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canyoneer posted:Intel's earnings call has some neat stuff in it. They say they expect to ship the 3D X Point "Optane" SSDs by the end of the year. They're almost certainly going to be the things only of multimedia workstations and trust fund enthusiasts at first, though. Wouldn't shock me in the least if the only board you'll be able to use them on at the enthusiast level will be a special trim of the X99's successor.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:They're almost certainly going to be the things only of multimedia workstations and trust fund enthusiasts at first, though. Wouldn't shock me in the least if the only board you'll be able to use them on at the enthusiast level will be a special trim of the X99's successor. 3D Xpoint is going to come in PCIe NVMe and DRAM interface versions, I expect the NVMe version to be widely compatible but yeah don't expect to be able to afford one for quite a while.
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 02:59 |
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mayodreams posted:When I had ThinkPads for work, disabled that loving thing in the BIOS. Unfortunately on Latitudes you need to run the lovely Alps software at startup to disable it (and the bonus mouse buttons.)
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 04:29 |
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canyoneer posted:Intel's earnings call has some neat stuff in it. They say they expect to ship the 3D X Point "Optane" SSDs by the end of the year. I didn't listening to the earnings call however it doesn't appear that we'll see Kaby Lake until Q1 '17. That's whole 6 months until Apple, Lenovo, Microsoft, etc. release new hardware.
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 04:51 |
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What exactly is NVMe, anyway?
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 04:55 |
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PerrineClostermann posted:What exactly is NVMe, anyway? Flash (or PCM or whatever) over PCIe instead of SATA/SAS. It's fast.
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 05:04 |
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PerrineClostermann posted:What exactly is NVMe, anyway? It's a storage protocol (think AHCI or IDE), that is made to handle both the increased throughput of PCI-E as well as the random access speeds of SSDs. It's distinct from PCIE/SATA (interfaces) and M.2/SATA (connectors). Yes it's all a bit of letter soup.
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 05:10 |
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Tab8715 posted:I didn't listening to the earnings call however it doesn't appear that we'll see Kaby Lake until Q1 '17. That's whole 6 months until Apple, Lenovo, Microsoft, etc. release new hardware. http://www.anandtech.com/show/10503/intel-begins-shipment-of-seventh-generation-core-kaby-lake Looks like fall this year!
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 05:10 |
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I'm not sure what to take from this: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/high-end-skylake-processors-to-get-yet-another-socket.html I can't figure if that first diagram means the Skylake-X processor will control "up to" 44 PCIe 3.0 lanes on its own total, or if the PCH 'southbridge' it seems to be connected to will control an additional 24 PCIe lanes for things like NVMe drives. If so, I think I've found my upgrade point. Hopefully they make an eight-core Sky-X.
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 06:40 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I'm not sure what to take from this: Looks like a 6, 8 and 10 core Skylake-X! And since the Skylake-X uses the same PCH as the Kaby Lake-X it could be up to 24 PCH PCIe lanes plus 44 CPU lanes.. Crazy! Yeah I'd love to get the 8 core too. Gonna be tough to hold off on the upgrade til 2H 2017 though.
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 07:07 |
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Twerk from Home posted:http://www.anandtech.com/show/10503/intel-begins-shipment-of-seventh-generation-core-kaby-lake I am reading this roadmap correctly? Intel Readies New NUCs Based on Kaby Lake and Apollo Lake SoCs All the NUCs with Kaby Lake don't appear until Q1 '17.
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 07:12 |
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Timelines for general Kaby Lake availability and for Kaby Lake NUC availability specifically won't necessarily line up. Skylake also took a few months, I think.
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 07:22 |
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Twerk from Home posted:I go the other way and turn off the trackpad in the BIOS, the nipple mouse is vastly superior. I've got a Dell Latitude right now and it's got a decent nipple mouse.
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 11:37 |
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It is unforgivable how Apple led the trend of not having actual buttons.
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 11:52 |
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canyoneer posted:Intel's earnings call has some neat stuff in it. They say they expect to ship the 3D X Point "Optane" SSDs by the end of the year.
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 19:42 |
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ZobarStyl posted:Has there been any details about the form factor or compatibility of Optane? I really don't want to sidegrade from Skylake to Kaby Lake for storage alone. Not that I've heard but this BIG HEADLINE posted:They're almost certainly going to be the things only of multimedia workstations and trust fund enthusiasts at first, though. Wouldn't shock me in the least if the only board you'll be able to use them on at the enthusiast level will be a special trim of the X99's successor. is probably going to be the case. I have no idea if we'll even see the Optane stuff outside of the data center in 2016
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 19:56 |
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ZobarStyl posted:Has there been any details about the form factor or compatibility of Optane? I really don't want to sidegrade from Skylake to Kaby Lake for storage alone. I talked to people at conferences who've used both the DIMM form factor and regular nvme pcie versions of Optane/3dxpoint. I strongly expect all optane devices to be big data center only for at least a year. Hell remember that even the original P3700 devices were nearly impossible for smaller shops to get for six months+ I'm very interested in getting the DIMM stuff into the hands of all the db developers (sql, kvp, etc) as it's a sea change to have all your ram be non volatile and to have 10x as much of it. From what I've seen so far no one (people, operating systems, kernels, db software) has any inkling of what to do with it.
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 20:04 |
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Aquila posted:From what I've seen so far no one (people, operating systems, kernels, db software) has any inkling of what to do with it. Stop doing garbage collection 'cuz you've got "so much more space" now?
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 21:18 |
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PC Watch posted this: Looks like high end iGPUs (GT4e) died a fiery death. That would also explain the massive delays across Apple's mac product line. Imagine Mr. Ive sitting on his finalized design for a new Retina Macbook Pro thin enough to slice cheese and then learning that he'll have to make room for another 45W chip (dGPU) because that planned GT4e CPU is not going to happen. Coffee Lake looks to be another 14nm design (tock #4?) eames fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Jul 21, 2016 |
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DrDork posted:Stop doing garbage collection 'cuz you've got "so much more space" now? Remember that since the memory is persistent any memory leak in say the kernel won't be solved by restarting the machine. Also stuff like data corruption coupled with application/OS crash also brings their own set of problems.
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 22:19 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I'm not sure what to take from this: Yes, DP Skylake lanes e: Coffee Lake looks to be another 14nm design (tock #4?) also yes, it was also a surprise (lol)
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 22:43 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I'm not sure what to take from this: Kinda curious about Kaby Lake-X since it doesn't seem like a huge difference from the standard -S, just fastest/hottest Kaby Lake and LGA2066 boards? (And presumably for a large price premium) eames posted:PC Watch posted this: As for MBPs you know they'd just be like "gently caress it, GT3e it is" if it comes down to that. It'll be all about those Thunderbolt GPUs from now on anyway
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# ? Jul 21, 2016 22:56 |
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Yeah they must really be having yield issues with that L4 cache... Of course, the most compelling upgrade reason in 3 years and they kill it off. japtor posted:Skylake-X sounds like the usual Xeon EP derived part, so it could be on the CPU...then again there was that big rear end LGA3647 socket shown a while back. It shows Broadwell-E there as "40/28 lanes", how are those laid out, or does it just vary by model/core count? All E5-26XX v4 have 40 lanes/proc, just like Haswell (v3) if that answers your question. SuperDucky fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Jul 21, 2016 |
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I'm excited that it looks like they're finally going to increase the core count on mainstream processors to 6....in 2018.
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SuperDucky posted:Yeah they must really be having yield issues with that L4 cache... I'm going to end up riding my 2500K into the ground, aren't I.
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Krailor posted:I'm excited that it looks like they're finally going to increase the core count on mainstream processors to 6....in 2018. Speaking of core count, I think I'm gonna finally start a PC build and wondering how long I can get away with an i3 (or Pentium I guess?), or should I just spend the extra chunk for an i5 now for the extra cores? Going for something like a low end setup, but I'm hoping has enough longevity at lower settings or with simpler games to last a while.
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japtor posted:Mobile processors! If you plan to play any sort of modern games, an i5 for more cores is definitely the way to go.
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i5+RX470/480/GTX1060 is shaping up to be the way to go this gen, should handle 1080p games with the 480/1060 largely indefinitely? If you plan on holding onto things for 3+ years, a Freesync monitor with the 480 is a combo that Nvidia can't really counter. Also "Oh the Intel thread blew up, must be good news about Kaby Lake!" nope, HMS Boromir is using a crappy monitor.
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Sormus posted:Standard ball mice? Dear sirs, it is trackball or death I actually used one of these, for gaming even, for quite a few years: amazon.com/Logitech-TrackMan-Marble-Wheel-Mac/dp/B00004L8IG Ak Gara posted:I'm glad the clitoris fell out of favour. Those were annoying. Not only is the Trackpoint great, I actually use one of these things (although mine is the US standard keyboard version,) which is kind of like the whole keyboard/wristrest surface area from an old IBM Thinkpad: It's great, it's got a 2-port USB2 hub and combines all the best inputs from a Thinkpad; I use it for any work I have to do on a [otherwise typically] headless system or for newer system builds/rebuilds. The only issue is that since it's over a decade old, Windows 10 installs Synaptic drivers for it (which are just wrong) so the touchpad & Trackpoint stop working until you manually update/revert them (which you only have to do once) but that requires either just using the keyboard & tabbing around, or adding a temporary mouse. blowfish posted:Also, there doesn't exist a trackpad in the world that isn't garbage. Even apple trackpads are merely less garbage, not good. Counterpoint: Google Pixel's glass trackpad. NewFatMike posted:i5+RX470/480/GTX1060 is shaping up to be the way to go this gen, should handle 1080p games with the 480/1060 largely indefinitely? If you plan on holding onto things for 3+ years, a Freesync monitor with the 480 is a combo that Nvidia can't really counter. Yeah, it was slow otherwise in here. I did want to add that part of the reason I was being so insistent is because of my experience with this system: It's a Toshiba Satellite U845W-S400, a weird laptop with a 21:9 display. It's really only ideal for watching widescreen video and side-by-side multitasking, but it's nice because you can easily view wide content, use the whole display (contrasted with my Pixel's nice but 3:2 display,) while keeping the rest of the system very compact and portable. The sticking point is that the resolution is only 1792 x 768, which is fine when watching video but that vertical resolution is pretty limiting, particularly on Windows 10; some of the system windows don't even expect to launch on a display that shallow, so they extend beneath the taskbar. That's why I can't imagine Boromir actually enjoying his 1366x768 display, he's just being too goddamn stubborn about the whole situation.
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Krailor posted:I'm excited that it looks like they're finally going to increase the core count on mainstream processors to 6....in 2018. Why don't they just make each transistor it's own core? 1.7 billion core aaah yeah! ...Games still programmed for 4.
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# ? Jul 22, 2016 04:37 |
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My guess is Kaby Lake-X will be a 5Ghz+ stock chip, while Skylake-X will be 4-4.5Ghz stock. The K-classes, of course, will be the more "affordable" SKUs, as Sky-X will supposedly cost $1500 for the ten-core.
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# ? Jul 22, 2016 06:24 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:My guess is Kaby Lake-X will be a 5Ghz+ stock chip Please don't play with my heart.
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Please don't play with my heart. It makes sense with the quoted TDP on that chart. *shrugs*
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I, too, am also hopeful for a processor that can spit out DX9/11 draw calls like an open fire hydrant. However, I'm not sure I can expect an architecture that's made on a process theoretically more prone to electromigration than its larger predecessors to suddenly be able to handle the voltage needed to push silicon to the highest reliable limit it's ever had before. Yes, I recall the AMD FX-9590.
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Atomizer posted:I actually used one of these, for gaming even, for quite a few years: Man, nothing would make me happier than seeing an updated VAIO P, from the new VAIO company or some other OEM. I know like only 5 people would buy it, but whatever. Hi-res display, modern silicon, macOS (lol. But windows 10 is serviceable), and pocketable. Delightful. The iPad Mini is close, but too deep / narrow.
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Please don't play with my heart. ignore that the other spec details of the rumor don't match
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Back on the ball mouse talk for a bit, I was cleaning out an old clients server room and came across a serial Microsoft mouse new in its bag. I remember getting one of these when I was a kid for my parents IBM 20 (thats what they called it, not sure exactly what it was. It played some DOS games like Treasure Island and Space Invaders like a champ, but the first game to use the mouse itself was Playroom I believe. Man that was old.) Was kinda sad to throw it away as it practically was a piece of history. On the CPU talk. I look forward to the new memory/storage tech, but it looks I will probably be able to hold off on a new PC build until 2018 at the earliest. Even the new Titan X (WTF Nvidia?) sort of disappoints me. Happy I built my system the way I did in 2013 though. However I do so wish AMD could release something to put at least a little competition into the market. These $1500 Enthusiast CPU's are downright stupid as hell.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:It makes sense with the quoted TDP on that chart. *shrugs* japtor posted:It might explain where those 5 ghz Xeon rumors from a while back came from . I was thinking the same thing too though, other than socket for fancier chipset, the only thing that stands out (in that chart at least) is that TDP. After another look and another thought, the difference in power draw between the Kaby Lakes could partially be from a different memory controller, as well as having to interface with the beefier HEDT chipset through the megahuge socket. Kaby Lake-X looks to be projected to run DDR4-2666 standard, which is a step up from KBL-S. This assumes that KBL-X is actually different silicon from the latter, instead of a direct transplant for binned chips to the X platform. Very strange that Intel didn't just go for 4-core Skylake-Xs--could it be related to the statements that 14nm was starting to have great yields and is shipping right now? EDIT: I guess we have to find out if this SKU is supposed to be a design for entry-level consumers or something. Some people justify buying HEDT mobos/CPUs with their desire for extra PCIe lanes from the CPU. Why remove that option just to shoehorn Kaby Lake in there, unless the only goal is the possibility of cost-cutting somehow (and hopefully, price-cutting)? Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jul 22, 2016 |
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Wait, finally looking over that Guru3D link, wtf is with the -X stuff now? Is it just a placeholder or will the same socket be used on both platforms now (or just 1 platform and your CPU decides some of the features directly?) Why change from the tried and true "New Gen Chip" "New - E Gen Chip with delayed name"? While it is partially confusing it will remain a lot less confusing than making everything -X with the same Current/Post naming schemes where the older name is actually the bigger multicore chip and such. Guess we will see as the time gets closer, but still. Confusing.
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X = Extreme Edition. I don't think they're getting rid of the K chips.
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