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So Politics Home has some more plans from the PLP about life after the coup. Long story short, they want more than 100 labour MPs to join the Co-operative party. They think this will allow them to co-ordinate regular rebellions against the Labour leadership, have their own whips, try and form their own shadow cabinet and essentially be a 'party within a party'. They also claim it will offer them protection against being deselected, although I'm not sure how that works? Naturally taking over the co-operative party in order to use it for their own ends is not to be considered 'entryism'. Only plebs do that. e: 127AD, The philosopher Carpocrates rejects ownership of private property as being un-Christian.
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I forgot they British bombs don't kill civilians.
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Aug 21, 2016 10:33
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Gonzo McFee posted:I forgot they British bombs don't kill civilians. I forgot that stroking your 'anti-imperialist' e-peen while the Syrians merrily do just that was the height of new left morality.
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Aug 21, 2016 10:38
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Tesseraction posted:Liberty would like a word.
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Aug 21, 2016 10:40
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:I forgot that stroking your 'anti-imperialist' e-peen while the Syrians merrily do just that was the height of new left morality. How's adding British bombs to the mix helping?
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Aug 21, 2016 10:41
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Gonzo McFee posted:How's adding British bombs to the mix helping? How many of his own people should a dictator be allowed to gas to death before anti-imperialists intervene?
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Aug 21, 2016 10:44
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Gonzo McFee posted:Shut the gently caress up, Pissflaps. Shut the gently caress up, Gonzo if all you're going to do is engage with Pissflaps. Seriously. gently caress off. jabby posted:So Politics Home has some more plans from the PLP about life after the coup. Oh wow. That's funny. The poor Co-op Party.
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Zephro posted:UKIP is a better example. They've never been in power and now their signature policy is government policy, at least in theory And it only took them 25 years of howling in the wilderness!
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Aug 21, 2016 10:45
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:How many of his own people should a dictator be allowed to gas to death before anti-imperialists intervene? How are a couple of british planes that are not even attacking his forces hurting Assad again?
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Aug 21, 2016 10:46
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Zephro posted:UKIP is a better example. They've never been in power and now their signature policy is government policy, at least in theory I look forward to the revelation of the secret Corbynites among the Tory ranks.
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Aug 21, 2016 10:48
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Last time I checked, British air-strikes in Syria weren't killing anyone. We were sending four little planes just drop explosives on scarred, empty patches of desert that had previously been oil-fields before huge American strategic bomber wings had rolled through. I'm not sure we've even used the glorious, almighty BRIMSTONE yet.
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Aug 21, 2016 10:53
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LemonDrizzle posted:I look forward to the revelation of the secret Corbynites among the Tory ranks. I don't think it's much of a secret that many Tories are delighted with Corbyn as Labour leader.
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Aug 21, 2016 10:54
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:How many of his own people should a dictator be allowed to gas to death before anti-imperialists intervene? To do what, exactly? To stabilise Syria you'd need a huge influx of ground troops and peace keeping forces in order to keep the peace long enough for a stable democracy to form. And the troops would need to be there for decades. A venture that would cost trillions and end up being incredibly unpopular within five years. Bombing campaigns isn't that. It's the Foreign policy equivalent of trying to put out a fire by adding more wood.
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:And it only took them 25 years of howling in the wilderness! 25 years to create a monumental change from nothing is no small achievement.
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forkboy84 posted:Oh wow. That's funny. The poor Co-op Party. Stella Creasy, Luciana Berger, Garerth Thomas and ex-MP Ed Balls might likely welcome with open arms the rebels fleeing the socialist campaign group though. Won't be an entry its takeover when they already are in agreement on the party's right flank
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:How many of his own people should a dictator be allowed to gas to death before anti-imperialists intervene? All of them. Also why does it have to be a "he". Are you saying a woman wouldn't be up to the job?
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Gonzo McFee posted:To do what, exactly? That said, the Americans have shown that a big enough and well-coordinated enough bombing campaign to support local troops can work wonders. The SDF are basically waltzing through IS territory at the moment. Our problem is that our military's just too weedy to let us meaningfully contribute to that.
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Aug 21, 2016 10:59
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Gonzo McFee posted:Hilary Benn: A story in two tweets The UK never bombed Aleppo.
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Kurtofan posted:The UK never bombed Aleppo. He knows that. The tweeter knows that. It's using an image of a child from a war zone as a proxy to attack those who would seek to remove Corbyn. It's revolting.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Hilary Benn: A story in two tweets Come now, the UK would never bomb innocent civilians, because we have super accurate missiles that magically turn everyone they hit into a combatant.
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Aug 21, 2016 11:53
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Pissflaps posted:He knows that. The tweeter knows that. Hilary Benn made a passionate speech endorsing bombing that would have done similar to civilians. I don't know why you continue to play dumb. Edit: Hell, the Iraq war did do similar to possibly over a million civilians. Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Aug 21, 2016 |
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Aug 21, 2016 12:15
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The method would let them avoid deselection because coop runs joint candidates under the Labour banner.
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Aug 21, 2016 12:20
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Gonzo McFee posted:Hilary Benn made a passionate speech endorsing bombing that would have done similar to civilians. I don't know why you continue to play dumb. He endorsed bombing ISIS - as do I. This is like blaming him for a train derailment in Italy because he supports HS2. It's disingenuous as gently caress.
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Aug 21, 2016 12:23
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Pissflaps posted:He endorsed bombing ISIS - as do I. Not when it was pointed out that bombing ISIS would result in large amounts of civilian casualties, as was at the time.
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Aug 21, 2016 12:28
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Pissflaps posted:He endorsed bombing ISIS - as do I. Generally, everyone endorses only doing bad things to the bad people but mysteriously we keep doing it to bystanders too.
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Flaps loving loves Blair and his soft right policies
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Aug 21, 2016 12:32
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Just to be clear I believe that ISIS needs to be completely wiped out but I don't believe you achieve that via bombing that would result in civilian deaths. Especially when civilian deaths from bombing runs boost recruitment to ISIS. Beating back ISIS and various other fascist regimes would take a huge commitment of forces from all over the UN, a transfer of huge amounts of wealth to the region, protected nationalisation of basic institutions such as healthcare and natural resources and decades of peacekeeping to ensure that none of this can happen again. Problem with that being is that nobody would really stand to gain anything out of it financially and it would become deeply unpopular very quickly, so I don't see it happening. Sending bombers in would do little to change anything in the long run other than making people feel like they've done something even if all that something is is damage.
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Aug 21, 2016 12:40
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OwlFancier posted:Generally, everyone endorses only doing bad things to the bad people but mysteriously we keep doing it to bystanders too. How many civilian deaths have been caused by British air attacks on IS in Syria? How many civilians have been killed by IS in Syria?
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Namtab posted:Flaps loving loves Blair and his soft right policies A lot of people loved Blair: the guy knew how to win elections, leading to policies like Tax Credits being put in place that Corbynites credit Jeremy with 'saving'. Blair has achieved more for the poor in this country than Corbyn ever will. Legislation trumps hashtags.
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Aug 21, 2016 12:44
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Pissflaps posted:How many civilian deaths have been caused by British air attacks on IS in Syria? Bonus question how many deaths have been caused by IS due to the coalition invading and then completely failing Iraq.
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Pissflaps posted:A lot of people loved Blair: the guy knew how to win elections, leading to policies like Tax Credits being put in place that Corbynites credit Jeremy with 'saving'. if only he didn't kill all those people
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Pissflaps posted:How many civilian deaths have been caused by British air attacks on IS in Syria? Nobody bothers to check.
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OwlFancier posted:Nobody bothers to check. thats because we know its zero because theyre british bombs and ipso facto they dont blow up civilians its really very simple
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Pissflaps posted:A lot of people loved Blair: the guy knew how to win elections, leading to policies like Tax Credits being put in place that Corbynites credit Jeremy with 'saving'. Quoting flaps only to show that he supports a war criminal
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Tony Blair's government did a lot of good but a lot of that good was quickly undone and the negatives seem to be here to stay. Other than the minimum wage, which twenty years later everyone seems to have agreed didn't go far enough. And if Syria wasn't in a state of civil war I imagine that Tony Blair would be providing Assad's PR.
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Pissflaps posted:How many civilian deaths have been caused by British air attacks on IS in Syria? You must know that we're deliberately not counting this. You must also know that the government position of "We're not counting, but there have been exactly zero casualties because our bombs are so smart" is not logically consistent, or in line with expectations from other bombing campaigns. There's nothing disingenuous about making sure a politician advocating an urban bombing campaign understands the inevitable consequences of their actions. Just because this child happened to be hit by a Russian or Syrian explosion doesn't invalidate the point. Humanising a statistic is a valid tactic.
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Somebody who calls for targeted British strikes against ISIS does not have their argument invalidated by pictures of the consequences of Russian attacks on civilian areas.
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Prince John posted:You must know that we're deliberately not counting this. just think, if the government for some reason decided to bomb middlesbrough pissflaps would be an enemy combatant
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Jose posted:just think, if the government for some reason decided to bomb middlesbrough pissflaps would be an enemy combatant If that happens I'll really have egg on my face wow.
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