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Zephro posted:The firm you're thinking of is Trafigura. Not sure if they pioneered the idea or were just famous early adopters, though. They didn't pioneer the idea exactly, it had been used from the 19th century in blackmail and divorce cases, and there was precedent for its use to protect corporates in a tightly-defined and strictly time-limited way from disclosure of corporate information obtained illegally at the height of the insider-trading days of the eighties. What made Trafigura different was that it was a) ordered in perpetuity and b) to cover up illegal activity. The celebrity superinjunctions started in the eighties as an extension of the older blackmail precedent, to stop people selling stories to the press. The Sun were infamous for then just reporting the legal news of the writ being served on them by the celebrity, and someone (for some reason I want to say Noel Edmonds but I'm sure it's not right) succesfully argued that this was itself blackmail because the paper would earn money from it.
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Namtab posted:Peak tibfc
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Namtab posted:I'm watching some show called news night and this BBC political editor doesn't seem very impartial Not watching but im going to take a wild stab at Laura 'Engineered a shadow cabinet ministers resignation live on air' Kuenessberg?
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Yeah p. sure that's Laura Kronenbourg.
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Nah the woman on the giant touchscreen said he's a new guy. Then they had a Labour mp saying the party's needs to be less anti Tory and more pro Labour and not alienating the rich. Now they're doing more on the anti Semitic thing, and saying that the Jewish group that released that statement is not impartial.
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May 5, 2016 22:48
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The inquiry needs more mainstream Jewish groups apparently.
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Three topics in, they're onto zac and his hate of the muslims. Pretty decent, albeit Tory, guy they've got here who's saying that its hardly dogwhistle politics if it's so overt. "You can't hear a dogwhistle". Ofc he's blaming the campaign team though. Namtab fucked around with this message at 22:52 on May 5, 2016 |
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May 5, 2016 22:50
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LemonDrizzle posted:Burnham's transition to the Manchester mayoralty looks like a great move for someone who's expecting an extended period of violent ugliness in the PLP and would like to be able to step in at the end with clean hands. I think he's got a lot of capital stored up from Hillsborough from taking the anger in 2009, setting up the panel and following it through to its conclusion.
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"We don't want socialist Jews. We want rich Jews. The Jewish elite that would be alienated by Corbyn's Labour and be prepared to slam him. Jewish landlords. Jewish bankers." - The Not Anti-Semitic Side
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Andy Burnham is a good guy and you all hated him for no reason.
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Hoops posted:Andy Burnham is a good guy and you all hated him for no reason. He'll probably be a good mayor, but I don't think he's got enough conviction to be a Labour leader.
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Hoops posted:Andy Burnham is a good guy and you all hated him for no reason. 
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Theo Bartram can be quite an interesting follow on twitter, having been a wonk for both Blair and Brown. He's quite honest about what is needed in terms of message discipline and spin. Here's something he wrote today about managing expectations: https://medium.com/@theobertram/they-didnt-win-bury-d603abe083b0#.4n39u45cc Thing is, Corbyn needs a few people like that on his team, just to do the stuff he and Seamus have no loving clue about. It's not pretty, it's not noble, but actually being Leader of the Opposition isn't at all the cosy bubble he's used to. John McDonnell seems to get this a lot better, I think.
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Guavanaut posted:"We don't want socialist Jews. We want rich Jews. The Jewish elite that would be alienated by Corbyn's Labour and be prepared to slam him. Jewish landlords. Jewish bankers." - The Not Anti-Semitic Side "It's not a racist stereotype if it's true!" - somebody's dad, probably
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Oh aye yeah I did forget about that admittedly. Edit: although if there is a single politician in the UK who I don't believe buys the sun, it is him.
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Hoops posted:Andy Burnham is a good guy and you all hated him for no reason. he's really weird looking
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Hoops posted:Oh aye yeah I did forget about that admittedly. That photo really made me sad, because for once I hoped his Hillsborough campaigning was more out of general "my loving friends died that day" conviction than the shrewd politicking he's known for. Also, Burnham once almost got sued for libel when he implied Shami Chakrabarti and David Davis MP were sleeping together because they both opposed 42-day detention.
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My biggest gripe with Burnham is that he's a political wind sock. Also that story about how when he tried to pitch an anti austerity message before running for leader Harriet Harman told him they couldn't do that because "We lost the election" and he just done a sad puppy face rather than point out that Labour were pushing for more austerity during the run up to the election.
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Jose posted:he's really weird looking Big Groucho Marx style eye brows
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Jose posted:he's really weird looking He was born with a cleft palate.
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Hoops posted:Oh aye yeah I did forget about that admittedly. So he (maybe) doesnt buy it (which is a pitifully small gesture for a man of his political influence and is basically just a bare minimum PR move if true) but he will take the meaningful benefit of exposure in that national newspaper when it suits him. He's an opportunist without any evidence of posessing real conviction.
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Did you know about the  smiley? Is this corbyn? I cant quite tell.
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Pissflaps posted:He was born with a cleft palate. i didn't know that but its not why i think he's weird looking. i think its just his eyes
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Zero Gravitas posted:Did you know about the It's Corbyn vaporising the remnants of Labour's electoral success.
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Gonzo McFee posted:My biggest gripe with Burnham is that he's a political wind sock. Also that story about how when he tried to pitch an anti austerity message before running for leader Harriet Harman told him they couldn't do that because "We lost the election" and he just done a sad puppy face rather than point out that Labour were pushing for more austerity during the run up to the election. Case in point: Hinchingbrooke Hospital. He couldn't move any faster to privatise it, despite the BMA, RCN, and the TUC begging him not to, but as soon as Labour lost office, he spun on a dime.
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TinTower posted:Case in point: Hinchingbrooke Hospital. He couldn't move fast enough to privatise it, despite the BMA, RCN, and the TUC begging him not to, but as soon as Labour lost office, he spun on a dime. aren't you a member of the lib dems?
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TinTower posted:he implied Shami Chakrabarti and David Davis MP were sleeping together because they both opposed 42-day detention.  and hilarious.Some people just can't believe that people support civil liberties for moral reasons rather than purely personal ones.
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sebzilla posted:Mods please rename the thread Votey McVoteface He's quite a good panellist. Isabel Oakeshott's voice has reached Dianne Abbott levels of patronising though. Edit: Hahaha, she's just given David Cameron's u-turn on child refugees as an example of how Britain "leads Europe" in being compassionate.
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Depressing turnout through an aggressively negative campaign is Crosby 101. Starting to feel a little concerned about the mayoral election. The Conservatives keep using the same tactics, and they keep drawing blood. Labour's going to have to figure out how to Lynton-proof themselves pronto.
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Pissflaps posted:This is bad for Corbyn. I think UKIP doing well in elections in the middle of an EU referendum is not exactly something Corbyn or anyone else in Labour would be able to stop.
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how strong were the tories in this ward to begin with? ukip progress isn't strange, but the tories really should be bleeding as well here
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V. Illych L. posted:how strong were the tories in this ward to begin with?
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67 Labour, 6 Con, pretty decisive in the end for Sunderland. Labour end up with 54% of vote, UKIP with 11%. Increase of 4% vote share for Labour since 2015 local elections.
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V. Illych L. posted:yes, i know, but that's not what i asked Also not what you asked but this is something that can be looked at as maybe vaguely hopeful https://twitter.com/liamyoung/status/728360371619303424
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