of people like Mr Mirvis who are properly registered and have their polling cards with them. Because the lists at the stations are incomplete. turns out that outsourcing responsibility to collect votes doesn't end well
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Cerv posted:You're being entirely unfair. Barnet were turning away lots of people like Mr Mirvis who are properly registered and have their polling cards with them. Because the lists at the stations are incomplete. 
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Jose posted:turns out that outsourcing responsibility to collect votes doesn't end well So you're saying that it's working as intended?
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LemonDrizzle posted:Everyone looking forward to doing their democratic duty on this fine day? Sadly my postal vote never arrived. Applied in good time and got the acceptance letter through a month ago, but as I'm hopelessly disorganised with my paperwork I only realised a couple of days ago that the actual voting form had never arrived at my current address. I'm feeling surprisingly bummed about it.  TheCrushinator posted:It is, but if you look at the cretins that run for it, you are normally better off voting for the status quo (evil you know and all that) otherwise you get a PCC with a hardon for trying to get G4S to take over policing services instead. This is definitely a good point - Pissflaps, you should protect yourself by voting for the candidate least likely to use the position for evil, even if you disagree with PCCs as a concept.
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Well it is a nice day and it might be fun to take my daughter to her first vote I suppose.
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How much evil can a PCC actually do? Like, to take the extreme examples mentioned above, the ones that want to bring back hanging and burn all the Qur'ans (and probably a few boxes of Quorn burgers in their semi-literate rage) would presumably be prevented by the Supreme Court or the ECtHR well before that stage, and would just sit there in impotent rage, but they'd still make their county a worse place and might spend their salary on terrible propaganda. They control funding, which means a hardcore neo liberal might have more capacity for damage than a hardcore racist, but what's their exact remit for awfulness?
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Pissflaps posted:Well it is a nice day and it might be fun to take my daughter to her first vote I suppose. 'Fun' might be pushing it, but something different anyway.
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Guavanaut posted:How much evil can a PCC actually do? From the PCC website, the ones that scare me most are: quote:- appoint the Chief Constable, So they basically have carte blanche (for example) to tell the police to spend 100% of their time harassing minorities and immigrants, ensure funding only goes to the priorities the PCC sets and they can sack the police chief if they disagree. As they're generally populist dickheads or ex-military types (at least around my area), I think there's definitely a non-zero risk of actual evil (or at least authoritarian) shenanigans. Prince John fucked around with this message at 12:00 on May 5, 2016 |
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hookerbot 5000 posted:'Fun' might be pushing it, but something different anyway. She's one year old everything is fun.
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Pissflaps posted:She's one year old everything is fun. I don't think she can vote yet
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Prince John posted:So they basically have carte blanche (for example) to tell the police to spend 100% of their time harassing minorities and immigrants, ensure funding only goes to the priorities the PCC sets and they can sack the police chief if they disagree. Right? 
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Pissflaps posted:She's one year old everything is fun. The age of the constant monologue "and now we're going to the shop, look at the strawberries they look tasty don't they? Do you think we should get some strawberries? Yes strawberries are great. and look there's a duck hello mr duck and baby ducks what do ducks say? they say quack. Oooh ducks". The worst thing is when you catch yourself doing it when the kids aren't there. I wonder how much the Barnet thing will affect the Mayoral election, there's been an official complaint put in already. If it did come down to having to poll again would it just be Barnet and would they release data on other areas? Or will they go by how much difference there is between votes cast and projected votes to see if it is worth redoing?
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The WEP candidate has put in an official complaint already. There won't be a rerun or a delay to the result because there's not enough people to alter. But someone's getting sacked.
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Guavanaut posted:Presumably they'd have to at least act within existing laws though, like the Race Relations Act. They could appoint a Chief Constable who's clever enough to be a racist in ways that skirt the law, which is worrying enough, but if they openly said "spend 100% of your time harassing minorities and immigrants" in the police and crime plan that would get thrown out, right? Maybe I'm being too cynical, but I'm imagining how they could use weasel wording like "focused targeting of policing resources towards areas of greatest crime" or "resources targeted to support minority communities" to basically enact the blue rinse brigade version of an ethnic crackdown. This thread has totally warped my sense of cynicism now, it's automatically turned up to 11. It just worries me that I never hear anything progressive from PCCs in their pitches - it's all a race to be the most tough on crime, with all the inevitable consequences.
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Guavanaut posted:Presumably they'd have to at least act within existing laws though, like the Race Relations Act. Yes and no. They may be punished for breaking those laws but that doesn't stop the harm being done first. Given that police in my area arrested a low-functioning autistic man for being brown while helping the bin men in the morning, and were then found not guilty of any wrongdoing, I'm not sure I want to let Are Contry types behind the wheel of the constabulary. Heck I don't even personally like the Labour candidate - he's a bit shifty/under-the-table but he actually does his job pretty well. The Lib Dem would probably focus police resources on guard detail for the local knitting club or something twee, hence them being second place in front of the loons.
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Maj.-Gen. Yair Golan said during a speech at Kibbutz Tel Yitzhak that he had noticed 'horrific trends' in present-day Israel that were reminiscent of what took place in 1930s Germany: 'It's scary to see horrifying developments that took place in Europe begin to unfold here,' Maj.-Gen. Yair Golan said during a Holocaust Remembrance speech. http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/IDF-general-in-bombshell-speech-Israel-today-shows-signs-of-1930s-Germany-453142 LOL A Serving IDF General Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany. Where the gently caress does this come on the anti-semitic outrage?
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