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Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Reachtel - 50-50
Fairfax-Ipsos - 51-49 to the ALP

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turdbucket
Oct 30, 2011

Don Dongington posted:

Mostly because your claims are predominantly the kind of unfounded heresay that rusted-on labor voters love belching at each other down the pub.

Also because a fucktonne of us are actually members and know better.

ima candidate m8

thatbastardken
Apr 23, 2010

A contract signed by a minor is not binding!
mate ill fite u irl

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

NTRabbit posted:

When they ask people "What is the worst thing mankind has created?", and others say the gun, the internal combustion engine, pesticides, and the nuclear bomb, I will stand up and say "the middle man"

Hey gently caress you man :argh:




That show loving rocked.

thatbastardken
Apr 23, 2010

A contract signed by a minor is not binding!
comic was better

A Lone Girl Flier
Sep 29, 2009

This post is dedicated to all those who fell by the forums, for nothing is wasted, and every apparent failure is but a challenge to others.
Have we started talking about voteflux yet?

evilbastard
Mar 6, 2003

Hair Elf

Anidav posted:

Reachtel - 50-50
Fairfax-Ipsos - 51-49 to the ALP

Also in the Fairfax-Ipsos

Malcom Turnbull Approval : 45 Positive (-3), 42 Negative (+5)
Bill Shorten : Approval 41 Positive, 47 Negative
Preferred PM : Malcolm Turnbull 49, Bill Shorten 31

Vladimir Poutine
Aug 13, 2012
:madmax:
IIRC over 49.1% 2PP is the number the coalition have historically won elections with. It's been a while since I've seen the actual number so maybe the decimal point is slightly different but the actual point I'm making is that 50-50 or just under is definitely in the coalition's favour. But then again, I guess the trend against them could continue.

I WANNA BE A TWINK
Mar 27, 2016
Watch the primary vote, Labor will need a few more points in that to win.

The Narrator
Aug 11, 2011

bernie would have won
https://twitter.com/_AdamTodd/status/738570130653728769

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/latrobe-university-withdraws-allegations-against-safe-schools-cofounder-roz-ward-20160603-gpbc1t.html

A better decision for academic freedom

A Lone Girl Flier
Sep 29, 2009

This post is dedicated to all those who fell by the forums, for nothing is wasted, and every apparent failure is but a challenge to others.
FLUX - Sounds a bit like a rude word.

What is Flux? From their website:

quote:

More a celebration of democracy than a party
Really you’re the brains of this operation. Flux is the tool Australians can use to directly participate in parliament. Flux is a party come election time but once we have elected MP’s and senators that’s where the difference begins. Your Flux representatives give up their autonomy and vote according to the people. They cast their votes in line with the outcomes produced by the Flux ecosystem comprised of ordinary Aussies like you.

It’s still democracy, it’s just Governance 2.0
Flux will operate in the form of an app you can access right from your computer or smartphone. You’ll be given a vote on every bill put before Federal Parliament, and can use that vote immediately on the issue at hand, give it to a trusted third party to cast on your behalf, or save it for an issue you care more passionately about later.

Who is Flux?

Max Kaye - Developer and candidate


Nathan Spataro - founder and candidate


Why should I be interested?

They were covered on Lateline last night. Their plan is to concentrate on Tasmania and try to win a seat on the senate. Their only policy is political reform via their software.

How does their software work?

quote:

Using nulldata transactions on the Bitcoin network, with votes stored on a DHT behind that.

We're just storing data in Bitcoin transactions so we don't pay miners directly.

The spec is pretty well laid out in my head. DHT, Merkle Trees, SHA3 (or SHA256 in a pinch), and ED25519 form the basic crypto/networking units. The rest is then basically just instructions on top, which I've played with via the nvb prototype...

Dev begins after the election.

If they are successfully elected, they will have three months to develop this software before sworn into parliament.

They are now taking donations.

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope

quote:

Professor Dewar said the university had suspended Ms Ward not because her views were political. but because they were made at a time when there was intense scrutiny of the Safe Schools program, which is closely associated with the university.


Yes I can clearly see the difference. Hold on a sec... FAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTT

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Senator Online, but with bitcoin is a real dumb idea. I'm sorry.

A Lone Girl Flier
Sep 29, 2009

This post is dedicated to all those who fell by the forums, for nothing is wasted, and every apparent failure is but a challenge to others.

Tokamak posted:

Senator Online, but with bitcoin is a real dumb idea. I'm sorry.

Senator online 403's

This is one of their senate candidates giving advice in the volunteer's chatroom:

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 4 days!

Waldo P Barnstormer posted:

If they are successfully elected, they will have three months to develop this software before sworn into parliament.

This is all anybody needs to know, really. They're running a technocratic platform centered around software that doesn't exist yet.

A Lone Girl Flier
Sep 29, 2009

This post is dedicated to all those who fell by the forums, for nothing is wasted, and every apparent failure is but a challenge to others.

Cleretic posted:

This is all anybody needs to know, really. They're running a technocratic platform centered around software that doesn't exist yet.

I also get the feeling they're a bit culty.

quote:

I'm excited to get to know you all in our slack chatroom and of course out on the battlefield! Let's show Australia what can happen when we stand together.

All everybody could do is tell each other how bad things where. Flux is the solution

He's only identifying triggers to target particular groups. After we position the conversation to get their attention then we present the core Flux mission. Simple.

But the change has to start somewhere....and that is at least one seat in senate THIS election...then the gateway will be open to TRUE democracy & we can fix the other stuff!

norp
Jan 20, 2004

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil
The whole thing was is predicated on people being technically adept and care enough to jump through a series of bitcoiner hoops.

In reality someone will update the wiki and his vote will be bargained with like any other crossbencher while the software is written

turdbucket
Oct 30, 2011
Or someone can just buy votes off of poorer people for the same situation we have now.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Vladimir Poutine posted:

IIRC over 49.1% 2PP is the number the coalition have historically won elections with. It's been a while since I've seen the actual number so maybe the decimal point is slightly different but the actual point I'm making is that 50-50 or just under is definitely in the coalition's favour. But then again, I guess the trend against them could continue.

Barring some major event, I can't see Labor winning at this point. I actually expect them to win on the overall 2pp vote, but QLD is going to see the Coalition back in government.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting


lol good work LaTrobe you dumb arses.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

I'm fairly sure this is in violation of one part of the electoral act or another.

Also you know, gently caress this guy in general.

Don Dongington fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Jun 3, 2016

Centusin
Aug 5, 2009
Those poor turtles shouldn't be forced to stay near him, it's animal cruelty :(

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope
OMG is he going to eat the turtle in one glup :ohdear:

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice
Guys don't fat sham- yeah nah who cares, he's a peice of poo poo.

Andrews, Dutton and Abbott won't let the party do what they did to Sophie to one of their staunchest allies, so here's hoping he accidentally eats his own hand one day soon.

GrandTheftAutism
Dec 24, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Renewed my Dems membership a few hours ago.

I WANT TO BELIEVE

Lizard Combatant
Sep 29, 2010

I have some notes.
:ssh: softerrrrr

foot
Mar 28, 2002

why foot why

ScreamingLlama posted:

Renewed my Dems membership a few hours ago.

I WANT TO BELIEVE

Just 499 more to go.

EXAKT Science
Aug 14, 2012

8 on the Kinsey scale
How did your election go?

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

A quick effortpost on the campaign and some of the commentary:

Speaking of hopeless causes like the Dems, Dee Madigan guested on the most recent Double Disillusionists podcast and wanted a nice centrist party like the Dems back not like those hysterical lefty Greens. Yes, she's a Labor voter. The DD's dont think Labor can get in either, but if the current distress of David Cameron is anything to go by, it might just be the best election to lose right now. Until the LNP/IPA's ideas are run into the ground so that even the most thick marginal seat voter can see they've got no clue, I do fail to see how they're going to learn otherwise. It's the death of the ideology that's needed, whoever tries to put the best face on it as PM.

Back to the DDs who think that Turnbull has done so little it's hard to find ways to pin him to LNP mistakes, although I would have thought rubber-stamping everything Abbott's done plus a lovely Budget would be enough, but apparently not. If we have a lame minority government who can't pass legislation through a hostile Senate, surely that's good enough. What are they going to do, keep having DDs until they get one they like?

On the other hand, one of the issues I have with the podcast is how they tend to echo the CPG narrative on things, even if they interpret events in a different way, and the CPG is firmly of the belief that it'll all turn around for Mal, because he hasn't been losing enough, and because Shorten can't win enough. If you want true cynicism, check out Two Grumpy Hacks who clearly have so little faith in the process they're just amused by the inevitable stuff ups.

I think it's a bit early to be certain of the result, but I do think that the LNP will be damaged by this election. By "damaged" I don't just mean hopefully the end of Pyne's and Joyce's careers, but also the certainty of their polling in the areas they've clearly been taking for granted, and that they're still taking for granted. I expect ALP to retain its Victorian seats: they've totally misread our state, and their boots on the ground are hopeless, a fact I'm sure will be relayed to Michael Kroger in no small detail. Maybe Qld is a bridge too far for the ALP, but NSW and WA (lets assume SA is gone too) might be a shock for the LNP. Losing country NSW seats would be the danger sign, WA might be more of a parochial loss.

GrandTheftAutism
Dec 24, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

ewe2 posted:

What are they going to do, keep having DDs until they get one they like?

Considering how hosed up things have been in this country of late, anything can happen. The only things missing right now are the flying pigs (Gina Rinehart and Joe Hockey don't count), but if you had the funds I daresay you could have a pig airlifted somewhere.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS
Anyone have any thoughts on how the Brexit vote might affect our election? It could certainly be a trigger for the global economy to poo poo itself again if nothing else.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS
Also it turned out that thing the LNP said wouldn't happen is actually happening.
http://www.theage.com.au/business/workplace-relations/chafta-has-opened-door-to-unqualified-workers-20160602-gpajfz.html

RIP jobs

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

Working as intended

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

starkebn posted:

Working as intended

You can exploit workers and blame foreigners at the same time. Raging success at the LNP.

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...02384fc460a80b2

lol if this triggers you

e: https://www.facebook.com/partyforfreedom.aust/videos/570297999806909/

Recoome fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Jun 3, 2016

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
Literally worse than Christmas decorations on buses.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Well gently caress, that has actually managed to outrage me. I don.. I can.. There aren't adequate words.

What already had me on the boil however

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...b12ab255256774b

quote:

Great Barrier Reef: scientists ‘exaggerated’ coral bleaching THE AUSTRALIAN12:00AM JUNE 4, 2016 Graham Lloyd Environment Editor Sydney

Activist scientists and lobby groups have distorted surveys, maps and data to misrepresent the extent and impact of coral bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef, ­according to the chairman of the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority, Russell Reichelt. A full survey of the reef ­released yesterday by the author­ity and the Australian Institute of Marine ­Science said 75 per cent of the reef would escape unscathed. Dr Reichelt said the vast bulk of bleaching damage was confined to the far northern section off Cape York, which had the best prospect of recovery due to the lack of ­onshore development and high water quality. The report emerged as Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten traded political fire on the reef’s future this week at the halfway point of the election campaign.

As Labor announced $500 million towards protecting the reef, the Opposition Leader said: “We will invest in direct environmental management. We will invest in science and research. We will invest in proper reef management.’’ He said if Australia did not spend the money on the reef, “it is in serious danger of being irreparably damaged. If we do not act, our children will rightly ask us why didn’t we.’’ The Prime Minister said the reef and its health were “a great passion of mine and my government’’. He cited the chairman of the World Heritage Committee, Maria Bohmer, who said last year Australia’s management of the Great Barrier Reef was a world-class example of coral reef management. “So there is no question that we are doing a good job,’’ Mr Turnbull said.

Activist groups last week seized on reports that a UN ­assessment of the impacts of climate change on iconic Australian World Heritage sites, including the Great Barrier Reef, Kakadu and the Tasmanian Wilderness was censored by Australia. It later emerged that the report the government was accused of censoring was complimentary of the Turnbull government’s actions to protect the Great Barrier Reef. The political debate and the ­release of the authority’s survey results highlights a growing conflict between the lead Barrier Reef agency and the National Coral Bleaching Taskforce headed by Terry Hughes. Dr Reichelt said the authority had withdrawn from a joint ­announcement on coral bleaching with Professor Hughes this week “because we didn’t think it told the whole story”. The taskforce said mass bleaching had killed 35 per cent of corals on the northern and central Great Barrier Reef. Dr Reichelt said maps accompanying the research had been misleading, exaggerating the ­impact. “I don’t know whether it was a deliberate sleight of hand or lack of geographic knowledge but it certainly suits the purpose of the people who sent it out,” he said. “This is a frightening enough story with the facts, you don’t need to dress them up. We don’t want to be seen as saying there is no ­problem out there but we do want people to understand there is a lot of the reef that is unscathed.”

Dr Reichelt said there had been widespread misinterpretation of how much of the reef had died.

“We’ve seen headlines stating that 93 per cent of the reef is prac­tic­ally dead,” he said. “We’ve also seen reports that 35 per cent, or even 50 per cent, of the entire reef is now gone. “However, based on our ­combined results so far, the overall mortality rate is 22 per cent — and about 85 per cent of that die-off has occurred in the far north ­between the tip of Cape York and just north of Lizard Island, 250km north of Cairns. Seventy-five per cent of the reef will come out in a few months time as recovered.” Former climate change commissioner Tim Flannery described diving on the Great Barrier Reef near Port Douglas recently as “one of the saddest days of my life”. “This great organism, the size of Germany and arguably the most diverse place on earth, is dying ­before our eyes,’’ Dr Flannery wrote for Fairfax Media. “Having watched my father dying two years ago, I know what the signs of slipping away are. This is death, which ever-rising temperatures will allow no recovery from. Unless we act now.”

Dr Reichelt said Dr Flannery’s language had been “dramatic” and “theatrical” and his prognosis, ­although of concern, was “specul­ative”. Dr Reichelt also rejected ­reports, based on leaked draft docu­ments, that improving water quality would cost $16 billion. He said the interim report had been rejected by a board of which he was member and “taken totally out of context” in media reports. The Australian Marine Conservation Society said the leaked information demonstrated the legacy of years of poor farming practices and government inaction, and highlighted the scale of ambition needed for political leaders to protect the reef. The society’s reef campaign ­director, Imogen Zethoven, said Australia’s plans to protect the reef’s water quality were “shockingly underfunded”. Meanwhile, tourism operators have stepped up a campaign to fight back against the onslaught of negative publicity. “It seems some marine scientists have decided to use the bleaching event to highlight their personal political beliefs and lobby for increased funding in an election year,” said Association of Marine Park Tour Operators executive director Col McKenzie.

Editor’s note: This emotive issue generated a high volume of reader comments. However, we regret this feature had to be disabled due to legal concerns.
Yes let's quibble about the scale of the disaster while doing nothing, both about obvious water contamination issues and the bigger global warming threats. Those wicked wicked Greens! :argh:

More human sacrifices for the police adrenaline God.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-03/greens-call-for-nsw-police-to-examine-pursuit-policy/7475692

quote:

Greens call for NSW Police to examine pursuit policy after teen suffers serious injuries in chase Posted yesterday at 5:49pm

New South Wales Police is being urged to review its pursuit policy after a 15-year-old boy was left with serious head injuries, but the Police Minister denies there is a problem. A police patrol car began chasing the boy when he was spotted riding an unregistered trail bike at Seven Hills, in Sydney's west, on Thursday afternoon. The boy suffered serious head injuries when he crossed onto the wrong side of the road and collided with an oncoming car. Greens MP David Shoebridge said the policy should be brought into line with other states including Queensland and Victoria. But Police Minister and Deputy Premier Troy Grant has rejected the need for a wide-ranging review. Mr Shoebridge said this was just the latest of many incidents where someone was either seriously injured or killed as a result of a police chase that had "escalated from a minor traffic infringement".

Here I'm a little bit of two minds. The only outlet reporting this is the Arsetralian.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...83927ded26378e8

quote:

Sydney siege: Lindt Cafe inquest considers whether to call Catherine Burn THE ARSETRALIAN4:16PM JUNE 3, 2016 Ean Higgins

NSW State Coroner Michael Barnes is considering whether to call Deputy Police Commissioner Catherine Burn to give evidence before the inquest into the Lindt Cafe siege.

The move follows calls from the families of Tori Johnson and Katrina Dawson, the two hostages who died along with gunman Man Haron Monis in the crisis in Sydney’s Martin Place in 2014. It comes following exposure in The Australian of Ms Burn’s involvement in the police response to the siege, which was treated as a counter-terrorism operation, a portfolio within the police force for which Ms Burn has responsibility. In a statement, a Coroners Court spokesman told media: “The inquest is seeking further documents to ascertain whether there is a forensic purpose in calling Deputy Commissioner Burn or any other senior police officers.”

Monis, who says he took 18 hostages captive on behalf of the Islamic State terrorist group, killed café manager Johnson in the early hours of December 16, 2014. The police operation to storm the building was ordered at that point, during which police shot Monis dead and, in the crossfire, Dawson was killed by fragments of a police bullet. Senior police officers including Assistant Commissioner Mark Jenkins have been grilled by lawyers at the inquest in the past fortnight about why the storming of the café was not ordered earlier, with the first shot fired 10 minutes before Johnson was killed. There have also been revelations of deficiencies in communications, resources and training in the police response.
It has emerged the lead police negotiator had no experience of a counter-terrorist or hostage situation, Mr Jenkins was not apprised of key developments in the final minutes of the siege including that a second shot was fired and that Johnson had been ordered to his knees, and the built-for-purpose police vehicle designed for such siege events had broken down years before and not been replaced.

Ms Burn, along with Commissioner Andrew Scipione, were the officers in the media limelight during and in the aftermath of the siege. Questions have been asked about why they have not been called to provide their insight into what happened on the night of the siege and on the broader issues. A few weeks after the siege Premier Mike Baird told journalists: “I will say I worked alongside Deputy Commissioner Catherine Burn throughout the entire siege. I have nothing but admiration, respect and gratitude for the incredible work she did.” But Ms Burn refused to answer questions from The Australian this week as to what her role and responsibilities had been during the siege, or whether she had provided a written statement to the inquest as many more junior officers had done. In Dubbo at a pre-arranged road safety promotion today, Ms Burn refused to comment on the families’ request. “Because it is a coroner’s inquest I’m not really in a position to take answers about that,” she said. “What we are going to talk about is the traffic road show.”
It's sounds like this was a monumental cock up from start to finish. It's already been a long wait but the final report is going to be a very interesting document indeed.

Cunneen watch has gone completely quiet. Looks like she got away with it.

So long as Woolworths gets boycotted...

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

Go Bill
Latch on to this article with your dear life and never let go!

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Halo14
Sep 11, 2001
Colour me suprised...

Baird budget cuts spark ICAC 'funding crisis'

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/baird-budget-cuts-spark-icac-funding-crisis-20160603-gpb1a9.html

quote:

The Independent Commission Against Corruption says it has been plunged into a "funding crisis" and will shed 15 per cent of its staff after a "reduction in funding" by the NSW government.

The decision, ahead of the June 21 state budget, comes as the watchdog prepares to report on Operation Spicer, a major investigation into Liberal Party political donations rorts before the 2011 state election.
ICAC commissioner Megan Latham wrote to the general secretary of the Public Service Association, Anne Gardiner, on Thursday outlining the impact of the decision.
In the letter, obtained by Fairfax Media, Ms Latham says Premier Mike Baird told the ICAC on May 24 that "at this stage, no supplementation will be made to the 2016-17 budget and forward estimate years".

"With the reduction in government funding, the commission will be forced to reduce its workforce by approximately 15 per cent," Ms Latham writes.

She says the ICAC has decided to deal with the "funding crisis" via a round of voluntary redundancies and then a "spill and fill" process to reduce staff numbers from 123 to around 103.
It is understood there was a 7.5 per cent reduction in the ICAC's staff budget in 2015-16 and a further 9 per cent reduction is anticipated next financial year.
Ms Gardiner said the decision was of grave concern. "At a time when we really need transparency and accountability in government, they're cutting into the only agency that can provide it," she said.

A spokesman for Mr Baird said base funding had been maintained for ICAC. It had received "temporary supplementation" over the past three years, including $1.3 million in 2015-16, "reflecting the abnormally high level of activity".
"At this stage, there is no supplementation for additional work in 2016-17," he said.
"However, the Premier has indicated that, while there is no supplementation for 2016-17, the government is prepared to monitor the financial situation in co-ordination with the ICAC."

The parliamentary oversight committee for the ICAC is preparing to hold a hearing into ICAC Inspector David Levine's report on its powers.
Mr Levine recommends stripping the ICAC of the power to hold public hearings to avoid "the undeserved trashing of reputations".
He wants an "exoneration protocol" to allow people found corrupt by ICAC but not later convicted of criminal charges to have the watchdog's records "expunged", or the finding set aside by the Supreme Court.

It follows the ICAC's aborted inquiry into whether crown prosecutor Margaret Cunneen attempted to pervert the course of justice by counselling her son's girlfriend, Sophia Tilley, to fake chest pains after a car accident to avoid a breath test.
Ms Cunneen has always denied having done so. Ms Tilley later recorded a zero blood alcohol reading.
The ICAC dropped the inquiry after the High Court ruled it was outside its jurisdiction. The NSW Director of Public Prosecutions did not proceed with charges.

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