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Philip Rivers posted:Certain conditions can certainly be linked to specific teratogens, like thalidomide affecting limb development. Also, I don't think arms are structurally able to perform distance running. That's a pretty significant difference if you ask me! Name me one difference between a penis and vagina that stark, and before you jump to childbirth, let me remind you that a person can give birth with zero involvement of a vagina. pretty sure 99% of goons can't perform distance running either but theyre still human (abrely)
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Archer666 posted:Self lubrication Penises can excrete prostatic fluid though. Mange Mite posted:pretty sure 99% of goons can't perform distance running either but theyre still human (abrely) Someone having cardiovascular issues doesn't mean their legs are dysfunctional. Anyway I'm sure you know this as a biology person, but for everyone else, humans are actually the best species in the animal kingdom at distance running. Once humans developed throwing weapons like spears, they would hunt by wounding an animal and just chasing after it until the animal couldn't run anymore. Distance running is actually kind of a huge deal in human anatomy. Philip Rivers fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Aug 18, 2016 |
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Aug 18, 2016 19:43
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Philip Rivers posted:Penises can excrete prostatic fluid though. your criterion was "capable of distance running" and functionally speaking they definitely are not jus tlike your weird functional dodge around "giving birth" and again, you're falling back on the whole designed purpose thing.
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Aug 18, 2016 19:44
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Mange Mite posted:your criterion was "capable of distance running" and functionally speaking they definitely are not pretty sure you're doing the weird functional dodge by going 'bbbbut GOONS can't do X!' not to comment on the argument in general
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Aug 18, 2016 19:46
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DrowningInDreams posted:I'm actually in a dark night of the soul right now I just wanted to double check and derail this thread further thanks if you can influence probabilities then how are you broke as poo poo? you should be a billionaire if you can influence odds unless there is some convenient wizard code to not personally profit by casting spells on horses or dice or is it something like goat blood and chicken bones are not allowed in the casinos in your area?
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Robot Pride posted:if you can influence probabilities then how are you broke as poo poo? It's that I'm new to the whole thing and bad at it. I've made like a dollar in bitcoin poker freerolls though.
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curious lump posted:they arent Considering that you seem to be prone with settling up your insecurities with ultraviolence, i'm going to say that it's very likely your opinion on which you're speaking of is very uneducated.
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DrowningInDreams posted:It's that I'm new to the whole thing and bad at it. gently caress off to a therapy session
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Aug 18, 2016 19:50
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Mange Mite posted:your criterion was "capable of distance running" and functionally speaking they definitely are not I'm asking what the difference between a penis and a vagina is, not what the difference between the entire male and female reproductive system. If the vagina being partially involved in childbirth but not actually essential at all is the best difference you can come up with then I don't think you really have much of a position to argue from.
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How much is being trans a part of your day to day life? Like, how often do you think about it on a day to day basis?
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Aug 18, 2016 19:51
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Philip Rivers posted:Someone having cardiovascular issues doesn't mean their legs are dysfunctional. Anyway I'm sure you know this as a biology person, but for everyone else, humans are actually the best species in the animal kingdom at distance running. Once humans developed throwing weapons like spears, they would hunt by wounding an animal and just chasing after it until the animal couldn't run anymore. Distance running is actually kind of a huge deal in human anatomy. again, much of this is sort of woolly narratives and wishful thinking, not hard science. in reality, there's thousands of different things that can make someone incapable of distance running, and none of them have any relevance in terms of what makes a person human or what makes a leg a leg. also you're getting the persistence hunting thing wrong - persistence hunting is when you just chase after the animal until it overheats and falls over. it doesn't actually require any tools at all, that's what makes it unusual.
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Poetic Justice posted:How much is being trans a part of your day to day life? Like, how often do you think about it on a day to day basis? If I don't go outside that day, I forget about it until I go to shower/sleep/poo poo. Basically the times I end up seeing my dick. If I go outside, it ranges from casual reminders to dominates my train of thought, depending on where I am going and what I am doing. In comfortable settings, I forget about it.
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Philip Rivers posted:I'm asking what the difference between a penis and a vagina is, not what the difference between the entire male and female reproductive system. If the vagina being partially involved in childbirth but not actually essential at all is the best difference you can come up with then I don't think you really have much of a position to argue from. it's not essential the same way a heart is not actually essential for life because we have heart-lung machines, or an anus is not essential because we can surgically make a stoma. also im not arguing anything, that's you
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Mange Mite posted:it's not essential the same way a heart is not actually essential for life because we have heart-lung machines, or an anus is not essential because we can surgically make a stoma. They don't make a stomach out of your rear end in a top hat tissues nor a breathing machine out of your heart tissues. They make a vagina out of penile tissues, and vise versa.
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Mange Mite posted:again, much of this is sort of woolly narratives and wishful thinking, not hard science. in reality, there's thousands of different things that can make someone incapable of distance running, and none of them have any relevance in terms of what makes a person human or what makes a leg a leg. Sorry about the inaccuracy there, but point being, humans can perform persistence hunting largely because of the anatomy of human legs. And look, I'm not trying to essentialize the human body, but you still haven't provided a convincing argument as to why a typically developed human leg, in a statistical sense, is more similar to a typically developed human arm than a typically developed penis/vagina. What about this is woolly or wishful?
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Tonetta posted:They don't make a stomach out of your rear end in a top hat tissues nor a breathing machine out of your heart tissues. They make a vagina out of penile tissues, and vise versa. acutally you can make a stomach out of your rectum just fine. in fact, those tissues are far more similar than what you're describing.
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At what stage in personal relationships (both friendship and romantic) do you tend to tell people that you're trans? In the case of friendship, do you feel compelled to make anything of it at all?
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Philip Rivers posted:Sorry about the inaccuracy there, but point being, humans can perform persistence hunting largely because of the anatomy of human legs. And look, I'm not trying to essentialize the human body, but you still haven't provided a convincing argument as to why a typically developed human leg, in a statistical sense, is more similar to a typically developed human arm than a typically developed penis/vagina. What about this is woolly or wishful? there's no statistical way to make that comparison. that's not really how statistics work. you are presenting these weird romanticized concepts about mythic cave men and complex tasks like distance running, but can't think of any sort of funcitonal difference between a penis and a vagina? and what's "typically developed"? is intersex "typically developed"?
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it seems incredibly disingenuous to say a vaginal canal is not (biologically) needed for childbirth because we have the benefit of advanced medicine
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dicks jizz but pussies just pissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
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im gaye posted:it seems incredibly disingenuous to say a vaginal canal is not (biologically) needed for childbirth because we have the benefit of advanced medicine Lets get butts into this as well since you don't need a butt to be able to poop anymore.
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Mange Mite posted:there's no statistical way to make that comparison. that's not really how statistics work. I can think of a number of functional differences between a penis and a vagina. My argument is that penises and vaginas are a) more similar to each other than they are different, and b) more similar to one another than an arm is similar to a leg. What's romanticized about arguing that arms aren't designed for distance running, and that the ability to facilitate distance running is more significant of a difference between arms and legs than any difference between a penis and a vagina?
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can i ask why you guys are arguing about how similar a penis and vagina are? because if they are similar then trans is more legit or... ? e: like, what I'm getting it, what does it matter when both organs come from the same embryonic cells to begin with anyway?
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sorry wtf is the point of this discussion about arms and legs and vaginas and penises? i forget
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Philip Rivers posted:Blanchard's trans dichotomy is really gross/misogynistic/queerphobic and not real science. The argument more or less goes like, 'homosexual' (read: straight) trans women are driven to transition by their all-consuming dicklust/man-worship, and 'autogynephilic' (read: queer) trans women are gross and ugly perverts (JMB actually argues that queer trans women are uglier than straight trans women) because why would a man ever want to be a woman if it wasn't for another man's pleasure? By this logic they must be transitioning for the sake of pleasing their own dicks. It's a trashy and transparent anti-trans meme and I wish it would go away forever. Also it ignores that trans men exist entirely so it can't possibly be a valid description of transness. The existence of autogynephilic transgenderism is well attested to in the scientific literature, although I am aware that there is at least some small subset of trans activists who attack the science behind it. Which seems problematic to me given that there are many transwomen who self-identity as autogynephilic transsexuals and whose existences are effectively erased by the often hyperbolic attacks against psychological research and researchers.
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Philip Rivers posted:I can think of a number of functional differences between a penis and a vagina. My argument is that penises and vaginas are a) more similar to each other than they are different, and b) more similar to one another than an arm is similar to a leg. What's romanticized about arguing that arms aren't designed for distance running, and that the ability to facilitate distance running is more significant of a difference between arms and legs than any difference between a penis and a vagina? it's absolutely not though and i think most neutral people will agree? in terms of structure there's a lot more weird specialized tissue types in a vagina vs. a penis, whereas an arm and a leg are literally the same poo poo in different order. saying distance running is the purpose of a leg is just sort of silly. and again, arms aren't designed for anything the human body isn't designed at all (unless you are an intelligent design guy in which case we can talk)
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Moridin920 posted:can i ask why you guys are arguing about how similar a penis and vagina are? I really don't know why the conversation is happening but I assume it's because people with inside out peni or vagina can't make babies or some poo poo
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seems like if i want to surgically attach a dick to my head i don't really care it's 'biologically authentic' or not what's the point of science if we can't become masters of nature lol
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Moridin920 posted:can i ask why you guys are arguing about how similar a penis and vagina are? it started with the proclamation that essentially you could not differentiate between a penis and a vagina or at least any differentiation was purely arbitrary another poster attempted to make the statement seem absurd by using that rationale for arms and legs
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i feel like once they are fully developed you can tell the difference and here's an easy low hanging fruit no one mentioned: the clitoris is the only human organ with the sole function of giving pleasure. the penis is not that, plus it has half the nerve endings. they are different, although both developed from the same type of embryonic cells but so what
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I love my Orkin Mang.
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Moridin920 posted:i feel like once they are fully developed you can tell the difference and here's an easy low hanging fruit no one mentioned: What does the glans do besides provide pleasure, though? Legit question.
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Philip Rivers posted:What does the glans do besides provide pleasure, though? Legit question. They help make cummies happen
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Philip Rivers posted:What does the glans do besides provide pleasure, though? Legit question. it attaches the foreskin, which functions to make jews muslims and internet weirdos extremely angry
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Philip Rivers posted:What does the glans do besides provide pleasure, though? Legit question. it is the terminal point of the dick duh
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Philip Rivers posted:What does the glans do besides provide pleasure, though? Legit question. Also I don't think the clitoris is an organ but maybe I failed biology for a reason.
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it's an organ it's a set of specialized tissues serving a common function, that's all an organ is Philip Rivers posted:What does the glans do besides provide pleasure, though? Legit question. it's designed to better get sperm to where it is going (also potentially to scoop out rival sperm but that's kinda speculative imo), but the clit has no reproductive function other than to provide pleasure
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Moridin920 posted:it's designed to better get sperm to where it is going, but the clit has no reproductive function other than to provide pleasure Can you explain how this works?
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the human glans and indeed the whole human penis is actually extremely distinctive and unusual in the animal kingdom. I think having a big fat cockhead and shaft is in fact far more essentially human than distance running.
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