|
How will you be voting in the UKEU Referendum? This poll is closed. |
|||
|---|---|---|---|
| Remain - Keep Britane Strong! |
|
328 | 15.40% |
| Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! |
|
115 | 5.40% |
| Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy |
|
506 | 23.76% |
| Leave - But only because the EU is terrible |
|
157 | 7.37% |
| Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea |
|
61 | 2.86% |
| I'm not going to vote |
|
19 | 0.89% |
| I'm not allowed to vote |
|
411 | 19.30% |
| Pissflaps |
|
533 | 25.02% |
| Total: | 2130 votes | ||
|
https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsEU/status/742393109447905280 https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsEU/status/742393450159603712
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 17:33
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 3, 2024 16:10 |
|
|
lol oh dear
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 17:34
|
|
|
Remain/Brussels might have to start offering people something better than the status quo to get out of this. Some kind of Vow perhaps.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 17:35
|
|
|
Leave up 6 in a Graun / ICM poll. Edit: beaten like a Turk at a Leave rally Zephro fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Jun 13, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 17:41
|
|
|
thespaceinvader posted:Yep. Somehow they will find a way to blame Corbyn. Oh dont worry, its already happening
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 17:43
|
|
|
Zephro posted:I think Tusk has a point, actually. The Front National would love a Brexit (Marine le Pen has said so), as would the True Finns and the Peoples Party and many of the other quasi-fascist right wingers currently doing pretty well in Europe. It would be some loving dark irony if domino theory turned out to have been true this whole time, and its proponents were only wrong about the direction it would go in and which end of the political spectrum would set it off.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 17:47
|
|
|
domino theory is obviously true imo
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 17:54
|
|
|
The British public are probably the best argument against direct democracy that exists. They're so ineffably ignorant.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 17:56
|
|
|
The French (and the Belgians, Italians and Dutch) by some measures are even more anti-EU than the Brits: http://www.thelocal.fr/20160330/france-home-to-more-eurosceptics-than-the-uk So Brexit happens, the French/Dutch/Italians/Belgians start agitating for a referendum of their own (if the Brits get one why can't we, a referendum is appropriate at this unprecedented moment in EU history, etc). Leave wins. Everyone else now wants a referendum or just skips that step and bails from what is now a very obviously sinking ship, Europe goes back to being a patchwork of independent states, a situation that has historically not led to any problems at all Zephro fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Jun 13, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 17:56
|
|
|
Random Integer posted:Oh dont worry, its already happening If David Cameron needs the leader of the opposition to fight his battles for him, he should just resign. However, that's looking more and more likely as time passes.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 17:57
|
|
|
Welp, time to look for a job (and winter gear) in Finland.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 17:59
|
|
|
the ignorance of much of the public re: issues that directly affect them is intentional and is further evidence that democracy and capitalism cant coexist (as the americans learned in south america)
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:00
|
|
|
Zephro posted:So Brexit happens, the French/Dutch/Italians/Belgians start agitating for a referendum of their own (if the Brits get one why can't we, a referendum is appropriate at this unprecedented moment in EU history, etc). Leave wins. Everyone else now wants a referendum or just skips that step and bails from what is now a very obviously sinking ship, Europe goes back to being a patchwork of independent states, a situation that has historically not led to any problems at all
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:01
|
|
|
I'll let Peep Show do my reacting to those polls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz5nffW5z8g
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:03
|
|
|
Guavanaut posted:Nah, it'll lead to a lovely trading/finance union.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:04
|
|
|
All the great taste of eurocapitalism and free movement of money, none of the rights and liberties or having to look at foreign people. It's the UKIP dream.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:06
|
|
|
FYI Guavanaut you're sounding an awful lot like Arthur Burling right now. Good trade deals didn't stop anybody from going to war over stupid poo poo a century ago, and it won't stop them now should the will arise. Believe me I'd love if they could, but you don't even need to look beyond the last year of political events to see that even if big business is very firmly in bed with out political class, the latter will still make idiotic decisions that hurt the former (and everyone else) if they feel it's "necessary". See: austerity, bombing Syria, this bloody stupid referendum. Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Jun 13, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:15
|
|
|
A full trading union is a bit different to 'good trade deals' though. (I'm not saying that all the capitalism with none of the rights and freedoms is good though, it's bad.) Plus if we go to war with France now we both all die in the first 20 minutes, so there's that. Unless all the G4S-Serco warheads fail mid flight, in which case we all die and France doesn't.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:18
|
|
|
at least if we leave the eu and everything gets even worse ill be able to call lots of people dumb loving cunts to their faces
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:23
|
|
|
Pesmerga posted:The British public are probably the best argument against direct democracy that exists. They're so ineffably ignorant. Nah mate its people the world over its not a uniquely British thing, Cameron should have realised EU membership was to important to let us have a say about though. (Cue Coohoolin coming to tell us how all Scottish people are wonderfully progressive and ignorance is a uniquely British trait.)
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:24
|
|
|
StoneOfShame posted:Nah mate its people the world over its not a uniquely British thing, Cameron should have realised EU membership was to important to let us have a say about though. (Cue Coohoolin coming to tell us how all Scottish people are wonderfully progressive and ignorance is a uniquely British trait.) Well that's true. It's just sad when you have to reconsider your principles to the extent that technocratic governance as a means of saving people from themselves actually starts to make some sense...
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:29
|
|
|
it's not saving people from themselves you need to do but save them from the rich and powerful who own much of the press and therefore are able to control the discourse in this and other countries, your technocracy will just be staffed by those same loving people
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:38
|
|
|
These are some depressing polling figures.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:43
|
|
|
Oh god pissflaps is right about something the world really is ending.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:44
|
|
|
Gyro Zeppeli posted:I'll let Peep Show do my reacting to those polls. I'm Jez. And Mark. And the wine. Anyway if the stupidity of the referendum is getting you down, just make preparations to agititate and organise the work force and immigrant communities which will suffer no matter what the actual result of the vote is. namesake fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Jun 13, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:46
|
|
|
Pissflaps posted:These are some depressing polling figures. It's a victory for straight up lies. I'm not sure if it was in this thread that someone posted the Trump article "Death of the Interview" but it's the same kind of idea. Once they see that lies can be told and nothing is done to challenge them there will be more and more and more. Not quite the same as broken promises and half truths. Telling depressing truths like Remain is doing just seems to be regarded as either "fear sowing" or lying even when it's true. It's baffling. I guess because next to nobody actually looks up things and just accepts what they're told.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:48
|
|
|
namesake posted:I'm Jez.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:49
|
|
|
namesake posted:Anyway if the stupidity of the referendum is getting you down, just make preparations to agititate and organise the work force But you can't buy assault weapons in this country? 
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:51
|
|
|
Renaissance Robot posted:But you can't buy assault weapons in this country? A Kalashnikov for every worker! Vote remain!
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:53
|
|
|
I submitted my proxy application a while back and told my proxy how to vote. Now I just get to watch from the smug security of my not quite yet leaving the EU host country (although they might think again if Leave wins), safe in the knowledge that the vote will only directly affect all my friends and family in the UK, and also my expat friends here. But not me straight away unless I want to return home. And on the plus side my euros will be worth more and the booze might get cheaper at the duty free.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:57
|
|
|
Pesmerga posted:The British public are probably the best argument against direct democracy that exists. They're so ineffably ignorant. You mean the best argument for the representative democracy we have, which isn't exactly a coincidence. People are discouraged from expecting nuance and get fed bullshit non-stop. Nobody's actually meant to be informed (that would cause problems), just credulous enough to accept PR lines and campaign waffle every 5 years So it's great that we've all been put in charge of this complex and important area of UK government!  Gyro Zeppeli posted:I'll let Peep Show do my reacting to those polls. He wrote a guardian thing which is pretty much how I feel about the whole circus quote:What is the point in politicians if it isn’t to give clear answers to those questions? To understand the broad truth that this country wants to continue to exist independently, but also wants to accept global realities enough to protect its prosperity, and then make a bloody decision? Yet both major parties are, to a certain extent, divided on the issue – the party of government disastrously so. I hope people start referring to this as a Tory referendum because that's exactly what it is, it's the party of government completely rejecting their responsibilities. Not governing badly or maliciously, just not bothering at all, and I hope people remember that whatever happens
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 18:59
|
|
|
When you talk to people on the doorstep about it all they've got to say is how Britain is full and how we need to "stem the tide". A few mention fishing and other generalities but that's mostly what you hear. And there's no persuading people about it, at all.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 19:02
|
|
|
Put contraceptives in the water, that's a quarter of a million less each year. 
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 19:07
|
|
|
Taear posted:When you talk to people on the doorstep about it all they've got to say is how Britain is full and how we need to "stem the tide". A few mention fishing and other generalities but that's mostly what you hear. And there's no persuading people about it, at all. Can't change minds with facts when they weren't made up with facts in the first place.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 19:10
|
|
|
Taear posted:When you talk to people on the doorstep about it all they've got to say is how Britain is full and how we need to "stem the tide". A few mention fishing and other generalities but that's mostly what you hear. And there's no persuading people about it, at all. global nuclear annihilation now
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 19:13
|
|
|
Remember the Tories are basically replicating the same play as Labour under Wilson in 75, holding a referendum and letting the cabinet vote and campaign as they desire to punt a controversial internal debate outside of the party into the public domain I don't think many people remember the EC referendum as a "Labour referendum" or if they do its hardly been mentioned in the last couple of months.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 19:13
|
|
|
^^^ Well I don't mean in 40 years or whatever, I'd just be happy if people remembered this in the short term when we start to see the consequences. It's going to be pushed as 'the UK's decision' with the tories claiming credit for being democratic and allowing people to make their choice, and the fallout is gonna be blamed on the EU 'getting revenge'. I just hope at least some of the blame lands where it's deserved, the people entrusted with the stewardship of the nation who just couldn't be arsed Taear posted:When you talk to people on the doorstep about it all they've got to say is how Britain is full and how we need to "stem the tide". A few mention fishing and other generalities but that's mostly what you hear. And there's no persuading people about it, at all. yeah quote:1) EU immigrants: we massively overestimate how many EU-born people now live in the UK. On average we think EU citizens make up 15% of the total UK population (which would be around 10.5m people), when in reality it’s 5% (around 3.5m people). Those who intend to vote to leave overestimate EU immigration more: they think 20% of the UK population are EU immigrants, compared with the average guess of 10% among those who intend to vote “remain”. So Leavers think there are 4x as many EU immigrants (never mind immigrants full stop) as there really are. They think a full 1/5th of the population came here from the EU. Not a coincidence obviously All this talk about Cameron being secretly for Leave makes a lot of sense, because after whipping up all this fear and anger about immigrant swarms, he's happy to open up the decision about this to the public. It's not like he's even desperately trying to save his job baka kaba fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jun 13, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 19:16
|
|
|
I got talking to a bloke in the pub, who was Leave because of something about Afghans suing some soldiers for things they didn't do, which was apparently the fault of the EU. I have no idea what he was on about...
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 19:17
|
|
|
baka kaba posted:
If you show them evidence that proves there aren't as many as they think they just brush it off, because well it's "all lies isn't it". Then they have an anecdote about people from elsewhere living nearby. During the election the guardian had some videos of John Rowson (I think) going to a few places in Kent and they were all full of vitriol about how [person I know] cannot get a job but a Polish person can. It's just sort of unassigned anger at society not doing what they want it to do and it's both depressing and pretty scary. Like Trump I guess. quote:I got talking to a bloke in the pub, who was Leave because of something about Afghans suing some soldiers for things they didn't do, which was apparently the fault of the EU. I have no idea what he was on about...
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 19:19
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 3, 2024 16:10 |
|
|
Thanks Ants posted:Because most train operating companies are a shower of poo poo. I had 2 cancelled trains, and one that they kept threatening to cancel until a driver literally volunteered to take it to the next station where it could carry on. This still took an hour extra because it was 'waiting for train crew' after every 3rd stop. This is still not as bad as a 4 hour flight delay because of a cello and Easyjet not teaching basic arithmetic to their attendants.
|
|
#
?
Jun 13, 2016 19:22
|
|
