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dragon enthusiast posted:the uniel netcode was never good in the first place, don't get your hopes up unless they straight up went and hired madscientist to work on both melty and unib somehow are you making a joke here because they literally did just that, at least for melty (and then why wouldn't they make use of it going forward?)
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So I'm looking at this website. What is the highest amount of display lag until things start becoming noticable?
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Below like 150ms (total) you don't really notice response time, and very quickly adjust to it and it doesn't "feel" like it's delayed. Above that it becomes noticeably distracting. Unless you have something to compare it to directly, you won't really notice it below that. You should get a monitor with the least amount of lag possible because everything else has input lag you can't control. The easiest (and most of the time, only) places to minimize input lag is your controller and display.
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punk rebel ecks posted:So I'm looking at this website. you can get decent monitors at 10-11ms for cheap, you won't really save money trying to pinny pinch past that because input lag is a non-factor in pricing for everything but monitors marketed at gamers (dumb poo poo for people with too much money) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008DWITHI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 That's what I use now, and they have good picture quality. https://www.amazon.com/Asus-VE228H-21-5-Inches-LCD-Monitor/dp/B00413PHDM?ie=UTF8&tag=dislag-20 with a third monitor that I don't use for anything anymore from back when I'd bring a setup to locals. The picture is noticeably both duller and more washed out somehow no matter how well you calibrate it but it has speakers. I've only ever had one bad experience with amazon warehouse deals if you wanna pinch further pennies, and I have no idea what they ever mean by scratches on the body. Other than the one dead monitor everything has come to me in perfect shape. 
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bebaloorpabopalo posted:Below like 150ms (total) you don't really notice response time, and very quickly adjust to it and it doesn't "feel" like it's delayed. Above that it becomes noticeably distracting. Unless you have something to compare it to directly, you won't really notice it below that. If the input delay for SFV is 8 frames, then at 60fps there is around 130ms of input delay, which is less than 150 with a good monitor. This does seem to indicate that the lag may not be immediately noticeable, but since it's right at the edge it can mess with reaction times. Does that sound right, or is there another source of delay I'm missing?
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Jun 16, 2016 02:29
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dragon enthusiast posted:the uniel netcode was never good in the first place, don't get your hopes up unless they straight up went and hired madscientist to work on both melty and unib somehow They implemented his rollback code for melty
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Jun 16, 2016 02:35
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giogadi posted:If the input delay for SFV is 8 frames, then at 60fps there is around 130ms of input delay, which is less than 150 with a good monitor. This does seem to indicate that the lag may not be immediately noticeable, but since it's right at the edge it can mess with reaction times. Does that sound right, or is there another source of delay I'm missing? There's controller delay too. http://www.teyah.net/sticklag/results.html
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Jun 16, 2016 02:35
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anything above one tenth of a second is noticeable by the average human being and will effect a persons ability to react to things, now theoretically, anything as low as 1/60th of a second could effect a players purely mechanical performance, but it's only really variations from the normal amount of delay experienced that do that blah blah blah i lost my train of thought
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Jun 16, 2016 02:37
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interrodactyl posted:They implemented his rollback code for melty well not yet they haven't, i thought it was still a work in progress
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Pomp posted:you can get decent monitors at 10-11ms for cheap, you won't really save money trying to pinny pinch past that because input lag is a non-factor in pricing for everything but monitors marketed at gamers (dumb poo poo for people with too much money) How about This one? Some guy is selling it on Craigslist for cheap. bebaloorpabopalo posted:Below like 150ms (total) you don't really notice response time, and very quickly adjust to it and it doesn't "feel" like it's delayed. Above that it becomes noticeably distracting. Unless you have something to compare it to directly, you won't really notice it below that. Thank you. I will keep this in mind. Dias posted:There's controller delay too. http://www.teyah.net/sticklag/results.html Wow, didn't realize that the PS4 controller was so responsive. No wonder I see so many people using it at tournaments. EDIT - People must be getting annoyed over all of my input lag questions. punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Jun 16, 2016 |
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Jun 16, 2016 02:49
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NecroMonster posted:yeah, you're right, capcom did find a way to make me miss known badgame sf4 In the heyday of SF4, when people would poo poo on it but wax poetic about 3rd strike I would always say "you know, when SF5 comes out, people are going to fondly remembering the days of SF4 and wish we could go back to that." Well guess what? I WAS RIGHT BITCHES! I was right. In 2009 I predicted the goddamn future. It feels good, man.
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Jun 16, 2016 03:27
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Man correctly predicts sun will rise next morning, experts shocked
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Jun 16, 2016 03:58
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By the time sf6 comes out, dogs will wear pants. Mark my words. Sorry for spoiling the future for you guys.
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dhamster posted:By the time sf6 comes out, dogs will wear pants. Mark my words. Sorry for spoiling the future for you guys. But how do you think dogs will wear pants, all four legs or just the hind ones? That's the real prediction there. Honestly tho, I don't miss SF4, even though it was the game that got me into fighting games. I just like SFV even less - and when they announced "SF4 but without FADCs and one-frame links" I was ready to move the gently caress on.
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Jun 16, 2016 04:28
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i would rather deal with focus attack and one frame link BnBs than any of sfvs problems.
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Jun 16, 2016 04:54
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i hated focus attacks sfv is broken tho
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Jun 16, 2016 04:57
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sf4 was a bad game sfv might as well not even be a loving game
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Jun 16, 2016 04:57
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Pomp posted:i would rather deal with focus attack and one frame link BnBs than any of sfvs problems. Let's not say things we can't take back.
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Jun 16, 2016 05:17
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So what was the last good Street Fighter according to you guys. Apparently Street Fighter V is rushed and unfinished to the core, Street Figther IV is boring, Street Fighter III had broken parry mechanics and Chun Li. I have never even heard anyone ever bring up the Alpha games before. So that leaves us with Street Fighter II?
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punk rebel ecks posted:So what was the last good Street Fighter according to you guys. Apparently Street Fighter V is rushed and unfinished to the core, Street Figther IV is boring, Street Fighter III had broken parry mechanics and Chun Li. I have never even heard anyone ever bring up the Alpha games before. So that leaves us with Street Fighter II? I don't think anyone would argue against ST being the best one, and from there it comes down to personal experience/preference.
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punk rebel ecks posted:So what was the last good Street Fighter according to you guys. Apparently Street Fighter V is rushed and unfinished to the core, Street Figther IV is boring, Street Fighter III had broken parry mechanics and Chun Li. I have never even heard anyone ever bring up the Alpha games before. So that leaves us with Street Fighter II? people say alpha 2 was solid.
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bhsman posted:I don't think anyone would argue against ST being the best one, and from there it comes down to personal experience/preference. Let me tell you about Hyper Fighting
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I think SFV is way more oppressive and scary when you're at the disadvantage then SF4 ever was, maybe because SF4 had way more defensive options. A good Ken is really scary IMO.
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punk rebel ecks posted:So what was the last good Street Fighter according to you guys. Apparently Street Fighter V is rushed and unfinished to the core, Street Figther IV is boring, Street Fighter III had broken parry mechanics and Chun Li. I have never even heard anyone ever bring up the Alpha games before. So that leaves us with Street Fighter II? We hold A2 in high regards here, man (A3 is broken as gently caress). I mean, you have ST diehards, you have the Alpha people (I think there's a big crossover between those two groups) and the 3S players in this very thread, I'd assume. The closest you'd come to an unanimous decision is ST because it's the grandfather of every single fighting game ever made. I kinda got tired of SF4 during the latter AE 2012 days, but I don't think it's a HORRENDOUS game - it's just very flawed. SFV is even more so, plus it has extra-game issues AND I think it's more boring to watch and play.
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Jun 16, 2016 05:31
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I only played EX 1 once and I hated it. I did see people pushing EX 2 Plus or something like that. I know there's one EX game that's supposed to be an underrated gem or whatever.
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bhsman posted:I don't think anyone would argue against ST being the best one, and from there it comes down to personal experience/preference. why do you even post and why do you think you can speak for anyone? you literally vehemently defended SFV since its inception, a game which we recently discovered was made bad on purpose as a design decision
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Best part of the Ex series.
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bhsman posted:Let's not say things we can't take back. Pomp posted:i would rather deal with focus attack and one frame link BnBs than any of sfvs problems. Doubling down on this post.
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Zand posted:why do you even post and why do you think you can speak for anyone? you literally vehemently defended SFV since its inception, a game which we recently discovered was made bad on purpose as a design decision I don't need your permission to discuss fighting games; don't be a lovely gatekeeper? EDIT: lol even the post you quoted doesn't even refer to SFV; my opinion of you being a nice guy for randomly offering me advice PMs on how to make Fightcade work has dropped significantly if you've just devolved into a rabid dog over SFV. VVV He doesn't, hence the gatekeeper bit. bhsman fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Jun 16, 2016 |
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Jun 16, 2016 05:44
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zand doesn't speak for us either
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xand don't be an rear end in a top hat over what videogames people like
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Jun 16, 2016 06:01
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don't buy poo poo, don't play poo poo, don't support poo poo thank you in advance
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlRp__ZB0Zg
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its cool that the charcters attack each other on the select screen. its not cool that you can wiff a super and not lose the meter apparently
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Jun 16, 2016 06:16
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holy hell everything but the facial animations look so amateur
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Real hurthling! posted:its cool that the charcters attack each other on the select screen. That's almost certainly just a feature of the early build so journalists and people who suck poo poo at fighters will eventually land supers after whiffing several times and get to go OOH and AHH.
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Jun 16, 2016 06:18
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When I said NRS games feel like you're slapping a dead fish against another dead fish, that wasn't a metaphor
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Jun 16, 2016 06:23
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mmm yup that's an NRS game
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