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Like a kickstarter or something?
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 20:57 |
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# ? Apr 28, 2024 03:35 |
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pretty sure the government is currently refusing various forms of aid on the grounds that it definitely isn't needed, so probably not e: plus food might be a more pressing concern in the near future, that country is hosed
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 21:00 |
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the glorious island of Tropico has no need for your foreign devilry
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 21:03 |
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Venezuelans: PM me your address! This butthole tyranny will not stand!
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 21:13 |
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I haven't been following the news so don't know why the charitable effort is necessary. What dirty butthole producing shenanigans has venezuela gotten themselves into this time?
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 21:17 |
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someone buy me some marmite
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 21:24 |
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Moon Atari posted:I haven't been following the news so don't know why the charitable effort is necessary. What dirty butthole producing shenanigans has venezuela gotten themselves into this time? Communism.
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 21:38 |
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The assholes of freedom run red with the blood of patriots
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 21:44 |
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gently caress em
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 21:45 |
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I thought they needed beer
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 21:48 |
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hey, hands off the market. it's busy correcting for surplus population.
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 21:48 |
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I'll do it, but only if the TP has American flags printed on it
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 22:09 |
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Arian_Samurai posted:I'll do it, but only if the TP has American flags printed on it this is actually a great way of making sure it gets to the people.
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 22:16 |
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I have just the thing to send.
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 22:18 |
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Moon Atari posted:I haven't been following the news so don't know why the charitable effort is necessary. What dirty butthole producing shenanigans has venezuela gotten themselves into this time? the short of it is their state income is heavily dependent on oil exports and OPEC tanked the market from like $80/barrel down to like $20/barrel and Venezuela's state is now unable to pay for all their communist stuff apparently in Venezuela the means of rear end wiping are controlled by the state also, quote:The National Superintendency of Fair Prices has reportedly instituted a policy of fining bakeries that allow lines to stretch out their front doors, according to PanAmPost. The head of this particular bureaucracy, William Contreras, claims the lines aren't a true indicator of a severe shortage of bread, but rather, a political "strategy of generating anxiety."
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 22:20 |
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all this in a country that once had one of the highest living standards in South America Chavez was crazy like a fox, but Maduro just seems crazy. Theres something seriously wrong with your economy if your citizens are lining up at the border to buy basic supplies from stores in neighboring economic powerhouse Colombia
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 22:30 |
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Mr. 47 posted:Like a kickstarter or something? Depends on the quality of toilet paper and the amount and I am very sure you have no idea what you are talking about.
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 22:34 |
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Anthrovore posted:Chavez was crazy like a fox, but Maduro just seems crazy. Theres something seriously wrong with your economy if your citizens are lining up at the border to buy basic supplies from stores in neighboring economic powerhouse Colombia Yeah it's kind of a mess being made way worse by the 'true believers' (I can only assume) in power.
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 22:37 |
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Anthrovore posted:all this in a country that once had one of the highest living standards in South America The only reason it wasn't like this during Chavez was oil prices. Turns out socialism doesn't work, a surprise to no one who has a functioning brain.
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 22:44 |
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tsa posted:The only reason it wasn't like this during Chavez was oil prices. Turns out socialism doesn't work, a surprise to no one who has a functioning brain.
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 22:50 |
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tsa posted:The only reason it wasn't like this during Chavez was oil prices. Turns out socialism doesn't work, a surprise to no one who has a functioning brain. that's kind of a weird argument. you admit it worked okay under Chavez with high oil prices, but X happened and it collapsed so therefore it doesn't work. Well... the number of capitalist societies that have undergone radical upheaval and collapse because of a financial crisis is much greater than the number of socialist ones. As if the USA has never had bread lines lol. Doesn't suddenly mean free market mechanics in their entirety are bunk.
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 22:55 |
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Please save your valuable American dollars for your closer, better Socialist neighbors, Canada! When our housing bubble pops, which it may or may not be in the process of doing right now, we're super hosed Not "no toilet paper" hosed, but 1st World, don't-have-the-new-iPhone hosed
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 22:56 |
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Professor Shark posted:Please save your valuable American dollars for your closer, better Socialist neighbors, Canada!
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 23:01 |
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Send Venezuelans bitcoin, that will surely help the situation.
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 23:02 |
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ded posted:I have just the thing to send. Venezuela is a bit behind the latest fashion and they much prefer Obama branded toilet paper
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 23:04 |
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Moridin920 posted:Yeah it's kind of a mess being made way worse by the 'true believers' (I can only assume) in power. nah, the people at the top are corrupt and have basically been running the country as a gigantic foreign exchange scam for years. i don't think most of them give a poo poo about ideology, they just want to loot the country and live like royalty.
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 23:28 |
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:nah, the people at the top are corrupt and have basically been running the country as a gigantic foreign exchange scam for years. i don't think most of them give a poo poo about ideology, they just want to loot the country and live like royalty. Seems like it'd be in their best interest to not have it all collapse out from under them then but yeah you're prolly right.
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 23:30 |
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lol you can loot the country and then hire some lowlifes in Europe and immigrate on an entrepreneur visa and live the rest of your days in peace if anything terrible happens
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 23:33 |
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Professor Shark posted:Please save your valuable American dollars for your closer, better Socialist neighbors, Canada! I have a sneaking suspicion that the student loan bubble will destroy us first.
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 23:38 |
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Moridin920 posted:that's kind of a weird argument. you admit it worked okay under Chavez with high oil prices, but X happened and it collapsed so therefore it doesn't work. I can address this: communism needs to fulfill 100% of the economy's needs to succeed in its stated goals whereas in capitalism the only need is for one agent to exist from year to year to keep the economy "going" in communism, if one person dies, that's failure but in capitalism you can kill anybody and anything and it's a valid economic action, as long as the economy is extant
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# ? Aug 24, 2016 00:50 |
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dookifex_maximus posted:I can address this: communism needs to fulfill 100% of the economy's needs to succeed in its stated goals whereas in capitalism the only need is for one agent to exist from year to year to keep the economy "going" and yet capitalism is more successful than communism even when you measure both by the communist standard?
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# ? Aug 24, 2016 01:36 |
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Better red, then dead.
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# ? Aug 24, 2016 02:11 |
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dookifex_maximus posted:I can address this: communism needs to fulfill 100% of the economy's needs to succeed in its stated goals whereas in capitalism the only need is for one agent to exist from year to year to keep the economy "going" yeah sure but there's no reason we can't borrow some things and have socialized healthcare and also a free market for other things it's getting too extreme on either end that gets you into trouble
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# ? Aug 24, 2016 02:20 |
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anyways the problem in Venezuela isn't that they were communists, it's that Chavez was a stupid communist For years they had state-enforced, below market prices for lots of basic staples. Flour & corn, eggs, toilet paper, you name it. When oil was high and the bolivar was more valuable than their neighbor's money, what this meant was that all their own local farmers were driven out of business by imports. Venezuela's home economy literally goes to weeds as farmers and toilet paper-makers all abandon their jobs to move to the city and get their kids into the shiny new state-supported schools. A middle class supported by nothing but state oil revenue appears from thin air. Then oil crashes, the bolivar goes with it, and suddenly all the flour were buying from Columbia, the eggs from Cuba, and toilet paper from the US is 5 times as expensive. But Chavez (and later Maduro) don't raise the prices you're allowed to sell for! So if you run a venezuelan grocery store, you will be losing money if you stock anything on your shelves. Naturally, nobody orders anything and the shelves go bare. The only time flour and TP are in evidence is when some party stooge forces the issue. If you are a baker, you have to decide between making bread from 75% sawdust or just abandoning your business and move to the countryside where they can't find you. Meanwhile the government is printing extra money to pay the salaries of all the civil servants and oil workers, so heavy inflation begins to take hold. The real prices (ie black market prices) for staples shoot up into the stratosphere, the currency loses value even faster because everyone knows it's worthless. if you are a communist dictator, your one job is to avoid re-creating a bad Ayn Rand book about the evils of communism.
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# ? Aug 24, 2016 02:32 |
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LGD posted:e: plus food might be a more pressing concern in the near future, that country is hosed isn't it a tropical wonderland that you can just walk into the forest and get a banana or parrot or something edible
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# ? Aug 24, 2016 02:35 |
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Can't they just tear down the rainforest instead of wasting my time?
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# ? Aug 24, 2016 03:22 |
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:nah, the people at the top are corrupt and have basically been running the country as a gigantic foreign exchange scam for years. i don't think most of them give a poo poo about ideology, they just want to loot the country and live like royalty. Case in point, I remember for like a year plus after Chavez died, his daughters refused to move from the presidential palace to let Maduro move in. they apparently threw wild parties constantly oh and also they are somehow rich as gently caress. from totally legitimate means, no doubt. victory to the proletariat
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# ? Aug 24, 2016 03:28 |
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You can support the Venezuelan economy by buying videogames. http://store.steampowered.com/app/447530 The devs tried coming up to the states pre-release for a conference of some sort and the government decided they were a flight risk.
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# ? Aug 24, 2016 03:30 |
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Volcott posted:You can support the Venezuelan economy by buying videogames. what in the world
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# ? Aug 24, 2016 03:36 |
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# ? Apr 28, 2024 03:35 |
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When i was in a peace group like 12 years ago a couple people from Ven came and talked about how great the country was and how good Chavez was and stuff, acting like none of us had the internet
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# ? Aug 24, 2016 03:43 |