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Cleretic: Feb 3, 2010; Can't post for 6 days!

My favorite part of the comparison picture isn't the pool. It's their neighbor, who seems to have lost the flags and ONLY the flags.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 00:57

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# ? May 10, 2024 15:25

wombat74: Sep 30, 2005; Corporate Fat Cat

ewe2 posted:

Really explanatory picture here. I had a passionate geography teacher in my late-70's high-school, so we learnt a lot about the geomorphology of beaches, took trips to Surfers and the northern beaches to learn precisely these issues. Saw the useless rock walls, etc, learnt about the prevailing wind/currents, the use of the sandbar, and the ecology of the beach from the waters edge back into the hinterland.

What hasn't been pointed out by learned wombat74, is look where the buildings are. Right on the first dune. Guess what keeps the beach from collapsing? Yup. Guess what mistake has been made right the way up to Surfers? Yup.

The first dune is part of the beach's integrity, it's not just the sand it's the vegetation that holds it together and protects it against being disrupted. If it's compromised and you get king/storm tides like this, you get that, every time. You've essentially made a line between the dune and the beach and the beach goes with the wind/waves and takes a swipe out of the dune as it goes.

Notice to the north of the picture where the dune is more intact, and there's still beach? Never build on the first dune. On some beaches north of Brisbane and even down here in Victoria, they fence off the first dune to stop people destroying it with random paths. You can't plan for king/storm tides. They'll happen randomly every 30-40 years, maybe sooner. You can only avoid loving up the beach in the first place, or learn this expensive lesson.

Yeah, I didn't even touch on dunal systems (other than obliquely in my comment about GC being a snapshot of everything wrong with coastal management). Australia's obsession with coastal living has royally hosed up massive chunks of the coastline we pretend to love. I grew up in Gosford and back in Ye Olde Dayse the system was already screwed up in a near unbroken line from The Entrance to Avoca. And it's only gotten worse (although I was last there 10 years ago, I shudder to think how bad it is now).

And the scourge of canals hit the Coast too - check out St Huberts Island just over the water from Woy Woy. They cleared the bush & mangroves on the island and build McMansions & Canals. Madness.

The only positive I'm taking from this whole shitstorm is remembering, after 20 years, how much I enjoyed the environmental science aspects of my Geology degree and a germ of an idea of going back to do an Enviro Science degree forming in the back of my head

# ? Jun 7, 2016 01:08

Dude McAwesome: Sep 30, 2004; Still better than a Ponytar

CrazyTolradi posted:

Yes. Delfin Island in Adelaide is the same sort of thing too. I'm fairly sure the Sunshine Coast has them too.

lol. muddy ditches are a sign of class and wealth

ZealousQ posted:

Yes. See also, corruption and greed.

a grand old state (local?) govt tradition!

# ? Jun 7, 2016 01:08

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Bill Shorten set go but PM Malcolm Turnbull a no-show

BILL Shorten could be forced to debate himself at Wednesday�s Brisbane people�s forum, with Malcolm Turnbull refusing to commit to showing up.

The Prime Minister has not yet accepted an invitation to address voters in the marginal electorate of Brisbane � prompting event host David Speers to declare: �If the PM doesn�t want to another debate this campaign, then well fair enough, he should just say so.�

The Sky News/Courier-Mail People�s Forum will see 100 undecided voters to ask questions at the Bronco�s League�s Club at Red Hill from 7pm Tuesday night.

But on Monday Mr Turnbull said he would prefer to answer questions of voters via Facebook rather than in person.

�We�re looking at some alternatives,� Mr Turnbull said.

�What I�m hoping to do is to have a debate that�s a bit different, that involves Facebook and that involves a larger audience and that is more engaging.

�So I can assure you I enjoy debating and I want to reach as many people as I possibly can in the debate because we have a great story to tell ... and I want to have an opportunity to explain it and take questions on it from as many people as possible.�

Mr Shorten said he was happy to debate Mr Turnbull �anytime, anywhere� if he wanted to take the fight to Facebook in the future.

�But if he doesn�t front up on Wednesday, he is turning his back on Queenslanders, plain and simple,� he said.

�Queensland deserves its own People�s Forum: Unscripted questions on what matters to Queensland.

�I can�t understand what he is scared of.�

Facebook is understood to have held no formal talks about hosting a debate.

Rather, it proposes having the leaders separately answering questions on the social media platform.

Sky News editor and debate moderator David Speers last night said there was nothing wrong with that setup, but it was not a debate.

�A debate usually involves two people actually debating each other,� Speers said.

�If the Prime Minister doesn�t want to do another debate in this campaign, he should say so.

�If he wants to do more debates, well he should.�

Speers said tomorrow�s debate would go ahead either way.

�The invitation is still open for the Prime Minister to join us,� he said.

�We certainly hope he will.�

And Mr Turnbull has still left open the option of turning up as both major parties fight over a handful of key swing seats across Queensland that will be vital in winning government.

One is the seat of Brisbane, where MP Teresa Gambaro is retiring and former National Retail Association boss Trevor Evans faces tough competition to hold the seat for the LNP in the face of strong competition from former army major and Labor candidate Pat O�Neil.

So far the pair have debated in western Sydney in what attendees said was a win for the Labor leader and at the National Press Club, where no official winner was declared.

Queensland Labor MPs have also challenged Mr Turnbull over his apparent reluctance to participate in the debate.

Turdball Boycotting People's Forum.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 01:35

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

Well on of the first of the LNP health cuts are coming into effect on June 30 with people accessing the NDSS only getting 6 months subsidised BSL test strips. That's right the way you manage chronic disease is to make it more expensive for people to manage their condition. :cb:

If only there was some way to harness the hubris of the pro nuclear crew. There's at least fifty years of stored energy. The ones that implemented reactors without addressing the need for waste treatment and storage in fifty years because... That's fifty years away! You can argue it's only a political problem but we live in the real world where there are real world issues requiring real world solutions. So thanks for ploughing blindly ahead knowing there was a major issue without an actual workable solution! Good loving job.*

Aw finisd

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-06/vision-released-police-officer-pulls-gun-on-motorist-outback-qld/7482950

Forget the polls the LNP are done!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-07/maccallum-jobs,-growth-and-other-bedtime-stories/7481394

quote:

Jobs, growth and other bedtime stories OPINION By Mungo MacCallum Posted about an hour ago

Malcolm Turnbull's message about jobs and growth is becoming increasingly unconvincing as the election campaign wears on, writes Mungo MacCallum.

Malcolm Turnbull's supporters have been praising him for keeping on message, which at least has the virtue of simplicity: my Government has a national economic plan for jobs and growth. Beauty is truth, truth beauty, and this is all ye know on earth and all ye need to know, as John Keats more elegantly put it. And certainly our Prime Minister and his dutiful choristers have been hammering the line. But the problem is that it is not only repetitious, it risks becoming boring to the point of irrelevance to many of his potential listeners. And more ominously, as the message is progressively deciphered, it is becoming increasingly unconvincing. Apart from the various glosses about innovation, trade agreements, youth internships and the rest, the superannuation changes have become seriously divisive within Turnbull's own troops. His own cabinet secretary, Arthur Sinodinos, apparently promised a review after the election and Turnbull himself had to insist that he was staying firm.

But the centrepiece of the whole construction - the plan for short, medium and long term company tax cuts - is proving less and less like a plan for jobs and growth and more and more like a handout to the Liberal faithful. The revelation that the potential - and it is only that - improvement on GNP is a mere 1 per cent over 10 years at the expense of some $50 billion suggests that the result is simply not cost effective. Turnbull himself has started to hose it down; after all, he says, the initial impact will only be on small businesses in the first three-year term of government, and for the rest - well, that is three elections away. Who knows what might or might not happen then? In the meantime, we hope that the immediate winners will invest and spend, creating the jobs and growth - well, perhaps just one third of one percentage point of GDP. But even this could be wildly optimistic. Small companies are notoriously conservative: it is only the big end of town that jobs and growth might eventuate, and that is at least a decade away. The smaller players are reluctant even to replace old equipment, let alone to recruit new staff. They are more likely to sit on what they can get, especially in a time when net profits are falling.

Case for a company tax cut is solid

Labor may have reversed its position on company tax cuts because we're nearing an election, but that doesn't change the fact that a cut would be good for the Australian economy, writes Chris Berg. So Turnbull has had to admit that the surge he had confidently predicted in budget week will, if it happens at all, be more of a trickle; not much for the first few years and not even a great deal after a decade. And the same applies to Bill Shorten's recipe for more expenditure on education: there will be an economic dividend, and when it eventually comes it will perhaps be larger and more permanent than Turnbull's prescription, but by definition it will take a whole new intake of pupils to emerge as the success stories. However, all is not lost: Shorten's proposal to fully fund the Gonski model does provide relief for the schools, parents and children currently disadvantaged. There can be no serious argument that more and better targeted teaching staff will not improve the immediate needs, even if it does not immediately translate into cold, hard economic bottom lines.

Turnbull's rebuttal, that the Government has a plan and that simply more cash is not the answer, is hardly likely to convince those who can see for themselves that in some cases the situation is dire, and that Shorten's idea, no matter how expensive it might seem to the hard-line rationalists, is more worthwhile than a company tax cut. It is, as Shorten keeps reminding them, about priorities. Which is why, presumably, Turnbull has decided to take out some insurance. Last week he suddenly changed tack: it was not all about the Labor Party, it was also about the Greens, Nick Xenophon, the independents - about just about everyone else, apparently. Only a vote for the Coalition would ensure stability, prevent the alleged chaos of minority government - you know, the system in which Tony Abbott failed to convince the Greens and independents to co-operate in his version of it. It has finally dawned on Turnbull that in spite of the advice of his machine men that the marginals in the Reps will hold firm, the Senate is still certain to be a melange. The strategy of reforming the voting system has not been the panacea intended; far from weeding out the unwanted recalcitrant, not only will at least a couple of them probably survive, but they are likely to be joined by a few more, and the prospect of the Senate securing a mandate for Turnbull's economic plan is at best problematical.

But it gets worse; if Turnbull loses 10 seats, even calling a joint sitting of both houses to pass the Building and Construction Commission bill may not be an option. His combined majority could easily fall short. And if that happens, the entire exercise - voting reform, bringing forward the budget, the double dissolution, the election itself - will not only collapse, but become a fiasco; many Liberals, not to mention the electorate at large, will ask what the point was. Why did we have to go through so much pain and suffering only to go back to a hamstrung government with a lot of his backbench followers now thrown into the scrapheap? The horror, the horror. And of course Scott Morrison is also taking an each-way bet. When the national accounts figures provided an unexpected boost, Turnbull said, "so far, so good" - although he had very little to do with them and his economic plan had not even been formulated during the relevant period. But Morrison warned that things were fragile: the voters should not assume that things were really improving - certainly not rosy enough to risk a return to Labor.

But the implication was that the last two-and-a-half years of the Coalition had still not done anything substantial to repair the economy - F for fail. No wonder the punters are less than convinced about the current prescription.

* I'm a cautious pro-nuclear advocate. Go Lucas Heights! ANSTO 4ever! And if you didn't know, I hold a tertiary qualification in Science specialising in Quantum Physics. The sort of gung ho lets go nuke! advocates that sit on the pro camp sincerely make me want to flip sides. From the article I link previously

quote:

In the dawn of the nuclear era, cost was expected to be one of the technology's advantages, not one of its drawbacks. The first chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission, Lewis Strauss, predicted in a 1954 speech that nuclear power would someday make electricity �too cheap to meter.�

A half century later, we have learned that nuclear power is, instead, too expensive to finance.

The first generation of nuclear power plants proved so costly to build that half of them were abandoned during construction. Those that were completed saw huge cost overruns, which were passed on to utility customers in the form of rate increases. By 1985, Forbes had labeled U.S. nuclear power "the largest managerial disaster in business history.� The industry has failed to prove that things will be different this time around: soaring, uncertain costs continue to plague nuclear power in the 21st century. Between 2002 and 2008, for example, cost estimates for new nuclear plant construction rose from between $2 billion and $4 billion per unit to $9 billion per unit, according to a 2009 UCS report, while experience with new construction in Europe has seen costs continue to soar.

Financing and public risk

With this track record, it�s not surprising that nuclear power has failed to attract private-sector financing�so the industry has looked to government for subsidies, including loan guarantees, tax credits, and other forms of public support. And these subsidies have not been small: according to a 2011 UCS report, by some estimates they have cost taxpayers more than the market value of the power they helped generate.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 01:37

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Don't they need the canals for drainage? The land used to be a swamp didn't it?

# ? Jun 7, 2016 01:45

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

wombat74 posted:

The only positive I'm taking from this whole shitstorm is remembering, after 20 years, how much I enjoyed the environmental science aspects of my Geology degree and a germ of an idea of going back to do an Enviro Science degree forming in the back of my head

I absolutely loved the environmental geography at school but it was a shock to realize just how dumb our infrastructure is, how thoughtless and wasteful and fruitless. Events like this expose all those intersection of failure, from the careless developer to the heedless planner, all the way down to the foolish buyer who's not going to get paid out for a house that has to be knocked down to save what's left of that dune. Not to mention the government which immediately washes its hands and zooms away rapidly at any suggestion of assistance.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 01:46

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

ewe2 posted:

I absolutely loved the environmental geography at school but it was a shock to realize just how dumb our infrastructure is, how thoughtless and wasteful and fruitless.

Same, but for human existence.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 01:49

iajanus: Aug 17, 2004; NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
MAROONS 2023 STATE OF ORIGIN CHAMPIONS FOR LIFE

open24hours posted:

Don't they need the canals for drainage? The land used to be a swamp didn't it?

Used to be?

# ? Jun 7, 2016 01:51

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008; Can't post for 2 hours!

wombat74 posted:

Yeah, I didn't even touch on dunal systems (other than obliquely in my comment about GC being a snapshot of everything wrong with coastal management). Australia's obsession with coastal living has royally hosed up massive chunks of the coastline we pretend to love. I grew up in Gosford and back in Ye Olde Dayse the system was already screwed up in a near unbroken line from The Entrance to Avoca. And it's only gotten worse (although I was last there 10 years ago, I shudder to think how bad it is now).

And the scourge of canals hit the Coast too - check out St Huberts Island just over the water from Woy Woy. They cleared the bush & mangroves on the island and build McMansions & Canals. Madness.

The only positive I'm taking from this whole shitstorm is remembering, after 20 years, how much I enjoyed the environmental science aspects of my Geology degree and a germ of an idea of going back to do an Enviro Science degree forming in the back of my head

Now tell us about concrete cancer.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 01:52

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

iajanus posted:

Used to be?

When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a canal on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest canal in all of the Gold Coast!

# ? Jun 7, 2016 01:57

CrazyTolradi: Oct 2, 2011; It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

Dude McAwesome posted:

lol. muddy ditches are a sign of class and wealth

Well, considering riverfront properties in Brisbane still sell for premium pricing, despite it being the Brisbane river in all its murky and muddy glory, I'm really not surprised.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 02:01

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Bloody swamps, they ruined swampland!

# ? Jun 7, 2016 02:10

wombat74: Sep 30, 2005; Corporate Fat Cat

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Now tell us about concrete cancer.

Don't know nuffin' 'bout no concrete cancer

# ? Jun 7, 2016 02:32

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Concrete cancer is the 4th sign in the concrete zodiac. It is represented by a concrete crab

# ? Jun 7, 2016 02:51

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

This sure is loving depressing.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/07/the-great-barrier-reef-a-catastrophe-laid-bare

# ? Jun 7, 2016 02:52

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

Or if you want a laugh:

quote:

Many of the beachfront homes in Sydney's north � some of them on the verge of collapse after the severe storms � are not likely to be insured against damage from the sea, the Insurance Council of Australia says.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 02:54

Quantum Mechanic: Apr 25, 2010; Just another fuckwit who thrives on fake moral outrage.
Waaaah the Christians are out to get me

lol abbottsgonnawin

Stoca Zola posted:

The email literally says: This morning we announced our plan to put solar panels on the rooftops of every household and every business.
The repowering our homes and businesses pdf literally says: the Greens plan will enable every home and every business that wants to create its own clean power to do so.

Okay so maybe I took it a bit too literally, it might not be every single surface covered but I think my questions are still valid. The goal is still an increase in installation and use of solar panels. Even panels manufactured in Australia (Tindo Solar in this example) are doing so with imported parts; they don't actually list where their photovoltaic cells come from on their website (so I have sent them a message asking them).

Like I said, the plan has to be taken in context with the overall RenewAustralia plan, which involves massive investment into domestic manufacturing of the entire life-cycle of the panels, including the cells and eventual recycling. I mean I have to say that I think even the worst solar panels have a lower environmental footprint watt-for-watt with coal power, but the intent is certainly there to build a clean solar industry here and create the market for it.

Stoca Zola posted:

Maybe the Greens' scheme covers this stuff? Maintenance is paid for by CEFC until the owner completely owns the panel? I'm hoping for more information, that's the only reason I posted about it here. On the surface it looks like "lets just get lots of panels out there and the free market will sort out issues of repair and maintenance and disposal" and I don't like that at all.

Unfortunately the scheme is limited by both the statutory powers of the Federal government and by the AG insistence on having everything costed through the PBO and finding money for it elsewhere without announcing general tax increases - while I'd like a policy that's basically just "we fund the Beyond Zero Emissions plan" that would take a lot more coordination and negotiation than expanding the CEFC. I'm *fairly* sure that the proposal includes repair and maintenance as part of the costings for what the CEFC will have to provide. I could certainly check.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 03:00

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Oh God. The TV screens at fortitude Valley station stopped playing ads and now play Sky News.

AAAAAAAAAAAAA

# ? Jun 7, 2016 03:08

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

starkebn posted:

How about the countries in the last couple of months that have had several days with 100% of their power coming from renewables? Not perfect yet obviously but you don't think can get there in decades?

I hope so but i doubt it. We're probably going to end up in a highlander 2 situation where the earth is ruined but livable and the living envy the dead

# ? Jun 7, 2016 03:11

sick of Applebees: Nov 7, 2008

Anidav posted:

Oh God. The TV screens at fortitude Valley station stopped playing ads and now play Sky News.

AAAAAAAAAAAAA

Yeah, I'm glad that everytime I go through there I have headphones on now

# ? Jun 7, 2016 03:16

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Murdoch excels at creating your personal hell.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 03:22

CrazyTolradi: Oct 2, 2011; It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

Anidav posted:

Oh God. The TV screens at fortitude Valley station stopped playing ads and now play Sky News.

AAAAAAAAAAAAA

This is why you never go to the loving Valley.

Further in QLD is fukt news (and also in regards to lack of economic diversity):

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-07/queensland-coffers-will-lose-three-billion-mining-royalties/7484980

# ? Jun 7, 2016 03:36

Wrestlepig: Feb 25, 2011; my mum says im cool; Toilet Rascal

hooman posted:

This sure is loving depressing.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/07/the-great-barrier-reef-a-catastrophe-laid-bare

What a waste.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 03:54

MiniSune: Sep 16, 2003; Smart like Dodo!

wombat74 posted:

And the scourge of canals hit the Coast too - check out St Huberts Island just over the water from Woy Woy. They cleared the bush & mangroves on the island and build McMansions & Canals. Madness.

If it makes you feel any better, I believe St Huberts is still slowly sinking into the Brisbane Waters.

God bleas then sweet solid ground of Narara.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 03:59

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

I'll never forget that time I went down to Cairns to see the reef and the tour operator kept reflecting questions about dying coral by people on the boat by saying that it was "old coral" and "new coral would grow soon" and the tour company snuck pictures of the reef onto your personal photo USB and changed the filename to make the date seem current year but the Created data showed the photo was from the year 2001.

I wish I could find that post, the photos I took were really something.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 04:15

evilbastard: Mar 6, 2003; Hair Elf

Anidav posted:

I'll never forget that time I went down to Cairns to see the reef and the tour operator kept reflecting questions about dying coral by people on the boat by saying that it was "old coral" and "new coral would grow soon" and the tour company snuck pictures of the reef onto your personal photo USB and changed the filename to make the date seem current year but the Created data showed the photo was from the year 2001.

I wish I could find that post, the photos I took were really something.

[stalker]https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3684877&userid=161143#post438679159[/stalker] but there's only one picture from you there.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 04:25

asio: Nov 29, 2008; "Also Sprach Arnold Jacobs: A Developmental Guide for Brass Wind Musicians" refers to the mullet as an important tool for professional cornet playing and box smashing black and blood

CrazyTolradi posted:

This is why you never go to the loving Valley.

Further in QLD is fukt news (and also in regards to lack of economic diversity):

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-07/queensland-coffers-will-lose-three-billion-mining-royalties/7484980

How can you be so incredibly wrong on both accounts. First off with coal. We get the same amount from coal royalties as we do vehicle registration so who gives a gently caress about the coal industry and this stupid news story: http://www.tai.org.au/content/mouse-roars-coal-queensland-economy

Qld economy is actually built on the services industry, and the bulk of that is in healthcare. Punch a miner, thank a dishpig.

Secondly the valley. like i know this is something awful and bad things happen outdoors but have you never heard of mexican wrestling, scribble slam, arts forums, video game themed cocktails (until that closed down because nerds don't go outside) etc etc. If you want to see a decent live band you either go to roving conspiracy in west end (which is in a persons house and changes venue every time, which is cool and good but not a precinct), or the valley.

Unless you mean brunswick st mall which lost everything when they kicked out the street kids sniffing and replaced them with lovely self-serve concept bars

# ? Jun 7, 2016 04:26

wombat74: Sep 30, 2005; Corporate Fat Cat

MiniSune posted:

If it makes you feel any better, I believe St Huberts is still slowly sinking into the Brisbane Waters.

God bleas then sweet solid ground of Narara.

Wait, another Child of Narara? I lived on Manns Rd growing up, never thought there'd be Narara goons. Or Gosgoons if you want a stupid portmanteau

# ? Jun 7, 2016 04:27

drowned in pussy juice: Oct 13, 2009; by FactsAreUseless

asio posted:

scribble slam

my dude

also Mana Bar became an art gallery that also sells piss and does nude life drawing and also catering to spergy nerds who didn't want to spend any money on booze was killing the owner of Mana Bar who was a really cool dude so good riddance to that place

the valley owns and is a cool and vibrant place btw

drowned in pussy juice fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Jun 7, 2016

# ? Jun 7, 2016 04:31

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

evilbastard posted:

[stalker]https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3684877&userid=161143#post438679159[/stalker] but there's only one picture from you there.

I have others somewhere on an SD card but yeah. There was some North Korean levels of denial up there.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 04:35

CrazyTolradi: Oct 2, 2011; It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

asio posted:

How can you be so incredibly wrong on both accounts. First off with coal. We get the same amount from coal royalties as we do vehicle registration so who gives a gently caress about the coal industry and this stupid news story: http://www.tai.org.au/content/mouse-roars-coal-queensland-economy

Qld economy is actually built on the services industry, and the bulk of that is in healthcare. Punch a miner, thank a dishpig.

Ok, that's still $3 billion out of the state budget that is going to be cut from somewhere (and Newman did a LOT of cutting already). Sure, we make a bunch from vehicle rego but that isn't going to replace what's being lost from the decrease in royalties.

My point isn't that it's horrible that the coal industry is dying (This is a good thing), but that it's horrible that we're doing gently caress all to actually replace and diversify our economy. If you think services is going to make up for it (at least in QLD) lol ok let's see how that pans out considering that the majority of those services aren't exported, but are supported by existing economies in QLD (i.e resources).

[quote="asio" post="460739288"
Unless you mean brunswick st mall which lost everything when they kicked out the street kids sniffing and replaced them with lovely self-serve concept bars
[/quote]
This is what I meant, Brunswick St Mall is the arsehole of the arsehole of Australia.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 04:48

Seagull: Oct 9, 2012; give me a chip

ScreamingLlama posted:

It's kind of a silly idea, but I've always wondered if you couldn't just fill up a building with pedal dynamos and hire people to operate them. Literal human power. How's that for job creation?

rick that sounds kind of like slavery

# ? Jun 7, 2016 05:06

asio: Nov 29, 2008; "Also Sprach Arnold Jacobs: A Developmental Guide for Brass Wind Musicians" refers to the mullet as an important tool for professional cornet playing and box smashing black and blood

CrazyTolradi posted:

Ok, that's still $3 billion out of the state budget that is going to be cut from somewhere (and Newman did a LOT of cutting already). Sure, we make a bunch from vehicle rego but that isn't going to replace what's being lost from the decrease in royalties.

My point isn't that it's horrible that the coal industry is dying (This is a good thing), but that it's horrible that we're doing gently caress all to actually replace and diversify our economy. If you think services is going to make up for it (at least in QLD) lol ok let's see how that pans out considering that the majority of those services aren't exported, but are supported by existing economies in QLD (i.e resources).

This is what I meant, Brunswick St Mall is the arsehole of the arsehole of Australia.

Wow this is a fantastic example of missing the point.

Qld economy actually loses money by having a coal industry, through both subsidies and the fact that most non-Brisbane towns and cities have been negatively effected to some degree (this is an understatement). The qld economy will improve when coal companies leave.

Vehicle registration fees are a small amount - coal royalties are a small amount. Not arguing that vehicle registration fees are a big earner for the treasury.

Service industry isn't going to "save us": it is the industry that is the actual foundation for the state economy. The coal industry is hurting the services industry - as per the link.

You may now argue against my conclusions from the report by actually reading it.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 05:12

Knorth: Aug 19, 2014; Buglord

Next debate is going to be on Facebook apparently, hmm, I'm betting it's going to be tedious

# ? Jun 7, 2016 05:29

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

Knorth posted:

Next debate is going to be on Facebook apparently, hmm, I'm betting it's going to be tedious

That is an innovative disruption of the traditional debate format. The sort of thinking that will thrive in Turnbull's Australia.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 05:42

wombat74: Sep 30, 2005; Corporate Fat Cat

Knorth posted:

Next debate is going to be on Facebook apparently, hmm, I'm betting it's going to be tedious

That's an improvement from this morning, where Shorten was prepared to debate... nobody? (He was happy to field questions for an hour without Turnbull there)

# ? Jun 7, 2016 05:58

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

The Empty Suit vs. The Empty Chair.

The debate nobody wanted, that nobody went to.

# ? Jun 7, 2016 06:32

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

Knorth posted:

Next debate is going to be on Facebook apparently, hmm, I'm betting it's going to be tedious

Nothing but the most milquetoast questions will get past the moderators.

"Malcolm, you seem to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?"

# ? Jun 7, 2016 06:41

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# ? May 10, 2024 15:25

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

MysticalMachineGun posted:

Nothing but the most milquetoast questions will get past the moderators.

"Malcolm, you seem to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?"

Yeah, but this is facebook so the alternative is 6000 questions along the lines of WHADDYA GONNA DO ABOUT THA FACKIN ABOS

# ? Jun 7, 2016 07:17

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