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Why G5X for titan? Also, the clock speeds are slower because of more cores? I would love to get a Titan just for the 1000 more CUDA cores and 64 TMUs over my 980 Ti.
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fozzy fosbourne posted:Uhh, possible 1080ti and 1060 spec leaks Hm, no HBM2.
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fozzy fosbourne posted:Uhh, possible 1080ti and 1060 spec leaks I thought the Founder's Edition are just the new name for the Reference card. Why are they listed at separate price points?
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May 22, 2016 04:19
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Could be what Nvidia are setting as MSRP for their partners?
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That's a pretty big bandwidth upgrade for the 1060 over the 960, but still slightly less than the 970.
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May 22, 2016 04:38
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Agreed, 1060 doesn't look bad on the wider 192-bit bus and new process, if those leaks are real. Weird that the 1080Ti and Titan are listed with GDDR5X after all the talk about possibly using HBM2 on the high-end models. Maybe they're reserving HBM2 for their workstation cards but that would kinda suck if only Tesla/Quadro series got HBM2.
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A (potentially) 7.2 billion transistor chip going into the 1060? Something seems fucky...
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Seamonster posted:A (potentially) 7.2 billion transistor chip going into the 1060? Something seems fucky...
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Its near certain to be a salvage die so the transistor count doesn't matter a huge amount and is still a big money maker for Nvidia since the alternative would be to throw it out.
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Does it make sense to jump on a 1080 next week, or wait until the non-reference cards show up? Any previews or leaks on actual specs of aftermarket cards? Also, if you do jump on a FE card, what's the preference in terms of brand? I assume it's all the same spec -- but different warranties?
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Chuu posted:Does it make sense to jump on a 1080 next week, or wait until the non-reference cards show up? Any previews or leaks on actual specs of aftermarket cards? You should definitely get a non-reference card since the FE has inadequate cooling and power delivery. And always go with EVGA for a FE card, with EVGA you get the best warranty and customer service and the step-up program which might let you exchange the FE for a much better custom cooled version.
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Assuming that chart's even half-way legit, I think the Ti is going to be my next card. I cannot see a use for 24GB of frame buffer in the next 2-3 years unless the next-gen consoles go loving insane. I also think nVidia's going to reserve HBM2 until Volta. They've a license to print money with keeping it exclusive to Big Pascal at the moment.
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Is the FE's cooling really that bad? I was watching a JayzTwoCents video and it seemed like most of the issues could be fixed by modifying the fan curve and power limit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmsfw9GnWUY&t=405s
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:You should definitely get a non-reference card since the FE has inadequate cooling and power delivery. And always go with EVGA for a FE card, with EVGA you get the best warranty and customer service and the step-up program which might let you exchange the FE for a much better custom cooled version. While this is great advice for Americans, it's worth adding that this isn't necessarily true for other countries. Australia doesn't have step up for example, and I've only heard bad things about Australian EVGA support. Hell, with Australian consumer laws putting the impetus for support on the retailer, you can just get the cheapest model from a good retailer. With the 980ti launch the EVGA reference model was >$100 more expensive than the same card from Galax.
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VulgarandStupid posted:Is the FE's cooling really that bad? I was watching a JayzTwoCents video and it seemed like most of the issues could be fixed by modifying the fan curve and power limit.
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OhFunny posted:I thought the Founder's Edition are just the new name for the Reference card. Why are they listed at separate price points? can someone answer this question because i was under the same impression that founders = reference e: also the newegg list shows evga and asus founders edition cards??? i don't understand this naming scheme http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&N=8000&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=PPSSVYJXPPLKEI Rite Of Massage fucked around with this message at 12:03 on May 22, 2016 |
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Flounder's Edition cards are reference designs sold by Nvidia, I think that's basically it. Think of it as a higher price point but guaranteed supply, while standard reference and custom sold through AIB will use the lower price point but may have issues with supply for the forseeable future. Reference design for the 1080 is inadequate enough for the 1080 to merit waiting for custom cards, there might be a solid 20% more performance difference which is hilarious. Maybe a large majority of 1080 die, even when fully intact, have serious enough voltage and power problems that it was better to limit the chip on the reference design? That the difference between what GP104 is fully capable of in ideal conditions results in first gen GP104 committing suicide via overclock?
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FaustianQ posted:Flounder's Edition cards are reference designs sold by Nvidia, I think that's basically it. Think of it as a higher price point but guaranteed supply, while standard reference and custom sold through AIB will use the lower price point but may have issues with supply for the forseeable future. What's the history on embargoing details on non-reference cards? Is it eyebrow raising that we aren't allowed to see what the partners have cooked up until the first wave of reference orders go through?
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The gamers nexus guys did a series of videos where they attached an evga hybrid cooler to a founders edition and overclocked it. Here's their conclusion and learnings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2MqPcAtnk
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As an aside, it's sort of stupid how the industry doesn't do some warm up laps to get the components up to realistic temperatures before the benchmark begins. With some of the reports of the stock boost throttling after 10 minutes (and well after most benchmarks complete), it's even more apparent that starting a benchmark from a cold card is misleading. It's like reviewers are willingly incentivizing speedtest.net style optimizations.
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I'm crossposting from the Windows 10 thread, but realized I may have a better chance here: I have a dual monitor setup, and I usually play games on my main monitor while throwing an LP or something on youtube on the secondary one. Since upgrading to Windows 10 every time I do this it impacts performance quite noticeably, my fps drop from around 90 to 40something playing Dirt Rally, the input feels weird, like it's processing it in bursts, and youtube playback is choppy as well. Any ideas what may be causing this? I know it's not normal since I've been doing this for years on 7 without any impact on games whatsoever. I have hardware acceleration disabled on chrome, and it's playing HTML5, so no hardware acceleration on flash to tweak. I recently upgraded from a 660ti to a gtx970 but I had it for a few weeks before upgrading to windows 10 and didn't notice this issue, so I don't think it's the card.
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This is something I experience as well with my 970 and Win10. I haven't found a fix for it yet. You can't even fix it by putting YouTube on your integrated graphics. :/ Most Google results I've found are just "hah you upgraded to Windows 10, sucks to be you!" or "stop playing YouTube while gaming."
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LiquidRain posted:This is something I experience as well with my 970 and Win10. I haven't found a fix for it yet. You can't even fix it by putting YouTube on your integrated graphics. :/ Most Google results I've found are just "hah you upgraded to Windows 10, sucks to be you!" or "stop playing YouTube while gaming." Well, poo poo. That's the whole point of having an el cheapo secondary monitor!  It's the same poo poo with Edge, so I don't think it's a browser issue. I tried setting the card to "single monitor priority" (or something along those lines) and nothing; also tried using a chrome extension that forces the HTML5 player to use mp4/webm instead of VP8/9 but same deal.
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Edmond Dantes posted:I'm crossposting from the Windows 10 thread, but realized I may have a better chance here: Does your main monitor have a refresh rate higher than 60hz? Sounds a little bit like: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4i4399/dual_monitor_144hz_60hz_framerate_lock_is_a_bug/
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fozzy fosbourne posted:Does your main monitor have a refresh rate higher than 60hz? Sounds a little bit like: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4i4399/dual_monitor_144hz_60hz_framerate_lock_is_a_bug/ No, checked just in case, they're both 60hz and configured as such.
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LiquidRain posted:You can't even fix it by putting YouTube on your integrated graphics.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awvoX676gzk 970 SLI driving the main monitor, Intel 4790K onboard driving the second and third.
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Edmond Dantes posted:Well, poo poo. That's the whole point of having an el cheapo secondary monitor! Have you tried toggling hardware acceleration in your browser, if available? I know there's an option in Firefox, not sure about Chrome and Edge.
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Sounds like a real bug to be honest vs some setting issue. I know, not helpful, but its an interesting one to me id like to know what the root cause is there.
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So if all of these AIB manufacturers know that 3-Sli and 4-SLI aren't really a thing anymore, why do some of them continue to make X99 motherboards with 4-5 PCI-E 16x slots? Why not just put in two or three and add in some m.2 slots? What I really want is X99 with 2 PCI-E 16x slots, like 2 PCI-E 4x slots(For PCI-E SSD cards), then like 3-4 m.2 drive slots, with the chipset feeding the SATA slots for regular drives.
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mcbexx posted:Have you tried toggling hardware acceleration in your browser, if available? wolrah posted:970 SLI driving the main monitor, Intel 4790K onboard driving the second and third. 
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SlayVus posted:So if all of these AIB manufacturers know that 3-Sli and 4-SLI aren't really a thing anymore, why do some of them continue to make X99 motherboards with 4-5 PCI-E 16x slots? Why not just put in two or three and add in some m.2 slots? What I really want is X99 with 2 PCI-E 16x slots, like 2 PCI-E 4x slots(For PCI-E SSD cards), then like 3-4 m.2 drive slots, with the chipset feeding the SATA slots for regular drives. A) Three and four way SLI is still a thing. B) Nvidia dropping implicit three and four way SLI support just happened and it takes months to over a year to R&D a new mobo design. C) There are other uses for X99 boards with a whole bunch of full size slots like for workstation cards.
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SlayVus posted:So if all of these AIB manufacturers know that 3-Sli and 4-SLI aren't really a thing anymore, why do some of them continue to make X99 motherboards with 4-5 PCI-E 16x slots? Why not just put in two or three and add in some m.2 slots? What I really want is X99 with 2 PCI-E 16x slots, like 2 PCI-E 4x slots(For PCI-E SSD cards), then like 3-4 m.2 drive slots, with the chipset feeding the SATA slots for regular drives. The info is like a month old, it sometimes is worth relaying that kind of stuff via Twitter or whatever towards motherboard companies. If you're lucky some dude will see it and take the idea as his own at the next meeting and, it could happen! Though you'd never know it was because of you lol
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SlayVus posted:So if all of these AIB manufacturers know that 3-Sli and 4-SLI aren't really a thing anymore, why do some of them continue to make X99 motherboards with 4-5 PCI-E 16x slots? Why not just put in two or three and add in some m.2 slots? What I really want is X99 with 2 PCI-E 16x slots, like 2 PCI-E 4x slots(For PCI-E SSD cards), then like 3-4 m.2 drive slots, with the chipset feeding the SATA slots for regular drives. 3- and 4-way SLI still exist, they're just dumb. But they were always dumb, so the market hasn't really changed.
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Male Man posted:3- and 4-way SLI still exist, they're just dumb. But they were always dumb, so the market hasn't really changed. I'd actually bet that there are more people who use 3-4 full-length PCIe slots for...whatever...than there are people who would use 4 m.2 slots.
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DrDork posted:I'd actually bet that there are more people who use 3-4 full-length PCIe slots for...whatever...than there are people who would use 4 m.2 slots. If you really need tons of m.2 slots you can get PCIe sled/adapter cards that hold m.2 cards anyway. So again, you're better off with the PCIe slots.
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fozzy fosbourne posted:As an aside, it's sort of stupid how the industry doesn't do some warm up laps to get the components up to realistic temperatures before the benchmark begins. With some of the reports of the stock boost throttling after 10 minutes (and well after most benchmarks complete), it's even more apparent that starting a benchmark from a cold card is misleading. It's like reviewers are willingly incentivizing speedtest.net style optimizations.
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Hasn't Nvidia always said "don't do 4 way, poo poo's not worth it" ? Nothings really changed.
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Ak Gara posted:Hasn't Nvidia always said "don't do 4 way, poo poo's not worth it" ? Nothings really changed. I'm not sure they've ever said that officially. Plenty of review sites have, though. As long as it's unlockable via a free key I'm A-OK with it, everyone knows it's a weird/trouble-prone setup for people that have too much money and doesn't really perform that well, and it sounds like they're just trying to make that explicit.
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wolrah posted:
Game cannot be fullscreen. It has to be windowed/borderless windowed. Dedicated fullscreen games aren't affected, at least not for me. I think it's a Windows bug.
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wolrah posted:
Your voice sounds exactly like mine What are you?
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