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Anal Surgery posted:Yeah Dean was one of my favorites but he's been chumped so many times that he's in Eugene or Santino territory for me. This post actually made me curious about what the Win/Loss records are for AJ, Dean, Rollins, Cesaro, Owens and Sami. Throw in Bray Wyatt I suppose. That's your entire Main Event picture right there, and I feel like every single one of them has lost FAR more than they've won in the last 12 months.
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Sanguinia posted:This post actually made me curious about what the Win/Loss records are for AJ, Dean, Rollins, Cesaro, Owens and Sami. Throw in Bray Wyatt I suppose. That's your entire Main Event picture right there, and I feel like every single one of them has lost FAR more than they've won in the last 12 months. "50/50 booking is more realistic and helps to build up credibility. Wins and losses don't matter. Incidentally Roman Reigns should probably win every match he's in."
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Jun 6, 2016 03:43
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Sanguinia posted:This post actually made me curious about what the Win/Loss records are for AJ, Dean, Rollins, Cesaro, Owens and Sami. Throw in Bray Wyatt I suppose. That's your entire Main Event picture right there, and I feel like every single one of them has lost FAR more than they've won in the last 12 months. context free WWE TV/PPV win loss records 2015-present AJ Styles: 20-12 Dean Ambrose: 69-40 Seth Rollins: 26-44 Cesaro: 50-47 Kevin Owens: 54-47 Sami Zayn: 18-12 Bray Wyatt: 28-21 everyone but former wwe champion seth rollins has a winning record
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Jun 6, 2016 03:44
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Wow, they really are so close to literally 50/50 booking everyone.
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Jun 6, 2016 03:50
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DeathChicken posted:Wow, they really are so close to literally 50/50 booking everyone. Yes but wins and losses don't matter. Which is why Roman hasn't been pinned clean in years.
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oatgan posted:everyone but former wwe champion seth rollins has a winning record I feel like this is the most important takeaway from this
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Jun 6, 2016 03:52
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So I calculated win percentages/batting averages for each, just to look at. AJ Styles: 20-12 .625 Dean Ambrose: 69-40 .633 Seth Rollins: 26-44 .371 Cesaro: 50-47 .515 Kevin Owens: 54-47 .534 Sami Zayn: 18-12 .600 Bray Wyatt: 28-21 .571 I would not have expected Deano to have the highest average of that group. For comparison: Roman Reigns: 249-22 .919 John Cena (2015 Only): 125-11 .919 John's is actually slightly higher, but only by fractions of a percent. projecthalaxy fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Jun 6, 2016 |
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Jun 6, 2016 03:57
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It's perception. Dean loses the big matches, at least it seems that way.
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Jun 6, 2016 03:59
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I did a few historical ones too. Steve Austin, 98-99: 188-17 .917 Triple H, 2002-03: 130-66 .663 Shawn Michaels, 1995-96: 296-26 .919 Hulk Hogan, 1987-88: 227-20: .919 This is absolutely uncanny. If you are The Guy, you win 91% of your matches. Always.
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Jun 6, 2016 04:12
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technically those all round up to 92%
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Jun 6, 2016 04:20
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projecthalaxy posted:I did a few historical ones too. It's a little funnier now given that a lot of those for Austin, HBK, and Hogan were surely that they refused to do jobs. I doubt Roman Reigns has that kind of pull now
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Marquis de Pyro posted:It's a little funnier now given that a lot of those for Austin, HBK, and Hogan were surely that they refused to do jobs. I doubt Roman Reigns has that kind of pull now Hogan shouldn't be jobbing to anyone in '87, and Michaels shouldn't have been jobbing to anyone in '96, so that's not really applicable
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Anal Surgery posted:Yeah Dean was one of my favorites but he's been chumped so many times that he's in Eugene or Santino territory for me. I don't even both catching any of his skits or matches anymore because in WWE, he's a nobody In my opinion Ambrose and Lesnar should have main evented the show, with Ambrose winning. That would have been such a cool moment, and beating Lesnar is certainly worthy of headlining WM. But no, can't have cool things in WWE. Now when Lesnar comes back he'll almost certainly be fed to Reigns, completely pointlessly.
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oldpainless posted:It's perception. Dean loses the big matches, at least it seems that way. Let's check! 2015: Fastlane - Loss vs Barrett - DQ (Ignored ref 5-count) Mania - Lost 7-man IC Ladder match to Daniel Bryan (took the nasty ladder bump) XRules - Won vs Luke Harper KotR - Lost to Shamus - DQ Payback - Lost to Rollins in 4-Way Elim. Chamber - Won vs Rollins - DQ MitB - Loss to Seth in Ladder Match Battleground - Not on the show Summerslam - Won (w/ Roman) vs Bray/Harper NoC - Loss (w/ Roman/Jericho) to Bray/Harper/Strowman HiaC - Not on the show SSeries - Won vs Owens, Loss vs Roman TLC - Won vs Owens 12 "Big" matches 4-4 in singles 5-7 total 2016: Fastlane - Loss vs Roman/Brock Roadblock - Loss vs HHH Mania - Squashed vs Brock Payback - Win vs Jericho XRules - Win vs Jericho 2-3 so far Looks like he's not very good.
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Jun 6, 2016 04:38
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Are those earlier win/loss counts singles matches? They seem high(not necessary the wrong ratio, just sheer volume).
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Jun 6, 2016 05:16
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probably including house shows -edit- yeah here are the context and house-show free W/L records Steve Austin, 98-99: 65-34 Triple H, 2002-03: 71-52 Shawn Michaels, 1995-96: 59-49 Hulk Hogan, 1987-88: 41-35 guess what? people win and lose all the time on tv via DQ and heel bullshit in every era and what matters most is winning the big ones. Hell, John Cena won less than half of his televised matches in 2010. Everybody gets 50/50 booking except for john cena and now roman reigns who get about 70/30 booking oatgan fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Jun 6, 2016 |
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Jun 6, 2016 05:18
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even without house shows it's still 2 televised shows a week, 52 weeks a year + PPVs. WWE folks wrestle a loving lot even before house shows.
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House Shows would skew a lot in favour of Babyfaces surely? As in at house shows babyfaces usually win, and as there are a fucktonne of them, that skews the numbers?
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Luigi Thirty posted:They told Bryan if he ever did that thing where Craig ruined the shot again they'd stop comping him tickets This is hilarious since it's not like Bryan and Craig dictated the framing of the camera shot.
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Jun 6, 2016 08:18
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Jerusalem posted:This is hilarious since it's not like Bryan and Craig dictated the framing of the camera shot. Look on the bright side, at least they didn't get Ariel'd. Hard to believe that WWE is demonstrably more tolerant about press and stuff leaking than UFC, but here we are. I can at least understand where UFC is coming from on that, but it's still such a crybaby move. Oh no you alerted maybe like 20k people (the majority of whom are our hardcore fans who would be buying UFC 200 no matter what) to our big surprise before we sprung it, time to torpedo your career however we can!
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NowonSA posted:Look on the bright side, at least they didn't get Ariel'd. Hard to believe that WWE is demonstrably more tolerant about press and stuff leaking than UFC, but here we are. I can at least understand where UFC is coming from on that, but it's still such a crybaby move. Oh no you alerted maybe like 20k people (the majority of whom are our hardcore fans who would be buying UFC 200 no matter what) to our big surprise before we sprung it, time to torpedo your career however we can! UFC has been pissed off with Harawani for months actually, the Brock thing isn't a one off. He used to contribute to a Fox UFC show, but the UFC had him fired from that back in March because of his reporting.
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Jun 6, 2016 13:31
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His UFC on FOX firing was all but confirmed to have been because he said, on a totally unrelated show to the UFC, to Rory MacDonald that free agency might be the way to go for him after his UFC contract is up and that's a very bad thing for the UFC, who obviously want all the best fighters on as little as they can justify paying.
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Jun 6, 2016 13:55
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The Yahoo interview with Ariel says that Brock was pissed because Helwani's report could've ruined the deal, although I honestly can't see how. UFC security then escorted him out of the arena, and Dana told him to go cover Belator because his reporting is "too negative"
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Jun 6, 2016 14:08
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It's pretty well established that Brock's a very private man and an enigma at the best of times so I can see him getting pissed off about people airing his business without his permission but if he were threatening to pull out, the UFC would cave to whatever he wanted as long as it's not impossibly unrealistic so the ruining the deal would never happen.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:It's pretty well established that Brock's a very private man and an enigma at the best of times so I can see him getting pissed off about people airing his business without his permission but if he were threatening to pull out, the UFC would cave to whatever he wanted as long as it's not impossibly unrealistic so the ruining the deal would never happen. The Harwani announcement was only an hour or two before UFC put the trailer up for UFC 200, which featured Brock. On a side note someone dig this up with Dana talking about a pro wrestling dirt sheet writer https://youtu.be/pnDHwXwIK1g
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Jun 6, 2016 15:28
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Brock is on ESPN right now and he's officially facing Mark Hunt at UFC 200
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exploding mummy posted:On a side note someone dig this up with Dana talking about a pro wrestling dirt sheet writer UFCMecca going hard on Shitbag Shave Sheltzer and his job with Yahoo which would have totally still been a thing today if he didn't lose it for being bad at business or whatever Dana is blaming him for.
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Jun 6, 2016 15:38
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Vertical Lime posted:Brock is on ESPN right now and he's officially facing Mark Hunt at UFC 200 I watched the man give his interview and it's like he had Heyman in his earpiece the entire time. He spun that poo poo so hard or was incredible.
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Jun 6, 2016 15:40
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Also Brock said he has no clue as to what he's doing at Summerslam
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Vertical Lime posted:Also Brock said he has no clue as to what he's doing at Summerslam Good thing because neither does Vince.
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Jun 6, 2016 15:42
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Angular Landbury posted:Good thing because neither does Vince. Having his eulogy read, probably.
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Jun 6, 2016 15:45
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Angular Landbury posted:Good thing because neither does Vince. lmao he does now Brock fights the Super Samoan at 200, loses to the Real Samoan at SS
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well I mean it is a challenge when your boss is a senile old man
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Jun 6, 2016 15:51
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WWE needs 52 writers now
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Jun 6, 2016 15:55
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The amount of WWE writers is legit insane. I bet you more than half don't do poo poo because Vince and Co. Don't even realize who actually works there.
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Luigi Thirty posted:WWE needs 52 writers now I am excited for the upcoming DC/WWE crossover special, Crisis on Infinite Wrestlemanias.
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projecthalaxy posted:Dean Ambrose: 69 Niiiiiiiiice
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