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I know some people here have run the system with PIP payments, my friend who is very unhealthy and takes a large concoction of anti-psychotic drugs every day has just been turned down in her last assessment. I reckon she might be able to handle a couple of hours a day in some light work, probably like to get out of the house, but what happens now? Is she on the dole and fit for full time work (she totally isn't) . Dont have all the details yet but, I know there is an appeal thing but gently caress. Any advice?
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Get as many testimonials from as many different people as possible, GP, specialists, consultants, case workers, whatever. Compile a timeline of the illness, tie it in to the testimonials. In tribunal, about half a dozen sworn letters from medical professionals seems to be enough to outweigh the one untrained assessor.
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Seaside Loafer posted:I know some people here have run the system with PIP payments, my friend who is very unhealthy and takes a large concoction of anti-psychotic drugs every day has just been turned down in her last assessment. I reckon she might be able to handle a couple of hours a day in some light work, probably like to get out of the house, but what happens now? Is she on the dole and fit for full time work (she totally isn't) . Dont have all the details yet but, I know there is an appeal thing but gently caress. Any advice? For a second I thought you were making a point about prep! Wish your friend luck from me in her appeal
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Aug 2, 2016 14:46
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Prince John posted:I can see the slippery slope argument the NHS are worried about though. The court case seems to have been lost because the NHS ran the argument "we shouldn't do prevention", which is a pretty dumb thing to argue from a public health body and I'm not surprised they lost. Condoms do break and I believe are not 100% effective against preventing STI transmission, so there is an argument to be made that it is possible to provide more effective treatment. Though pushing more responsibility to the NHS for providing even more preventative treatment is not great without a commensurate increase in funding.
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Cerv posted:That's exactly what the high court ruled today though. I don't think anyone's arguing against the validity (moral and legal) of the high court's ruling though, so much as the question of what the NHS should do. I mean, this is the post that prompted it: Prince John posted:I can see the slippery slope argument the NHS are worried about though. The court case seems to have been lost because the NHS ran the argument "we shouldn't do prevention", which is a pretty dumb thing to argue from a public health body and I'm not surprised they lost. I guess it's not clear cut, but I definitely don't read that as "I agree that PrEP shouldn't be considered," yet some of the replies seem to basically be assuming that. quote:edit: no idea what the pill cost when it first came along. Going to be hard to make a fair comparison after so much time isn't it Aside from the cost there's also the massive cultural effect - it's not hyperbolic to call it revolutionary - of the pill which makes it a problematic comparison (I mean, for analogy purposes; I can't imagine that's the sort of thing NICE would or could take into account since it's hardly "clinical").
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Seaside Loafer posted:Dont have all the details yet but, I know there is an appeal thing but gently caress. Any advice? Check out these student volunteers - 95% success rate in challenging 'fit for work' assessments.
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Thanks all, keep em coming if you got em. Will check back when at home.
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Seaside Loafer posted:Thanks all, keep em coming if you got em. Will check back when at home. If your mate is outside London then still look up the local Citizen's Advice, also search to see if you have a local law centre.
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So, in another example of good Buzzfeed/Private Eye journalism, they've reported on Vote Leave giving over half a million to a previously-unknown fashion student. It smells so fishy you'd think you were in Billingsgate. Yes, I know the market has been in Poplar for the past thirty years.
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TinTower posted:So, in another example of good Buzzfeed/Private Eye journalism, they've reported on Vote Leave giving over half a million to a previously-unknown fashion student. What's wrong with someone previously unknown getting paid?
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Breath Ray posted:What's wrong with someone previously unknown getting paid? This lead to me to a Buzzfeed article about a potentially dodgy charity set up by Liam Fox: https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/charity-regulator-writes-to-liam-foxs-military-charity-follo?utm_term=.lmEw95N2x#.yuk8VNM36 quote:In a story published on Sunday, BuzzFeed News revealed that:
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Tesseraction posted:I am aware of this. I suppose I wasn't careful with my wording - when I said 'giving up on an election' I do not mean not contesting it to win, I meant accepting another defeat that I feel is inevitable. I think Labour should fight every election as hard as it can, but I am not optimistic it can win as it is now. I'm more optimistic of its chances after reforms under Corbyn, but what I don't want is hollow ideologues like Smith or, worse, Umunna pulling the party towards whatever's popular at the time. The party should try and capture the hearts of the public, not chase the public's tail. Danczuk and John what's-his-name should get hosed obviously as they've repeatedly tried to screw the party (and children etc.) I also don't see how getting rid of a few troublemakers then magically solves the major problems with the current leadership which are a large part of our current terrible polling. Media strategy etc. etc. We're talking about a possible electoral defeat in 2020 but it could be really loving bad (unprecedented losses) if the current leadership is at the helm and demonstrates the same level of incompetence they have over the past 9 months. Also given they've also now lost so much external support (EAC now disbanded, even Jones saying they're in the poo poo, Murphy too). quote:
quote:Why don't you think Labour can win with Clive Lewis? For another example, this is a good speech by him but he's not there yet in terms of being able to put together a fully coherent narrative and ideas, or presentation: https://youtu.be/DeJQPR0YwnE A few years down the road though. Will be an interesting one to watch. El Grillo fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Aug 2, 2016 |
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Breath Ray posted:What's wrong with someone previously unknown getting paid? They only had £7 million to spend on their campaign so it could be considered a dodgy workaround. Plus that's a LOT of money to give to one guy who was presumably chosen only to combat the stereotypes of Leave voters. Over 9 million was raised for the campaign by random supporters (no, I don't know where the extra 2 million was supposed to go) and if I was one of them, I probably wouldn't want more than 5% of that going to a single individual. Seriously, he made like a million dollars. I am jealous. RobotNinjaHornets posted:Someone at The Guardian has written an article pretending to be a cat Whoever wrote this seems to have created a persona for Larry as the Prince Phillip of cats: """Larry""" posted:I had some delicious caviar when the Russian ambassador last came round, although I’m not sure the plutonium agreed with me. A human being paid for pretending to be a small furry mammal posted:I hear he has a feline called El Gato and I really don’t fancy sharing this gaff. I didn’t vote to leave the EU only to end up with a Spanish housemate. Weldon Pemberton fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Aug 2, 2016 |
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Weldon Pemberton posted:They only had £7 million to spend on their campaign so it could be considered a dodgy workaround. Plus that's a LOT of money to give to one guy who was presumably chosen only to combat the stereotypes of Leave voters. Over 9 million was raised for the campaign by random supporters (no, I don't know where the extra 2 million was supposed to go) and if I was one of them, I probably wouldn't want more than 5% of that going to a single individual. £7m was the maximum amount a campaign was allowed to spend. Dumping the excess on other campaigns is a more-or-less legit use for the excess (I mean legally, not morally) but it sounds a lot like he was just a bagman to get money out to this Canadian company to run a pro-Leave online campaign, which seems a pretty clear breach of the rules. I seriously doubt that the government will make a big stink about it though because of the obvious counter about the HMG-funded pro-Remain leaflets - that was a good £2m of expenditure not paid for by any of the pro-Remain groups right there.
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Weldon Pemberton posted:They only had £7 million to spend on their campaign so it could be considered a dodgy workaround. Plus that's a LOT of money to give to one guy who was presumably chosen only to combat the stereotypes of Leave voters. Over 9 million was raised for the campaign by random supporters (no, I don't know where the extra 2 million was supposed to go) and if I was one of them, I probably wouldn't want more than 5% of that going to a single individual. That guy won the election he's worth every penny
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Also turns out the Economic Advisory Committee met only twice. Blanchflower is not a happy comrade: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/02/i-advised-jeremy-corbyn-economics-team-learn-fast--no-credible-plan-labour-leadership
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El Grillo posted:Also turns out the Economic Advisory Committee met only twice. Blanchflower is not a happy comrade: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/02/i-advised-jeremy-corbyn-economics-team-learn-fast--no-credible-plan-labour-leadership I believe it was meant to meet quarterly. So it should have met maybe three times since Corbyn was elected?
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El Grillo posted:Like the poster above, I'm not so sure as you that these people are unable to get behind an ostensibly left wing platform, with a competent leader at its head m. Is Benn a dyed-in-the-wool Blairite neoliberal type? Genuine question, I don't know. He fell far from the tree, let's put it that way. And the thing is Blair himself has repeatedly said he'd rather lose an election than win on a left-wing agenda. The 'Progress' movement in the Labour Party follow his bidding, hence this chicken coup. They could have the greatest leader in history in charge and they'd still do all they could to undermine him. El Grillo posted:Danczuk and John what's-his-name should get hosed obviously as they've repeatedly tried to screw the party (and children etc.) But the problem is deeper than the leadership and you know that. Corbyn's leadership has been dogged not just by his own unforced errors but by the severe undermining by elements of the PLP. That SNP politician who pointed out that the backbenchers never cheered Corbyn at all when they did for Miliband the whole way through his tenure was an example of subtle but stark lack of support. Removing Corbyn won't remove the assholes. Corbyn's poor leadership didn't create the assholes. The assholes have done, and are still trying to do, anything they can to undermine him. It's not because it's Corbyn and they consider him unelectable, it's because he isn't toeing their party line so they'll make him unelectable. El Grillo posted:What the hell do you think is going to happen if talk of deselections starts though? There's already been trouble in various constituencies, decent MPs who signed no confidence being confronted by interventions at their offices, people yelling incoherently at them. As far as I can see Momentum and a ton of others have now flooded the party even further. It (may very well) be a bloodbath with anyone who doesn't swear allegiance to Jez on the block. There's ways to show grievance with Corbyn without taking part in a blatantly manufactured 'spontaneous' demonstration. El Grillo posted:Clive is awesome but still very politically inexperienced, and not yet polished enough to be a credible leader. His stuff on the progressive alliance shows an element of political naivety he needs to get over I think - I don't believe we'll do well trying to run for a coalition with the SNP (even somewhat covertly) and to be honest I don't think there would be much justification for doing so seeing as we're a party of union (and internationalism, see: EU). We need to be openly fighting them, fighting for the progressive votes within the majority in Scotland who are pro Union. Well yes, I don't expect him to take over immediately. My thought was Corbyn being a hate-sponge for a few years and then sidestepping to allow Clive Lewis to run. Deselections of the biggest tossers should make the nomination process easier to surmount for a left-wing candidate.
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El Grillo posted:You guys are saying JC is just a figurehead right? Well why the gently caress can't he be replaced with someone competent from the left before 2020 then? Someone who's actually able to exert some kind of authority, utilise the media, run a shadow cabinet, etc. Clive or whoever I don't care (we won't win with Clive though). Because there isn't anyone. And because NO leftist can exert authority, utilise the media or run the shadow cabinet. The PLP and the Media hate him because he's trying to bring back leftism, not because JC is so risible to them. THEY WOULD DO THE SAME THING TO ANYONE PUTTING FORWARD LEFTIST POLICIES.
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Breath Ray posted:Isn't it the same thing? They think leftiness of the awkward dishevelled palling round with terrorists type is risible and unelectable  Good thing only one of these people is electable
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Ugh those fuckhammers want me to come in for a disability assessment with a healthcare professional. Is there any way I can either get out of it or tell them I need a home visit? Failing that how do I avoid their catch 22 bullshit where attending one session at great distress means I can definitely go to work every single day?
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El Grillo's concern trolling where he really, honestly cares about leftism and democracy in the Labour party but believes people holding their MPs to account is "accosting them and shouting incoherently at them" is getting really tiresome. Also that paying to join a political party is "flooding them" and it's a bad thing to do. How dare you join that mass-based social movement that asks you to join on their website!
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Seaside Loafer posted:I know some people here have run the system with PIP payments, my friend who is very unhealthy and takes a large concoction of anti-psychotic drugs every day has just been turned down in her last assessment. I reckon she might be able to handle a couple of hours a day in some light work, probably like to get out of the house, but what happens now? Is she on the dole and fit for full time work (she totally isn't) . Dont have all the details yet but, I know there is an appeal thing but gently caress. Any advice? PIP replaced DLA and is totally different to ESA. If she doesn't have a current ESA claim she'll need to claim Universal Credit or JSA. What will happen when she claims JSA or Universal Credit is she'll have an interview with a Work Coach. If she takes medical evidence to this she has several options: She can be signed off work by her doctor and hand in the note for an Extended Period of Sickness. This can be for quite a long time. She can ask for heavy restrictions to be placed on her Claimant Commitment, taking into account her conditions and situation. Claimant Commitments should be individual for everyone, and writing it should involve a detailed discussion of her situation. She doesn't mention anything, the work coach doesn't know any of the history from ESA because those records are on a separate system, and she gets treated as fit for full time work. If she does have a valid ESA claim then it just means she doesn't get money from PIP for her care plan and she should appeal with the help of the CAB or a disability charity.
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El Grillo posted:You guys are saying JC is just a figurehead right? Well why the gently caress can't he be replaced with someone competent from the left before 2020 then? Someone who's actually able to exert some kind of authority, utilise the media, run a shadow cabinet, etc. Clive or whoever I don't care (we won't win with Clive though). Utilise the media? Like Corbyn is just some loving idiot who hasn't pressed the "utilise" button? How do you think the Labour left can get the Murdoch right wing press on side? Are you suggesting bribary? If the media doesn't like someone they don't like someone. Or are you suggesting we throw out all candidates until we find one the media likes? That's a mediacracy. It's not good. The media doesn't like the left. Anyone who is actually left wing will be hated by the media. How is this hard? If the media matters to you so much then your only recourse is to give up on left wing politics and try for the center.
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Mister Adequate posted:Ugh those fuckhammers want me to come in for a disability assessment with a healthcare professional. Is there any way I can either get out of it or tell them I need a home visit? Failing that how do I avoid their catch 22 bullshit where attending one session at great distress means I can definitely go to work every single day? I believe generally the suggestion is to make it clear that you can't attend sessions at will, even if you manage to attend that one. The assessments assume competence based on your best possible days, whereas obviously any job will assume competence based on your worst possible days, so the assessments are stupid.
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OwlFancier posted:I believe generally the suggestion is to make it clear that you can't attend sessions at will, even if you manage to attend that one. I seem to remember someone posting the detailed assessment criteria in here before, with all the points etc. Perhaps that kind soul could post it again?
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Mister Adequate posted:Ugh those fuckhammers want me to come in for a disability assessment with a healthcare professional. Is there any way I can either get out of it or tell them I need a home visit? Failing that how do I avoid their catch 22 bullshit where attending one session at great distress means I can definitely go to work every single day? What sort of condition do you have?
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Regarde Aduck posted:Utilise the media? Like Corbyn is just some loving idiot who hasn't pressed the "utilise" button? How do you think the Labour left can get the Murdoch right wing press on side? Are you suggesting bribary? If the media doesn't like someone they don't like someone. Or are you suggesting we throw out all candidates until we find one the media likes? That's a mediacracy. It's not good. 
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