The Flash Season 2 - " Mom, Dad... I'm Jay."

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AtraMorS: Feb 29, 2004; If at the end of a war story you feel that some tiny bit of rectitude has been salvaged from the larger waste, you have been made the victim of a very old and terrible lie

Bruceski posted:

I never noticed Dona Dona playing during that scene, it really adds to the thing. (song summary for other folks, calf headed to market lamenting that it's not a free bird and is thus bound for slaughter)

I honestly have not been able to pay enough attention during that movie to tell if it has a plot, it's just a big smorgasbord of surrealist (I think that's the right term) metaphor and imagery.

Never seen the movie, just that clip, but surrealism is basically just dream logic as applied to real life. Think David Lynch. Most good surrealist stuff leaves you wondering what the hell just happened because there's little or no consistent logic to it. Usually on purpose.

That clip is more what I would call literalism (in a non-biblical sense) if I was being kind; otherwise it's just lazy symbolism. Instead of turning reality into a dream, literalist stuff just merges metaphorical subtext into actual text. Best recent example I can think of is Snowpiercer, where the a Marxist metaphor for the means of production is represented by an actual engine of energy production that has to be seized in order to maintain power and control. There's no distance there between power in an electrical sense and power in a social sense. It's not at all surrealist (it makes as much sense as any other fictional story), but it's a very literal application of pre-existing metaphors.

So when the chick transforms into a cow here, you understand exactly what's going on; she's stupid, so of course she's a cow now. That's story/metaphor logic. Dream/surrealist logic would be if she turned into a dinosaur and stomped everyone to death and then turned into a gigantic sperm-creature that impregnated a platypus with a one-armed serial killer who huffs nitrous oxide.

AtraMorS fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Jul 5, 2016

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BrianWilly: Apr 24, 2007; There is no homosexual terrorist Johnny Silverhand

Most, if not all, of Utena's concepts can somehow be tied to the theme of growing up.

The car motif, for instance, was a blatant recurring imagery tied to sexual maturity (and corruption). Children don't drive cars, see? Adults drive cars. So cars = growing up = sexuality. Anthy driving Utena, in the form of a car, into the highway of the "outside world" is actually a pretty clear-cut allegory of the two of them leaving behind the childish, fairy tale world of princes and duels and into something a lot more dark and scary but also more fulfilling.

(I dunno about the cow thing)

# ? Jul 5, 2016 07:12

AtraMorS: Feb 29, 2004; If at the end of a war story you feel that some tiny bit of rectitude has been salvaged from the larger waste, you have been made the victim of a very old and terrible lie

BrianWilly posted:

Most, if not all, of Utena's concepts can somehow be tied to the theme of growing up.

The car motif, for instance, was a blatant recurring imagery tied to sexual maturity (and corruption). Children don't drive cars, see? Adults drive cars. So cars = growing up = sexuality. Anthy driving Utena, in the form of a car, into the highway of the "outside world" is actually a pretty clear-cut allegory of the two of them leaving behind the childish, fairy tale world of princes and duels and into something a lot more dark and scary but also more fulfilling.

So it's a bad version of American Graffiti. Got it.

edit: wait are we talking about two different videos or what, i do not watch the animes

AtraMorS fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Jul 5, 2016

# ? Jul 5, 2016 07:30

Renoistic: Jul 27, 2007; Everyone has a
guardian angel.

Ok one last thing. The cow thing makes more sense in context. The girl is the top "mean girl", who gets sent a "Dior" cowbell that she starts carrying because it's frickin' Dior. Noone is impressed for some reason but she doubles down on it and carries it around everywhere. I think the transformation is just an unsubtle way of saying that she has a terribly low self esteem, and defines herself by how other people see her. Everyone sees a cowbell, so she starts subliminally acting like a cow and finally turns into one.

I think.

# ? Jul 5, 2016 07:37

Ojjeorago: Sep 21, 2008; I had a dream, too. It wasn't pleasant, though ... I dreamt I was a moron...; Gary’s Answer

What do you think Barry's favorite anime is?

# ? Jul 5, 2016 08:33

DoctorWhat: Nov 18, 2011; A little privacy, please?

Whizbang posted:

What do you think Barry's favorite anime is?

The guy who voiced Lelouch in Code Geass does the Japanese dub voice of Barry, so maybe start from there?

But seriously, it's probably Cowboy Bebop.

# ? Jul 5, 2016 08:39

Grem: Mar 29, 2004; Can't post for 30 days!

Goddamn anime chat in comic book TV thread.

# ? Jul 5, 2016 08:57

ApeHawk: Jun 6, 2010; All the NPCs will look up and shout, "Do this quest!"
and I'll whisper, "Sure, why not."

Animes are just comic books in motion.

Well, mangas too, but you get the idea.

# ? Jul 5, 2016 09:24

greatn: Nov 15, 2006; by Lowtax

Barry was a 10 year old boy in 2001, his favorite anime is Dragon Ball Z.

# ? Jul 5, 2016 13:10

ThNextGreenLantern: Feb 13, 2012

greatn posted:

Barry was a 10 year old boy in 2001, his favorite anime is Dragon Ball Z.

My evidence against this is he didn't yell "Kamehameha" when he hurled that lightning at Zoom.

# ? Jul 5, 2016 13:17

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

greatn posted:

Barry was a 10 year old boy in 2001, his favorite anime is Dragon Ball Z.

Tenchi Muyo, hence the idiot relationship drama.

# ? Jul 5, 2016 13:22

Hermetic: Sep 7, 2007; by exmarx

FactsAreUseless posted:

Tenchi Muyo, hence the idiot relationship drama.

Ranma 1/2, hence the relationship drama, father drama and constant training.

# ? Jul 5, 2016 13:38

Aphrodite: Jun 27, 2006

Barry wouldn't be an anime fan, he's into incest, not pedophilia.

Those are 2 different distinct mental illnesses.

# ? Jul 5, 2016 13:53

thexerox123: Aug 17, 2007

Edit: nvm

# ? Jul 5, 2016 13:54

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

Hermetic posted:

Ranma 1/2, hence the relationship drama, father drama and constant training.

Yeah, but that was never on Toonami.

# ? Jul 5, 2016 14:00

hangedman1984: Jul 25, 2012

Aphrodite posted:

Barry wouldn't be an anime fan, he's into incest, not pedophilia.

Those are 2 different distinct mental illnesses.

so he is big into fanfic instead of anime

# ? Jul 5, 2016 14:55

Blaze Dragon: Aug 28, 2013; LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

Aphrodite posted:

Barry wouldn't be an anime fan, he's into incest, not pedophilia.

Those are 2 different distinct mental illnesses.

So you're saying Barry is a big Fire Emblem fan.

# ? Jul 5, 2016 15:07

thexerox123: Aug 17, 2007

He'd probably like the second arc of Sword Art Online.

# ? Jul 5, 2016 15:14

Hermetic: Sep 7, 2007; by exmarx

FactsAreUseless posted:

Yeah, but that was never on Toonami.

But it should have been.

# ? Jul 5, 2016 15:21

Aphrodite: Jun 27, 2006

There was no toonami, Barry went back in time and stopped it. Did you even pay attention?

# ? Jul 5, 2016 15:21

Hermetic: Sep 7, 2007; by exmarx

Aphrodite posted:

There was no toonami, Barry went back in time and stopped it. Did you even pay attention?

No, he stopped Toonami Midnight Run, turning it into the vastly inferior Adult Swim. There's a difference.

# ? Jul 5, 2016 15:23

greatn: Nov 15, 2006; by Lowtax

On the night of his mom's murder, Barry was waiting to sneak downstairs so he could watch Aqua Teen Hunger Force

# ? Jul 5, 2016 15:44

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

Hermetic posted:

But it should have been.

Tell that to 8-year-old me and my many emails to Cartoon Network explaining this to them.

# ? Jul 5, 2016 15:59

Hermetic: Sep 7, 2007; by exmarx

FactsAreUseless posted:

Tell that to 8-year-old me and my many emails to Cartoon Network explaining this to them.

17-year-old me was right there with you, buddy. Awkward and cringe-inducingly nerdy, but trying to be persuasive.

# ? Jul 5, 2016 16:12

Tarquinn: Jul 3, 2007; I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you
my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal.; Hell Gem

Aphrodite posted:

Barry wouldn't be an anime fan, he's into incest, not pedophilia.

Those are 2 different distinct mental illnesses.

Wait, who was talking about Star Trek? :aatrek:

# ? Jul 5, 2016 17:31

Chokes McGee: Aug 7, 2008; This is Urotsuki.

Hermetic posted:

Ranma 1/2, hence turning into a woman whenever someone dumps cold water on him

... yeah I dunno it seemed like the joke to make :v:

# ? Jul 6, 2016 20:49

Dark_Tzitzimine: Oct 9, 2012; by R. Guyovich

Meet Kid Flash

# ? Jul 12, 2016 17:09

No Butt Stuff: Jun 10, 2004

Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

Meet Kid Flash

I assume that's the costume that's faithful to the comics, but man it just looks like the took the top half of the reverse flash costume and added it to the normal flash costume.

# ? Jul 12, 2016 17:11

Mortanis: Dec 28, 2005; It's your father's lightsaber. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight.; College Slice

So, I really like that. The yellow and red works better and is a pretty good take on the normal Kid Flash outfit.

# ? Jul 12, 2016 17:13

Guy A. Person: May 23, 2003

Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

Meet Kid Flash

Not bad!

I am more curious what they are going to call him. I'm sure Cisco will toss out a jokey "how about Kid Flash" which will get some jokey looks and eye rolls. It would seem kind of demeaning as an actual name since he's like 3 years younger than Barry.

# ? Jul 12, 2016 17:15

Aphrodite: Jun 27, 2006

Probably Impulse? I doubt Bart Allen shows up any time soon.

# ? Jul 12, 2016 17:19

ElCondemn: Aug 7, 2005

Guy A. Person posted:

Not bad!

I am more curious what they are going to call him. I'm sure Cisco will toss out a jokey "how about Kid Flash" which will get some jokey looks and eye rolls. It would seem kind of demeaning as an actual name since he's like 3 years younger than Barry.

It's flashpoint, he might've been going by kid flash since he was a kid, the diverging point is when Barry's mom died so it could be explained a bunch of ways. Plus the suit is very much Kid Flash, not very impulse at all and you can't ignore the name. Impulse is Bart Allen and Kid Flash is Wally West.

But I suppose they could make whatever changes they want, this is all new territory at this point.

# ? Jul 12, 2016 17:29

Aphrodite: Jun 27, 2006

As long as they avoid Black Racer.

# ? Jul 12, 2016 17:32

Dark_Tzitzimine: Oct 9, 2012; by R. Guyovich

For what is worth, the series' official twitter is indeed calling him Kid Flash

https://twitter.com/CW_TheFlash/status/752895379700449280

# ? Jul 12, 2016 17:41

Wheat Loaf: Feb 13, 2012; by FactsAreUseless

Guy A. Person posted:

I am more curious what they are going to call him. I'm sure Cisco will toss out a jokey "how about Kid Flash" which will get some jokey looks and eye rolls. It would seem kind of demeaning as an actual name since he's like 3 years younger than Barry.

Should just call him "Flash". No reason you can't have more than one running around.

# ? Jul 12, 2016 17:58